socialist Posted March 1, 2015 Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 I simply don't get it. People for some reason think kids need to learn how to perform the boring algorithms for the four operations. Kids need to learn multiple ways to solve questions in order to really understand mathematics. When you focus on the boring and resort to drill and kill, you have kids who tune out and end up hating math. Again today, there is an alarmist article from the Toronto Sun. Now the Sun is in no way a credible news source. It just goes to show you how little conservatives know about anything. 95 % of the comments had me laughing out loud. The sad thing is that there are so many people out there who have no clue about math. Thank goodness we have educational experts and consultants who don't cave in to people who have no clue what 21st century math is. What a ridiculous article full of empty rhetoric. http://www.torontosun.com/2015/02/28/you-do-the-math----because-our-kids-cant?token=dc7cbf1e8e370eac229421432b03653a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusThermopyle Posted March 1, 2015 Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 I was educated in the old way. The way that according to you doesn't work. I'm willing to bet that I would trounce you soundly if we were both tested. Not only in math but the sciences as well. So, with your oh so superior understanding and my stone age education how could this possibly be? Whats interesting is the fact that Manitoba has come to its senses and are dropping the discovery method as it plainly doesn't work. What will you do when Ontario regains some sanity and actually decides we should educate kids properly? Will you be the maverick who refuses to teach the curriculum because you suck at math? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash74 Posted March 1, 2015 Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/canadas-math-woes-are-adding-up/article17226537/ We have talked about this before. 21st century math has been lacking for those that feel common sense might also be needed. As much as you may despise people not having to walk around with a cell phone or doing simple math in their heads it is a necessary skill like reading. People do not understand why we are sticking with something that is not working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted March 1, 2015 Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 2+2=4 ....... what really needs to be discovered about that? In higher math that might be a good idea, but the basics are rote taught. Why? Because mathmeticians have already established the basics of math. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socialist Posted March 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2015 I was educated in the old way. The way that according to you doesn't work. I'm willing to bet that I would trounce you soundly if we were both tested. Not only in math but the sciences as well. So, with your oh so superior understanding and my stone age education how could this possibly be? Whats interesting is the fact that Manitoba has come to its senses and are dropping the discovery method as it plainly doesn't work. What will you do when Ontario regains some sanity and actually decides we should educate kids properly? Will you be the maverick who refuses to teach the curriculum because you suck at math? So you were educated the old way doing mountains of useless long division questions. I just finished an EDCHAT using 21st Century technology (you are likely unfamiliar) and I spoke with a few teachers from Manitoba. Again, you are misinformed. Manitoba did not drop the discovery method. They added a few minor words to the curriculum. Kids are still for the majority expected to develop their own multiple strategies for solving math problems. They still use Discovery method textbooks. You obviously don't have the facts and you obviously happened been in a school since the 70s. Well, I have news for you. What gave people the illusion of working in the 70s doesn't work in the 21st century. And gosthacked wants to go back to drill and kill rote memorization. Gost, you would be ridiculed if you suggested that a math PD day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 2+2=4 ....... what really needs to be discovered about that? In higher math that might be a good idea, but the basics are rote taught. Why? Because mathmeticians have already established the basics of math.The basics aren't rote taught and never have been. Teachers have always used examples by combining objects or whatever. It's more important for students to understand how the numbers relate than to just remember formulas through rote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash74 Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 (edited) From the CBC........... http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/manitoba-math-classes-going-back-to-the-basics-1.1324793 Sounds like more than a few minor words. http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/09/13/frustrated-professors-convince-schools-to-step-back-from-new-math-and-go-back-to-basics/ http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/teachers-concerned-about-declining-math-scores/article15815304/ Three news articles from three different sources. None from the Toronto Sun. Something is going wrong. The biggest problem with people in the academics is with all their education they just can t admit when they are wrong Edited March 2, 2015 by Ash74 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socialist Posted March 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 From the CBC........... http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/manitoba-math-classes-going-back-to-the-basics-1.1324793 Sounds like more than a few minor words. http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/09/13/frustrated-professors-convince-schools-to-step-back-from-new-math-and-go-back-to-basics/ http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/teachers-concerned-about-declining-math-scores/article15815304/ Three news articles from three different sources. None from the Toronto Sun. Something is going wrong. The biggest problem with people in the academics is with all their education they just can t admit when they are wrong A very small vocal minority who don't understand 21st century education are stirring a pot that doesn't exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socialist Posted March 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 The basics aren't rote taught and never have been. Teachers have always used examples by combining objects or whatever. It's more important for students to understand how the numbers relate than to just remember formulas through rote. Using different coloured blocks and shapes to perform algebra is the norm now, even in early high school. Many uninformed people, like gost and angus and ash think math is 3+3 and 5x4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash74 Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 Using different coloured blocks and shapes to perform algebra is the norm now, even in early high school. Many uninformed people, like gost and angus and ash think math is 3+3 and 5x4. Least we can answer those questions. According to the article posted today's learners cant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socialist Posted March 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 Least we can answer those questions. According to the article posted today's learners cant I don't know what;s more disappointing.The fact that uou don't understand 21st century learning, or the fact that you think an article in the Sun is reliable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LemonPureLeaf Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 I dont understand what is wrong with the normal math. It worked fine. Aren't npeople just changing it for the sake of changing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderfish Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 I don't know what;s more disappointing.The fact that uou don't understand 21st century learning, or the fact that you think an article in the Sun is reliable. Does 21st century learning include the use of improper spelling, punctuation, and grammar? I'll take the old way, at least I can spell. The entertainment value I get from reading your posts is invaluable, keep it up genius. