PIK Posted February 10, 2015 Report Posted February 10, 2015 I heard she is running against oliver. And she was poached, she did not cross the floor. Who started the original meetings? Did she call them with info for a job or did they call her first. She will fit right ion with the liberals. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
On Guard for Thee Posted February 10, 2015 Report Posted February 10, 2015 If you listen to her press briefing or read her comments in the paper, then yep, she crossed the floor. Quote
PIK Posted February 10, 2015 Report Posted February 10, 2015 But read the papers and the liberals have been talking to her for a few weeks. And I did not know that micheal sona was her aide. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Boges Posted February 10, 2015 Report Posted February 10, 2015 I heard she lied to Harper about her relationship with the Soudas guy. She had a meeting with Harper asking to be allowed to run again and that her relationship with him was done. Quote
Big Guy Posted February 10, 2015 Author Report Posted February 10, 2015 Today it was verified that Eve intends to run against Oliver. Running against the current Finance Minister, notwithstanding that he won the last time by only 4,000 votes, could be questionable. She does have to earn the nomination and will probably run against income splitting - perceived as OIiver's decision. Well, it looks like the anti-Eve talking points have been distributed; Turncoat, out-of-control, dodgy tactics, blind ambition, a woman "scorned", too good looking to be smart, etc. More to come. Oh - watching TV coverage - a Conservative spokesperson implied that Eve had something to do with those robocalls and Michael Sona. I think they will have to be careful about the Sona thing since the PMO has been selling him as a solo, rogue, overenthusiastic and misguided Conservative campaign worker. But - am looking forward to future attempts to demean her credibility. Ain't politics fun? Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Argus Posted February 10, 2015 Report Posted February 10, 2015 (edited) Well if shes a liar, she certainly learned at the feet of a master. How so? Harper has been more honest than most of the politicians I've known. Far from perfect, of course, but certainly above the mean. Mind you, that's not a very high bar. Andrew Coyne savages Trudeau's performance in welcoming her, calling it a 'crawlingly demeaning performance' and basically saying Trudeau has proved he's a weasel, and thus fit for politics. But it was not Ms. Adams who was called upon to deliver the day’s most crawlingly demeaning performance. That honour was reserved for Justin Trudeau. Ms. Adams, after all, was desperate. Mr. Trudeau had a choice. That he chose to receive her, not with a shrug of “hey, a seat’s a seat,” but in the same spirit of feigned high-mindedness, proves beyond a doubt his fitness for the rigours of high office. Not many would be capable of declaring, with a face that betrayed not a hint of the gut-emptying shame that roiled within, how “impressed” he had been in recent weeks with Ms. Adams’ “commitment to public service.” In a particularly painful flourish, the Liberal leader paid tribute to the amount of “soul-searching” she must have gone through before taking such a momentous decision. http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/02/09/andrew-coyne-justin-trudeau-delivers-a-crawlingly-demeaning-performance-while-welcoming-eve-adams/ Edited February 10, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
overthere Posted February 10, 2015 Report Posted February 10, 2015 Andrew Coyne- who has serially beat up on every party and every leader at every opportunity- has this to say today about Adams and Trudeau: http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/02/09/andrew-coyne-justin-trudeau-delivers-a-crawlingly-demeaning-performance-while-welcoming-eve-adams/ The url title gives a hint of what is to come. The chief ingredient for success in Canadian politics, it is every day more apparent, is a bottomless capacity for self-humiliation. Some jobs require an ability to do things that other people can’t do. Politics more often entails a willingness to do things other people won’t do — usually because it would be too hideously embarrassing. Consider — just as a for instance — the case of Eve Adams, the newly defected Liberal Member of Parliament for Mississauga-Brampton South. The script for these events calls for the defector to say something like “I didn’t leave the party, the party left me.” In this case, oddly, it happens to be true. The Conservative party had been trying to put as much distance as it could between itself and Ms. Adams ever since she was caught trying to bigfoot her way into the nomination for the nearby riding of Oakville North-Burlington, which struck her as offering a better shot at winning than her present constituency. Not content with using her privilege as an MP in one riding to mail promotional flyers into the other, improperly accessing a confidential party database, and terrorizing a party meeting or two, Ms. Adams also sought to exploit the position of her fiancé, the party’s then-executive director, Dimitri Soudas, who made hundreds of calls from the same database on her behalf, in plain violation of his contract. Amazingly, things ended badly, with Mr. Soudas turfed from the position to which he had only lately been appointed — by the prime minister himself — and Ms. Adams barred, not only from