Dealing With Putin

[Smallc]

It was intentional, but not on the part of the media.

[GostHacked]

It was intentional, but not on the part of the media.

The media put it forth without questioning it. They were complicit in it, since they did not vet the information.

[Smallc]

The media put it forth without questioning it. They were complicit in it, since they did not vet the information.

The media won't question without an actual reason to question. At that time, they didn't have one.

[GostHacked]

The media won't question without an actual reason to question. At that time, they didn't have one.

Then it is utter incompetence or deliberate. Either way, the main stream media sucks.

[Smallc]

Then it is utter incompetence or deliberate. Either way, the main stream media sucks.

The job of the media is to report. They can only report that which they have from verified sources. Iraq wasn't the fault of the media.

[GostHacked]

The job of the media is to report. They can only report that which they have from verified sources. Iraq wasn't the fault of the media.

The verified sources turned out to be completely bogus. One of the perpetrators was Cheney's main man, Louis Libby.

They new the yellocake was all fabrication. But used it anyways.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/04/international/europe/04italy.html

The information about Iraq's desire to acquire the ore, known as yellowcake, was used by the Bush administration to help justify the invasion of Iraq, notably by President Bush in his State of the Union address in January 2003. But the information was later revealed to have been based on forgeries.

The documents were the basis for sending a former diplomat, Joseph C. Wilson IV, on a fact-finding mission to Niger that eventually exploded into an inquiry that led to the indictment and resignation last week of Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, I. Lewis Libby.

http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,463779,00.html

Is a fib really a fib if the teller is unaware that he is uttering an untruth? That question appears to be the basis of the White House defense, having now admitted a falsehood in President Bush's claim, in his State of the Union address, that Iraq had tried to buy uranium in Africa. But that defense is under mounting pressure from a variety of sources claiming that the White House could not have been unaware that the claim was false, because it had been checked out — and debunked — by U.S. intelligence a year before the President repeated it.

So, the White House is not contesting the fact that the President made a false claim — merely whether he, or those who prepared his speech, knew at the time that it was false. And holding the line forces White House press secretary Ari Fleischer into a rhetorical dance that can only be called Clintonesque: conceding on the one hand that the claim made by the President was based on forged evidence that Iraq had tried to buy "yellow cake" refined uranium from Niger, but at the same time maintaining that "I see nothing that goes broader that would indicate that there was no basis to the President's broader statement."

Edited April 6, 2015 by GostHacked

[Smallc]

Why would you report on something if you can't verify the sources?

The government was the source. That isn't auestioned without some justification, nor, IMO, should it be.

[GostHacked]

The government was the source. That isn't auestioned without some justification, nor, IMO, should it be.

That's all the more reason to question it.

[Smallc]

That's all the more reason to question it.

Based on what, exactly? Something that some guy said on in the internet?

[GostHacked]

Based on what, exactly? Something that some guy said on in the internet?

One should always question authority. I'll use the anti-terror C-51 bill as an example of that. If we did NOT question it.......

[Smallc]

One should always question authority. I'll use the anti-terror C-51 bill as an example of that. If we did NOT question it.......

You aren't the media. The media can't make things up just because. They ask questions based on what info is available.

[GostHacked]

You aren't the media. The media can't make things up just because. They ask questions based on what info is available.

No, I am a Canadian Citizen. And the only way to keep the government in check is to question all of it. You put too much trust in government to do the right thing in our name.

[Smallc]

No, I am a Canadian Citizen. And the only way to keep the government in check is to question all of it. You put too much trust in government to do the right thing in our name.

It's not wrong for private citizens to question for reasons that don't matter. It is wrong for the media to do things without some basis for it. There's a certain amount of integrity involved.

[GostHacked]

It's not wrong for private citizens to question for reasons that don't matter. It is wrong for the media to do things without some basis for it. There's a certain amount of integrity involved.

Integrity has not been there in decades. Unless you verify things for yourself, you are still trusting authority to give you the proper information.

[Smallc]

Integrity has not been there in decades. Unless you verify things for yourself, you are still trusting authority to give you the proper information.

If not authority then who?

[Argus]

Then it is utter incompetence or deliberate. Either way, the main stream media sucks.

It's still light years beyond what you'll find from the likes of globalresearch.

[Big Guy]

So the Toronto Symphony Orchestra has dropped performances by international Ukrainian pianist Valentina Lisitsa because of her anti-Kiev tweets. The person who was to replace her, quit because he claims to have been bullied.

Looks like not all Ukrainians support Kiev in the war still going on there.

I guess that it is time for that Euromaidan Revolution to face the music.

Edited April 8, 2015 by Big Guy

[Je suis Omar]

The job of the media is to report. They can only report that which they have from verified sources. Iraq wasn't the fault of the media.

You've got the narrative down pat, smallc. Move up to bigc.

[Je suis Omar]

If not authority then who?

The actual historical record which has shown that GostHacked is dead on in his assessment and that you are somewhere downtown having lunch, smallc.

"We Americans are the ultimate innocents. We are forever desperate to believe that this time the government is telling us the truth."

Sydney Schanberg

[Je suis Omar]

It's still light years beyond what you'll find from the likes of globalresearch.

But Mr Posts Economics and Statistics never does what he so loudly proclaims in his every posting, Argus. How can one be expected to believe such an obvious charlatan? Edited April 8, 2015 by Je suis Omar

[Argus]

So the Toronto Symphony Orchestra has dropped performances by international Ukrainian pianist Valentina Lisitsa because of her anti-Kiev tweets. The person who was to replace her, quit because he claims to have been bullied.

Looks like not all Ukrainians support Kiev in the war still going on there.

I guess that it is time for that Euromaidan Revolution to face the music.

From what I've gleaned, she's a Russian fascist who admires Putin.

Maybe you and her could meet up. It looks like you two view the world in a similar sort of way.

[Big Guy]

Despite the simple minded who chose to use art as a political tool, intelligent people have risen above the stupidity that continues to plague the situation in Eastern Ukraine. Ms Listista will be performing in Calgary in June;

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/ukrainian-pianist-barred-from-toronto-symphony-to-play-in-calgary-1.2316947

Looks like the adults are still in control.

[Je suis Omar]

From what I've gleaned, she's a Russian fascist who admires Putin.

We noticed how it is that you go about gleaning, A. Repeating memes is actually a great method of gleaning. Glean away!!

[Big Guy]

Due to a critical backlash, the TSO is reviewing their decision but Valentina has given up and is planning a free concert somewhere else in Toronto. This TSO decision has raised many eyebrows in the arts community.

Will we now censor paintings from artists whose politics we do not agree with?

This was a mistake by the TSO on the management level and they will suffer for it.

[Big Guy]

Looks like time for the world to recognize that Crimea is part of Russia and that Ukrainian borders have changed permanently. France is anxious to recreate relationships with Russia and French politicians have already started the process;

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/french-lawmakers-visit-to-crimea-outrages-ukrainian-french-officials-394225.html

These silly and useless "sanctions" that some countries have put on Russia have backfired. They have negatively impacted Canadian beef prices as Russia has stopped importing Canadian Beef in retaliation. These sanctions have really hurt Putin personally: his popularity has gone from 80% to 90%. Boy, did we show him!!!!

Time for Canada to drop these silly sanctions and join the growing lines of countries wanting to expand trade with Russia. With our economy looking like we are going into another recession we need all the economic benefits we can get.