C-51 RCMP/Harper Anti-fossil fuels lobby = Terrorism?

Black Dog · March 11, 2015

So again explain how telling the truth is racist.

I've explained at length why your construct of "good=white/bad=not-white" is racist.

So I'm only allowed to criticize someone if they are white? Is that what you're saying? As I say I am not a white person myself so who am I being racist against exactly?

Why do think your skin colour protects you from being racist? After all:

Of course we have racists, we'll always have racists. Oh and btw racists aren't exclusively white either. Just so you know. We have racist Blacks, racist Natives, racist Latinos, racist Orientals....etc...

Most of the Muslims are non white people so it just makes sense that we scrutinize people who are non white when it comes to keeping Canadians safe from Muslim terrorism. The people who flew the planes into the WTC were non white. The people who killed cartoonists in Paris were non white. So I don't see how targeting non brown people would be more helpful in catching terrorists.

So, as an allegedly non-white person, you'd be cool with being detained, questioned, probed, whatever simply because you aren't white?

It just makes sense that we target the people of the race which the majority of the Muslim terrorists belong. I don't see how this is racist? So if anyone can explain it to me please do. I'm listening.

Because "brown" isn't a race.

Edited March 11, 2015 by Black Dog

LemonPureLeaf · March 11, 2015

I've explained at length why your construct of "good=white/bad=not-white" is racist.

. I have never said that white is good and non white is bad.

The terrorists who flew planes into the WTC, ISIS leadership, jihadi john, toronto 18, boko haram, somali terrorists are/were non white people.

I said that the majority of Muslim terrorists are non white or brown people. Sooooo....in order to stop a terrorist act the police would be better served scrutinizing the non white person who is a Muslim.

Anyone who would target white people instead...well...let's just say I'm glad they're not in charge of our security.

LemonPureLeaf · March 11, 2015

Oh and just today a brown Pakistani Muslim tried to blow up the US consulate in Toronto. So again, we need stronger tools to help the services to do their jobs.

guyser · March 11, 2015

Oh and just today a brown Pakistani Muslim tried to blow up the US consulate in Toronto. So again, we need stronger tools to help the services to do their jobs.

This is funny and it goes right over the heads of those who spout support for this. Defies logic...not to mention brains, but there you go.

The police , RCMP and CBSA find out about this guy, undercover cop deals with him, gets info, idiot gets arrested and faces deportation.

Then the sky is falling righties scream 'we need stronger tools to help the services to do their jobs."

The cops did their job yet they need more. :blink: :blink:

Moronic.....but thats been par for the course for ages now.

LemonPureLeaf · March 11, 2015

In trial right now a brown Muslim tried to derail a VIA rail train to try and kill as many as possible in a foiled terror plot.

These Muslim terrorists are seemingly everywhere. We don't know how many more terrorism plots are not being caught. At some point the brown Muslim terrorist is going to succeed and carry out a successful terrorism action and many Canadians will be dead.

I wonder if the left wing here will go to the dead peoples families and tell them that the terrorists are victims too.

Edited March 11, 2015 by LemonPureLeaf

guyser · March 11, 2015

In trial right now a brown Muslim tried to derail a VIA rail train to try and kill as many as possible in a foiled terror plot.

DId the white one get away?

I wonder if the left wing here will go to the dead peoples families and tell them that the terrorists are victims too.

No, we leave stupidity to righties who have no clue and no brains.

PIK · March 12, 2015

Cy , did he say because she was a lesbian or because she is totally incompetent.

On Guard for Thee · March 12, 2015

Oh and just today a brown Pakistani Muslim tried to blow up the US consulate in Toronto. So again, we need stronger tools to help the services to do their jobs.

Oh, and since it was just today, which part of C 51 did they need or use in this bust. A little logic often goes a long way.

LemonPureLeaf · March 12, 2015

Oh, and since it was just today, which part of C 51 did they need or use in this bust. A little logic often goes a long way.

The problem is that without c51 the different agencies aren't allowed to share information.