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusThermopyle Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 Using different coloured blocks and shapes to perform algebra is the norm now, even in early high school. Many uninformed people, like gost and angus and ash think math is 3+3 and 5x4. In fact I would say you are the one who thinks that. I'm pretty sure most of us think Trig and Calculus and so on are math. What you cite as an example is more akin to sandbox math. Something you apparently have some trouble with if one is to believe your own statements pertaining to this subject. Sure, coloured blocks. I can just see the reaction from my boss if he told me about some spec changes and I started pulling out coloured blocks in order to arrive at the incorrect answer. I'd be on the unemployment line so fast my feet wouldn't touch the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poochy Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 I simply don't get it. People for some reason think kids need to learn how to perform the boring algorithms for the four operations. Kids need to learn multiple ways to solve questions in order to really understand mathematics. When you focus on the boring and resort to drill and kill, you have kids who tune out and end up hating math. Again today, there is an alarmist article from the Toronto Sun. Now the Sun is in no way a credible news source. It just goes to show you how little conservatives know about anything. 95 % of the comments had me laughing out loud. The sad thing is that there are so many people out there who have no clue about math. Thank goodness we have educational experts and consultants who don't cave in to people who have no clue what 21st century math is. What a ridiculous article full of empty rhetoric. http://www.torontosun.com/2015/02/28/you-do-the-math----because-our-kids-cant?token=dc7cbf1e8e370eac229421432b03653a This seems a little familiar, btw you dont need any of the bullshit found in the discovery method to understand math. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 Using different coloured blocks and shapes to perform algebra is the norm now, even in early high school. Many uninformed people, like gost and angus and ash think math is 3+3 and 5x4. Math IS 3x3 and the like. However this is the basic, fundamental math. The building blocks of all other math if you wish. And when it comes to engineering and constructing a house, would you go with what is tried and true? Or would you prefer to discover how to build a house on your own? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusThermopyle Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 Math IS 3x3 and the like. However this is the basic, fundamental math. The building blocks of all other math if you wish. And when it comes to engineering and constructing a house, would you go with what is tried and true? Or would you prefer to discover how to build a house on your own? I think I'd just use different coloured blocks to build it with. Maybe some nice shapes too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash74 Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 (edited) I don't know what;s more disappointing.The fact that uou don't understand 21st century learning, or the fact that you think an article in the Sun is reliable. The three articles I left were from other news sources including the beloved CBC. But I know you wont little things like facts stand in your way Edited March 2, 2015 by Ash74 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 I think I'd just use different coloured blocks to build it with. Maybe some nice shapes too. The Architech might design something cool. The structural engineer will tell you if it will work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LemonPureLeaf Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 The Architech what does this mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remiel Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 Why is socialist so committed to trolling us on this topic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LemonPureLeaf Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 Why is socialist so committed to trolling us on this topic? Excellent question. I'll be sure to pass it along to him. It makes no sense to me but he must have his reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keepitsimple Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 Using different coloured blocks and shapes to perform algebra is the norm now, even in early high school. Many uninformed people, like gost and angus and ash think math is 3+3 and 5x4. Sorry Socialist, you poor fellow. You've failed to enumerate the many other posters who quite frankly, think you are completely out to lunch, lost in some socialist groupthink. Anyone here support Socialist's views on his "21st century" math? Anyone at all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty AC Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 (edited) With traditional methods of teaching, math students could do problems presented to them but had little understanding of the concepts behind the computations and difficulty identifying math concepts in the real world. Several nations tweaked the math curriculum to address these issues and improve math literacy skills. Problem identification skills and the understanding of math concepts improved while computation on timed tests has declined. As is the norm for implementing new programs, this one isn't yet perfect and needs more tweaking, but that is an on going process for every single subject. Though, one that always has a frustratingly high number of obstacles. Education is always a political issue and as such opportunists seek to use it for political gain. The public in general also tends to be partial to educational methods they experienced. As such there will always be those pushing to implement research backed pedagogy countered by those that seek political gain by selling "traditional" methods to people like us. Unfortunately, this slowing of progress in education has led to a disconnect between how the system is structured and the needs of our modern economy. There are several revolutionary, structural improvements and solutions available however, the push back from the politically ambitious and regular people like us ensures that progress in perpetually inadequate. Edited March 2, 2015 by Mighty AC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted March 2, 2015 Report Share Posted March 2, 2015 (edited) I hire teenagers, they have no idea about math or even grammar. Now my grammar is not that good but I am old school. But I can do math without a calculator. Teachers are to worried fighting for them selves then worry about the kids. Edited March 2, 2015 by PIK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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