seeking the nomination in Oakville North-Burlington, but as she was informed in a letter from party president John Walsh two weeks ago, in any riding in the country........You understand. Ms. Adams has been a member of the Conservative party for 25 years. She has been a member of the Conservative caucus under Stephen Harper for four years. She is engaged to Mr. Soudas, once the prime minister’s most loyal retainer and a central figure in the Conservatives’ 2011 election campaign. But only now, this very week, did she discover that she could not support “fear-mongers,” “bullies” or “mean-spirited leadership.”But it was not Ms. Adams who was called upon to deliver the day’s most crawlingly demeaning performance. That honour was reserved for Justin Trudeau. Ms. Adams, after all, was desperate. Mr. Trudeau had a choice. That he chose to receive her, not with a shrug of “hey, a seat’s a seat,” but in the same spirit of feigned high-mindedness, proves beyond a doubt his fitness for the rigours of high office.Not many would be capable of declaring, with a face that betrayed not a hint of the gut-emptying shame that roiled within, how “impressed” he had been in recent weeks with Ms. Adams’ “commitment to public service.” In a particularly painful flourish, the Liberal leader paid tribute to the amount of “soul-searching” she must have gone through before taking such a momentous decision. At a guess, a search of Ms. Adams’s soul could be conducted in the course of your average smoke break, if not between cigarettes. (Soul-searching? Are we entirely certain that when she looks in the mirror, an image appears?) Yet Mr. Trudeau professed to be delighted with his new recruit, as untroubled by her serial loyalties as by the voluminous baggage she brings Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
On Guard for Thee Posted February 10, 2015 Report Posted February 10, 2015 How so? Harper has been more honest than most of the politicians I've known. Far from perfect, of course, but certainly above the mean. Mind you, that's not a very high bar. Andrew Coyne savages Trudeau's performance in welcoming her, calling it a 'crawlingly demeaning performance' and basically saying Trudeau has proved he's a weasel, and thus fit for politics. But it was not Ms. Adams who was called upon to deliver the day’s most crawlingly demeaning performance. That honour was reserved for Justin Trudeau. Ms. Adams, after all, was desperate. Mr. Trudeau had a choice. That he chose to receive her, not with a shrug of “hey, a seat’s a seat,” but in the same spirit of feigned high-mindedness, proves beyond a doubt his fitness for the rigours of high office. Not many would be capable of declaring, with a face that betrayed not a hint of the gut-emptying shame that roiled within, how “impressed” he had been in recent weeks with Ms. Adams’ “commitment to public service.” In a particularly painful flourish, the Liberal leader paid tribute to the amount of “soul-searching” she must have gone through before taking such a momentous decision. http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/02/09/andrew-coyne-justin-trudeau-delivers-a-crawlingly-demeaning-performance-while-welcoming-eve-adams/ She chose to cross the floor and up until she did, she was a parliamentary secretary, so maybe not as desperate as you and Coyne might think. I am not quite so confident in Harpers honesty, but thats a different discussion. And at the end of the day, a seats a seat. Quote
overthere Posted February 10, 2015 Report Posted February 10, 2015 so maybe not as desperate as you and Coyne might think. well of course she is desperate. The Cons had just told her she was not going to be allowed to run anywhere in Canada for the Cons. The reason was her misconduct in her riding during the nomination process. She is a few years short of qualifying for a fat pension. Connect the numbers. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
Boges Posted February 10, 2015 Report Posted February 10, 2015 (edited) She chose to cross the floor and up until she did, she was a parliamentary secretary, so maybe not as desperate as you and Coyne might think. I am not quite so confident in Harpers honesty, but thats a different discussion. And at the end of the day, a seats a seat. And she was told she was no longer allowed to seek a nomination under the Conservative banner. It's JT's lack of awareness to take on an MP with such baggage that's the story. The CPC turfing her from caucus or not is one thing, but to take on an MP who had no future in her party is another thing altogether. I wonder if she'll get a shadow cabinet posting. Edited February 10, 2015 by Boges Quote
Spiderfish Posted February 10, 2015 Report Posted February 10, 2015 I agree. But turfing an elected MP from caucus shouldn't be taken lightly. I wonder if she's Pro-Life. Well, we know she's for income-splitting, or at least she was.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIXNj-JNtWw&feature=player_detailpage With her apparent indecisiveness on issues, it will likely be a good match with JT. Quote
Spiderfish Posted February 10, 2015 Report Posted February 10, 2015 Fear mongering and bullying I think were her words. She also got a hefty poke in at income splitting, re affirming it helps only a small portion of families already making good money. It wont likely last long in the press but it shows Harper in a bit of damage control mode. Is she against income splitting??? Quote