That's a serious problem. We don't know how many more people like this are out there. Instead of competing we need the agencies working together which us what the new bill helps to do.

Black Dog · March 12, 2015

The problem is that without c51 the different agencies aren't allowed to share information.

That's a serious problem. We don't know how many more people like this are out there. Instead of competing we need the agencies working together which us what the new bill helps to do.

False. If CISIS had intel that there was a imminent bomb plot, for example, I'm betting they could share that with the RCMP. Or, to use one real world example, CSIS and the RCMP share information with agencies like CATSA to help inform things like the "No-Fly List".

The issue with C51 is the extent to which it expands existing information sharing powers without meaningful oversight and based on the incredibly broad concept of "activities that undermine the security of Canada."

I continue to be baffled by conservatives who don' trust the government to properly manage their tax dollars are willing to give the government a virtual carte blanche to collect and share personal information with the expectation that those powers not be abused.

Edited March 12, 2015 by Black Dog

On Guard for Thee · March 12, 2015

The problem is that without c51 the different agencies aren't allowed to share information.

That's a serious problem. We don't know how many more people like this are out there. Instead of competing we need the agencies working together which us what the new bill helps to do.

Once again, this guy has been detained and will likely be deported under existing laws. Throwing away our right to privacy etc., over some imagined threat is where the tin hat aspect of this thing comes in. Anyway the AFN have weighed in at the hearings and it sounds like they have a bunch of different avenues for challenging this bill in the courts.

http://www.netnewsledger.com/2015/03/12/afn-national-chief-bellegarde-withdraw-bill-c-51-anti-terrorism-legislation/

cybercoma · March 13, 2015

Cy , did he say because she was a lesbian or because she is totally incompetent.

She has far more qualifications than he does.

PIK · March 13, 2015

I don't care what they do to find these idiots out there. I have nothing to hide.

jacee · March 13, 2015

I don't care what they do to find these idiots out there. I have nothing to hide.

Keep in mind that if passed, the provisions in c51 will be in effect for all future governments.

When E May is PM, for example, she will go after stockholders investors tax cheats overseas hidden money ... All kinds of mighty righties who are failing to contribute their fair share and thus. " interfering with the economic security of Canada"

Always have to think about the ways laws can be used by your ,enemies, if they ever gain power.

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Edited March 13, 2015 by jacee

jacee · March 16, 2015

Whoops! The UN is going to be on Harper's enemy list now! Probably already was.

un-backs-divestment-campaign-paris-summit-fossil-fuels

LemonPureLeaf · March 16, 2015

C51 will allow for the different "policing" agencies to share information which isn't allowed under current rules.

This bill will give "police" much stronger tools in order to do their jobs. We cannot expect them to do the jobs we demand of them if we handcuff them continuously. The bad guys are out there. We need a strong united front in order to stop them.

Its alarming how many folks out there are actually supporting bill c51. Canadians really understand what it is and how important it really is.

We mustn't listen to those who would like to make is afraid and instead look at what's going on around us everyday. We have Al queda, Al Shabab and ISIS all wanting to destroy us and our way of life. We must resist such thinking and detain those who think like this. These ideas are dangerous.

jacee · March 18, 2015

Support was 82% (without knowing much about it)

Now 45% (Now that we know what's in it)

And dropping.

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Edited March 18, 2015 by jacee

jacee · April 22, 2015

The anti-fossil fuels lobby has good reason to exist:

/first-nations-cancer-linked-oil-sands-toxins-wild-food-study

The new scientific study states the region's "country food" contains elevated levels of toxic metals and carcinogens, that members of the Mikisew Cree and Athabasca Chipewyan First Nations traditionally eat.

But recent fears that oil sands pollution is contaminating the food, has led fewer people to eat it.

The research was partly funded by Health Canada and reviewed by federal scientists.

The wild foods include: moose, ratroot, duck, wild mint, spruce gum, pickerel, caribou, and Labrador tea. Fish are no longer eaten from the Athabasca River, due to government health warnings.

The study reveals these foods contained elevated levels of heavy metals and carcinogens, and that nearly a quarter of the Aboriginal participants -- 23 out of 94 -- had cancer, among other ailments.

