drummindiver Posted April 3, 2015 Report Posted April 3, 2015 (edited) bill-c-51-the-good-the-bad-and-the-truly-ugly/ Everything hinges on the concept of 'lawful,'" Forcese and Roach wrote in a backgrounder posted online. "Unlawful conduct does, of course, include blockades. It also reaches workplace strikes inconsistent with labour law and street protests lacking the proper regulatory permits. Put another way, unlawful does not mean criminal. It just means without lawful authority." We don't ask for permission/permits to hold protests. Nobody can tell citizens when they can/can't protest. Thus ANY street protest is 'unlawful' by nature. If C-51 passes as is, all protesters are immediately 'unlawful', all protest is immediately criminalized, and all participants are subject to the Anti-terror Act - detention, search, seizure, arrest, incarceration, interrogation for 7 days. The detention/incarceration of over 1000 people at the Toronto G20 was not legal and is currently the subject of a class action suit. Under C-51, incarcerating peaceful protesters for a week of interrogation becomes routine, with no legal recourse. . Jacee, you agreed with what happened in Caledonia. Why was that ok? You want to have the legal right to burn police cars and damage people's life work, but damn, walk down a public funded road in Ontario? How dare they!!! What a crock of hypocritical blather. With you lot, it's ok when the Libs are doing it. And this isn't conjecture of what they MAY do, but of what they have done. You believe Harper's version can be any worse than this? I highly doubt it. Edited April 3, 2015 by drummindiver Quote
drummindiver Posted April 3, 2015 Report Posted April 3, 2015 There may be some in crowds of thousands who aren't entirely peaceful. Are we all to be punished for that? Over a thousand people were severely punished for the actions of others at the G20. There may be times when assembly means blocking a street, road, access, facility, business, etc (EG labour strike). . What she means is there may be times when the Natives want to hold people hostage to their demands. Which Jacee approves of. Quote
drummindiver Posted April 3, 2015 Report Posted April 3, 2015 Injustice. What's your badge number please? . Except when applied to Caucasian citizens of Ontario. Quote
drummindiver Posted April 3, 2015 Report Posted April 3, 2015 How very patronizing. A clue ... Only when CSIS/Harper decide they may be doing something illegal. And you can bet they will 'decide' that everything they do is legal so there will be no oversight at all. Exactly. Exactly ...we do seem to agree that better oversight of CSIS/Harper's actions is necessary, but ... better oversight of CSIS/Harper is NOT going to happen. Harper has spoken. The dictatorship is in place with secret police to enforce his will against all dissent, all of his enemies (and he has no friends), with no public oversight. Now he just has to rig an election ... or cancel it for secret reasons of 'national security'. Wait for it ... . lol. Wow. So now we are into conspiracy to rig an election. Paranoid much? Quote
drummindiver Posted April 3, 2015 Report Posted April 3, 2015 The terrorists want to kill you. The terrorists want to kill you. The terrorists want to kill you. The terrorists want to kill you. The terrorists want to kill you. Finally, this guy wrote something I agree with. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted April 3, 2015 Report Posted April 3, 2015 lol. Wow. So now we are into conspiracy to rig an election. Paranoid much? Its not called paranoid, its called Robocalls. Quote
jacee Posted April 3, 2015 Report Posted April 3, 2015 Your post is quite a jumble and doesn't make much sense. The reason for opposing Bill C51 is it includes peaceful but unlawful protest - eg walking in the street - as terrorist acts. Ridiculous, right? And that's one of the changes proposed: 'protest' won't be a terrorist act. Makes sense, right? Jacee, you agreed with what happened in Caledonia. Why was that ok?The illegal act was the province and municipality approving a development on disputed land without consulting with Six Nations or accommodating their rights.The police held the line because there were rights on both sides.You will notice that since they blocked that development, governments and businesses are now scrambling to 'consult and accommodate' Aboriginal people's rights before proceeding. The protest was very successful in forcing govs and business to follow the law instead of breaking the law. You want to have the legal right to burn police cars I do?!? That's pretty ridiculous thing for you to say. That was an unrelated criminal act in Toronto and the person went to jail. It certainly had nothing to do with me. Do you and damage people's life work People damage their own life's work if they try to evade Aboriginal rights., but damn, walk down a public funded road in Ontario? How dare they!!! What a crock of hypocritical blather. Oh you're talking about that idiot ... well ... idiots will be idiots. With you lot, it's ok when the Libs are doing it. No it wasn't ok the way McGuinty handled it. And this isn't conjecture of what they MAY do, but of what they have done. You believe Harper's version can be any worse than this? I highly doubt it. See this partisan drivel is where you lose me. Libs and Cons are all the same to me. Convoluted drivel ... waste of space. Quote
Keepitsimple Posted April 3, 2015 Author Report Posted April 3, 2015 Its not called paranoid, its called Robocalls. Another deep-thinking comment from the Sallow One. Quote Back to Basics
drummindiver Posted April 3, 2015 Report Posted April 3, 2015 So anything popular is ipso facto morally correct? So no violent revolutions to overthrow dictators then. OK. That doesn't really make much sense. Dude, you are living in a democratically elected, well, democracy. If you want to get all radical and violent and overthrow the "Man", you are going against what the majority of ppl want. You do understand what dictators are, right? We are talking Canada here, right? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted April 3, 2015 Report Posted April 3, 2015 Another deep-thinking comment from the Sallow One. You must not be paying very close attention if you didnt get the Robocalls story. Quote