Argus Posted February 10, 2015 Report Posted February 10, 2015 Is she against income splitting??? Well, she is now... Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Spiderfish Posted February 10, 2015 Report Posted February 10, 2015 I think posters underestimate the value of Dimitri Soudas. He is the former Press Secretary to Harper and Executive Director of the Conservative Party of Canada. He has been at Harpers right hand from the Alliance days and was his political "hit" man that got Harper elected. This guy was not only knowledgeable of all of the shady things going on but was also the guy initiating most of them. These political mercenaries are for hire. Good ones are very hard to find and if Soudas is indeed turned to opening up to the Liberals then some very, very interesting information that can come out. Dimitri was in the inner circle from the Cadman fiasco to robocalls to Wallin and Duffy. If he was not behind these initiatives then he was certainly knowledgeable of who was doing what. He also has a full understanding of the Conservative strategy for the next election. If Dimitri is really miffed at the way his sweetie has been treated and is really ready to give pay back then the PMO better watch out. I believe that this guy can sink that ship with what he knows. A Dimitri catch is worth putting up with three Eve's. Buy hey - that's politics! But...Dimitri's new gig is just the "lawn sign installer". Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted February 10, 2015 Report Posted February 10, 2015 Is she against income splitting??? She certainly claims to be during her press conference. Quote
The_Squid Posted February 10, 2015 Report Posted February 10, 2015 The Liberals are getting beat up on this quite badly on the CBC... The host of the show played back what the Liberals said about Eve Adams previously and asked the guest "what changed"? It was not a comfortable interview for the Liberal MP on the show... (sorry if this doesn't fit the "CBC is pro-Liberal" narrative of most Conservative partisans) Quote
Spiderfish Posted February 10, 2015 Report Posted February 10, 2015 BTW - Dimitri Soudas has just announced that he will now be "working with" the Liberal Party of Canada. This is a "two person" deal. While one party may feel it gains something temporary during a floor crossing they all lose some of their credibility. Impossible... Trudeau's senior political adviser has assured us his new lawn sign installation gig is the only thing he will offer. Dimitri Soudas Supports Adams Move To Liberals Yeah, right. Quote
Spiderfish Posted February 10, 2015 Report Posted February 10, 2015 (edited) She certainly claims to be during her press conference. That she does. As I said, her and JT should get along famously. Edited February 10, 2015 by Spiderfish Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted February 10, 2015 Report Posted February 10, 2015 That she does. As I said, her and JT should get along famously. Perhaps they can work together and get rid of the damn thing. Save us a lot of oil revenues we no longer have. Quote
Boges Posted February 10, 2015 Report Posted February 10, 2015 (edited) I'd like to see some evidence that Income Splitting is the Wedge issue Harper Haters are saying it is. Now the Anti-Terror Legislation, now that's a Wedge Issue. One that JT comes down on the CPC with. As for Adams, she'll be against whatever JT tells her to be agains if it allows her to be able to run for re-election. Edited February 10, 2015 by Boges Quote
Spiderfish Posted February 10, 2015 Report Posted February 10, 2015 Perhaps they can work together and get rid of the damn thing. Save us a lot of oil revenues we no longer have. I'm sure she'll try her best. Her political survival is at stake. Quote
guyser Posted February 10, 2015 Report Posted February 10, 2015 The Liberals are getting beat up on this quite badly on the CBC... (sorry if this doesn't fit the "CBC is pro-Liberal" narrative of most Conservative partisans) NO way no how...we ALL know , well in fact we are told by righties, that this could not possibly be true. Liberals getting hammered on CBC? Will FOX Noise...er Sun News tell us too? Quote
Boges Posted February 10, 2015 Report Posted February 10, 2015 (edited) NO way no how...we ALL know , well in fact we are told by righties, that this could not possibly be true. Liberals getting hammered on CBC? Will FOX Noise...er Sun News tell us too? The Star had a column today wondering why JT would do this. http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/02/09/liberal-embrace-of-eve-adams-doesnt-add-up-hbert.html It's hard for an objective person to defend JT on this, though member On Guard for Thee is trying REALLY hard. Edited February 10, 2015 by Boges Quote
TimG Posted February 10, 2015 Report Posted February 10, 2015 (edited) (sorry if this doesn't fit the "CBC is pro-Liberal" narrative of most Conservative partisans)Nice strawman. The complaint is that CBC the has a left wing bias. That generally means they choose the NDP over the Liberals and oppose the Conservatives. It does not mean they consistently support a single party. Edited February 10, 2015 by TimG Quote
TimG Posted February 10, 2015 Report Posted February 10, 2015 The Star had a column today wondering why JT would do this.The biggest irony is the unstated reason for accepting her is the promise of "dirty laundry" but any revelations will be tainted by the self serving backroom dealing that JT engaged in to get access to that "dirty laundry". Quote
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