But no one is blowing anything up in Canada. Who's going to give the oil boys that satisfaction!

And if Harper thinks he can suppress freedom of speech by treating legitimate protesters as terrorists ... well ... he can be replaced.

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GostHacked · April 22, 2015

We mustn't listen to those who would like to make is afraid and instead look at what's going on around us everyday.

You are right, because the ones that are telling us to be afraid are leading our government, which you tow the line to the T here.

We have Al queda, Al Shabab and ISIS all wanting to destroy us and our way of life. We must resist such thinking and detain those who think like this. These ideas are dangerous.

Regurgitated garbage. Not an original thought you have presented that we collectively have not shot down time and time again. Say, who do you work for?

LemonPureLeaf · May 3, 2015

You are right, because the ones that are telling us to be afraid are leading our government, which you tow the line to the T here.

Regurgitated garbage. Not an original thought you have presented that we collectively have not shot down time and time again. Say, who do you work for?

Bottom line is that our government is trying to help everyday middle of the road Canadians. Doing this by not allowing the seemingly unemployed protester from flowing down commerce and productivity of the rest of us who choose to do something with our lives.

It's obvious that the Islamists are trying their very best to destroy our way of life.

jacee · May 3, 2015

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Lemon Pure Leaf is hilarious.

Just toe that party line LPL!

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Edited May 3, 2015 by jacee

LemonPureLeaf · May 4, 2015

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Lemon Pure Leaf is hilarious.

Just toe that party line LPL!

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Please explain yourself here.

On Guard for Thee · May 4, 2015

C51 will allow for the different "policing" agencies to share information which isn't allowed under current rules.

This bill will give "police" much stronger tools in order to do their jobs. We cannot expect them to do the jobs we demand of them if we handcuff them continuously. The bad guys are out there. We need a strong united front in order to stop them.

Its alarming how many folks out there are actually supporting bill c51. Canadians really understand what it is and how important it really is.

We mustn't listen to those who would like to make is afraid and instead look at what's going on around us everyday. We have Al queda, Al Shabab and ISIS all wanting to destroy us and our way of life. We must resist such thinking and detain those who think like this. These ideas are dangerous.

The bad guys are getting caught under current laws without us having to give up our privacy. Even the police themselves speak out that they dont need this bill, but rather the funding restored that Harper took away. I guess if you buy into the fearmongering Harper likes to tout then you will support this bill, but will you also bitch about the waste of taxpayer money as it goes to the SCC to be struck down as has already happened to so many of his junk legislations.

LemonPureLeaf · May 4, 2015

The bad guys are getting caught under current laws without us having to give up our privacy. Even the police themselves speak out that they dont need this bill, but rather the funding restored that Harper took away. I guess if you buy into the fearmongering Harper likes to tout then you will support this bill, but will you also bitch about the waste of taxpayer money as it goes to the SCC to be struck down as has already happened to so many of his junk legislations.

It isn't about me listening to Harper,as you put it,as it is using my own skills of observation.

Do you not see what Muslims are doing across Europe? It's disgusting. They're beating non believers, murdering people, victimixing Jews in France routinely...plus many more examples.

This isn't made up in my mind. These are acts which are readily searchable on Google.

We don't want this type of behaviour in Canada. We mustn't allow political correctness to dictate our policies as a country.

On Guard for Thee · May 4, 2015

It isn't about me listening to Harper,as you put it,as it is using my own skills of observation.

Do you not see what Muslims are doing across Europe? It's disgusting. They're beating non believers, murdering people, victimixing Jews in France routinely...plus many more examples.

This isn't made up in my mind. These are acts which are readily searchable on Google.

We don't want this type of behaviour in Canada. We mustn't allow political correctness to dictate our policies as a country.

Let me repeat the point you seem to have (conveniently) missed, current laws are sufficient. No need to put our freedoms or privacy at risk for a set of laws that many experts have deemed to be ineffective. As has been pointed out many times here, support for the bill plummets as people actually assess it.