eyeball Posted April 3, 2015 Report Posted April 3, 2015 Finally, this guy wrote something I agree with. The only disagreement is why terrorists want to kill you. They should take their cue from Harper but of course we'd need to wear uniforms so they could tell us lefties from you righties. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
drummindiver Posted April 3, 2015 Report Posted April 3, 2015 I hope the GTA votes against Harper but I have my doubts and therefore it will be another 4 longgggggggggggggg years. I hope the GTA votes against Libs and all their thieving but no, another 4 longgggggggggggggggggggggggggggg years. Quote
jacee Posted April 3, 2015 Report Posted April 3, 2015 What she means is there may be times when the Natives want to hold people hostage to their demands. Which Jacee approves of. Unions block access too and that's been accepted for decades. Is Harper going to arrest all striking workers as 'terrorists'? When Indigenous People's block access, it's because they have legal rights on the land that haven't been addressed. There's a question of legal rights on both sides best decided by the courts, not by CSIS thugs detaining and interrogating people as terrorists. . Quote
drummindiver Posted April 3, 2015 Report Posted April 3, 2015 Its not called paranoid, its called Robocalls. lol. For which he went to jail for. And he acted alone.How many criminal investigations underway right now against the Libs? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted April 3, 2015 Report Posted April 3, 2015 lol. For which he went to jail for. And he acted alone.How many criminal investigations underway right now against the Libs? If you actually believe he acted alone you must really like the taste of kool aid. Quote
drummindiver Posted April 3, 2015 Report Posted April 3, 2015 Unions block access too and that's been accepted for decades. Is Harper going to arrest all striking workers as 'terrorists'? When Indigenous People's block access, it's because they have legal rights on the land that haven't been addressed. There's a question of legal rights on both sides best decided by the courts, not by CSIS thugs detaining and interrogating people as terrorists. . Unions are not allowed to block access. http://www.servicecanada.gc.ca/eng/ei/digest/8_6_0.shtml Native ppl blocked publicly funded roads in Caledonia. The police did not allow protesters to march on public roads. Again, you want your rights when you want them, but you don't want them applied to others. Yeah, drivel to you. And you call Harper a dictator. Quote
drummindiver Posted April 3, 2015 Report Posted April 3, 2015 (edited) If you actually believe he acted alone you must really like the taste of kool aid. It was proven in court. Why, do you have inside information the rest of the world doesn't? There was never any proof, whatsoever, that anyone else was involved. Edited April 3, 2015 by drummindiver Quote
jacee Posted April 3, 2015 Report Posted April 3, 2015 lol. For which he went to jail for. And he acted alone. ya right. :/ Quote
dre Posted April 3, 2015 Report Posted April 3, 2015 Wow we welcome a culture that covers faces because it feels they are sexually provocative then in the next breath cry about repressive laws as to terrorists. Talk about a disconnect. We dont "welcome it". We accept that personal liberty allows people to do some thing we might not personally agree with, and we accept the principle that people can make their own choices - even bad ones - as long as they dont damage others. The only disconnect is between you and basic logic and common sense. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
On Guard for Thee Posted April 3, 2015 Report Posted April 3, 2015 It was proven in court. Why, do you have inside information the rest of the world doesn't? It was not proven in court. The presiding judge even stated as much. There just wast enough evidence available to lay any more charges. Thats a big difference. Again, be careful of the koolaid. Quote
drummindiver Posted April 3, 2015 Report Posted April 3, 2015 It was not proven in court. The presiding judge even stated as much. There just wast enough evidence available to lay any more charges. Thats a big difference. Again, be careful of the koolaid. Exactly. There was never any proof. He said/she said. Quote
drummindiver Posted April 3, 2015 Report Posted April 3, 2015 Unions block access too and that's been accepted for decades. Is Harper going to arrest all striking workers as 'terrorists'? . If union workers are blocking access they are breaking the law. This means they should be arrested. I don't imagine they would be arrested as terrorists, but I'm sure you would try to put that sort of spin on it. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted April 3, 2015 Report Posted April 3, 2015 Exactly. There was never any proof. He said/she said. It was not prove in court that he acted alone is what I was trying to point out. No realistic thinker, including judge (Mosley) would conclude one kid pulled this off by himself. Evidence can be tricky though...recall the OJ trial. Quote
drummindiver Posted April 3, 2015 Report Posted April 3, 2015 The only disagreement is why terrorists want to kill you. They should take their cue from Harper but of course we'd need to wear uniforms so they could tell us lefties from you righties. What sort of nonsensical reply is this? You think I have done something to warrant a terrorist wanting to kill me? Don't know what you've done if your conscience is bothering you to the point that you believe terrorists are warranted in their desire to kill anybody. Quote
Keepitsimple Posted April 3, 2015 Author Report Posted April 3, 2015 It was not prove in court that he acted alone is what I was trying to point out. No realistic thinker, including judge (Mosley) would conclude one kid pulled this off by himself. Evidence can be tricky though...recall the OJ trial. You've been flogging that dead horse for over a year now.....the opposition parties moved on a long time ago. I feel for you though - they call it cognitive dissonance - repeating things so often that you really start to believe them. Better stick with the Duffy trial - surely there's a conspiracy for you that reaches all the way to Harper......hope you're not too disappointed! Quote Back to Basics
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