Argus Posted March 3, 2015 Report Posted March 3, 2015 Some Christian churches don't have "heads" they are non-hierarchical. Such religions will have wingnut clerics who should be mostly ignored, such as the Phelps' church. Perhaps so, but by far the majority of Christian religious orders oppose the death penalty. Codified in law from wingnut countries you mean ? No, codified in law in the Islamic religious texts. The rules don't seem to be different, but the structure of the religion and the prevalence of wingnut countries do I'll admit that. The prophet of Islam was a warrior prince and ruler. The prophet for Christianity was a wandering preacher. The difference in the depth and breadth of laws and requirements between the two religions harkens back to their origins. I know you don't like videos, but this one is only a few minutes long and most of us find Bill Maher interesting for at least that long... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpdGK3F4pC0 Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Michael Hardner Posted March 3, 2015 Report Posted March 3, 2015 Perhaps so, but by far the majority of Christian religious orders oppose the death penalty. Ok, so where are we then ? No, codified in law in the Islamic religious texts. You mean like Leviticus ? The prophet for Christianity was a wandering preacher. The difference in the depth and breadth of laws and requirements between the two religions harkens back to their origins. "Harkens" meaning it causes one to be violent and not the other ? Please. Your conclusion is baked right in from the time you put the problem in the oven... Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Argus Posted March 3, 2015 Report Posted March 3, 2015 You mean like Leviticus ? Leviticus was from a time before Christ and was superseded by the New Covenant. Look, Muhammed was the ruler of Medina. The laws he drew up for running Medina are the ones called Sharia today. They are civic and governmental laws and do not exist in Christianity. Unlike Christianity, Islam does not separate religion from state, and many Muslims argue it is apolitical Islam not political Islam that requires explanation and that is an historical fluke of the "shortlived heyday of secular Arab nationalism between 1945 and 1970. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_aspects_of_Islam Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Michael Hardner Posted March 3, 2015 Report Posted March 3, 2015 Many Muslims you say ? There's that word again... "many" "few" words that describe numbers but don't state numbers... Also the period of secular Arab nationalism is a "fluke" but the 100 years since we've seen "many" white Christians joining the KKK is a return to normal. This is known as cherry picking in secular math... Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Keepitsimple Posted March 12, 2015 Report Posted March 12, 2015 The Canadian Left is so politically-correct, it's sickening. For heaven's sake, the Niqab is banned from government and/or public places in many countries - including Muslim countries like Turkey and Tunisia. You can throw countries like France, Belgium, Spain and the Netherlands into the mix. And here in good old Canada, some are arguing that it should be allowed when taking the oath of citizenship. Talk about being off-base - how about off-planet! Quote Back to Basics
On Guard for Thee Posted March 12, 2015 Report Posted March 12, 2015 The Canadian Left is so politically-correct, it's sickening. For heaven's sake, the Niqab is banned from government and/or public places in many countries - including Muslim countries like Turkey and Tunisia. You can throw countries like France, Belgium, Spain and the Netherlands into the mix. And here in good old Canada, some are arguing that it should be allowed when taking the oath of citizenship. Talk about being off-base - how about off-planet! Yeah those SC justices are just a bunch of nut bars for sure. Quote
Keepitsimple Posted March 12, 2015 Report Posted March 12, 2015 Yeah those SC justices are just a bunch of nut bars for sure. Why always just drive-by shallow slurs instead of debating substance. Do you have any idea or opinion as to why all those countries have largely banned the Niqab? Quote Back to Basics
Black Dog Posted March 12, 2015 Report Posted March 12, 2015 The Canadian Left is so politically-correct, it's sickening. For heaven's sake, the Niqab is banned from government and/or public places in many countries - including Muslim countries like Turkey and Tunisia. You can throw countries like France, Belgium, Spain and the Netherlands into the mix. And here in good old Canada, some are arguing that it should be allowed when taking the oath of citizenship. Talk about being off-base - how about off-planet! I do appreciate that respecting individual choices, even ones we disagree with, is now "political correctness." Just goes to show how vapid and empty modern conservatism has become. Quote
Black Dog Posted March 12, 2015 Report Posted March 12, 2015 Do you have any idea or opinion as to why all those countries have largely banned the Niqab? In Turkey and Tnunnisia its due to longstanding tensions between religious and secular elements of society that are lacking here. In Europe, it's due to xenophobia and intolerance and a lack of a tradition of true individual freedom. Any more questions? Quote
guyser Posted March 12, 2015 Report Posted March 12, 2015 (edited) Why always just drive-by shallow slurs instead of debating substance. Do you have any idea or opinion as to why all those countries have largely banned the Niqab?Because they dont have the enlightened SC Justices we have , and they are deeper thinkers than the right who propose all these dumb things for something so minor. (afterall, there are only a handful of Niqab wearers in Canada) Other countries have other concerns....plus a shitload more xenophobes although some here are doing their best to close the gap. Edited March 12, 2015 by Guyser2 Quote
Guest Posted March 12, 2015 Report Posted March 12, 2015 In Turkey and Tnunnisia its due to longstanding tensions between religious and secular elements of society that are lacking here. In Europe, it's due to xenophobia and intolerance and a lack of a tradition of true individual freedom. Any more questions? I don't think it has anything to do with xenophobia or intolerance in Europe. Whilst I disagree with banning the veil, i understand that their intentions are to do with ending intolerance, not promoting it. They go about it the wrong way, in my opinion. It's like universities that ban pro life demos. I don't believe they believe they are being intolerant. Quote
TimG Posted March 12, 2015 Report Posted March 12, 2015 How many people in favour of the niqab would be ok with a KKK hood or a swastika armband? All are offensive. The only difference is who is offended. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted March 12, 2015 Report Posted March 12, 2015 How many people in favour of the niqab would be ok with a KKK hood or a swastika armband? All are offensive. The only difference is who is offended. I didnt know there was a ban on either of those things. Quote
LemonPureLeaf Posted March 12, 2015 Report Posted March 12, 2015 I didnt know there was a ban on either of those things. So you're ok with people taking the oath to join Canada wearing a KKK hood or Nazi arm band? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted March 12, 2015 Report Posted March 12, 2015 So you're ok with people taking the oath to join Canada wearing a KKK hood or Nazi arm band? The point I am making is simply that because you or I might find something offensive isnt enough reason to go around banning things. Quote
PIK Posted March 12, 2015 Report Posted March 12, 2015 (edited) How about store owners. If I own one and someone came in with a mask on....................This so stupid even to be debating it. If she does not like the rules go back home. I am sick and tired of having to bend over for these people. Edited March 12, 2015 by PIK Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
TimG Posted March 12, 2015 Report Posted March 12, 2015 (edited) I didnt know there was a ban on either of those things.The regulation prohibits all face coverings. If you want to allow the niqab you also need to allow KKK hoods. Do KKK hoods represent Canadian values? Edited March 12, 2015 by TimG Quote
guyser Posted March 12, 2015 Report Posted March 12, 2015 How about store owners. If I own one and someone came in with a mask on.........................like happens a thousand times a day from Nov to April. Yes yes...do go on, finish this so called thought This so stupid even to be debating it.It truly is. They already ID'd her anyhow. Quote
LemonPureLeaf Posted March 12, 2015 Report Posted March 12, 2015 This is disgusting. If we go to a Muslim country women must adhere to their rules but apparently they can come to Canada and tell us how it is. Just disgusting. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted March 12, 2015 Report Posted March 12, 2015 How about store owners. If I own one and someone came in with a mask on....................This so stupid even to be debating it. If she does not like the rules go back home. I am sick and tired of having to bend over for these people. Your store is private property so you can let in who you like. But are you now suggesting someone wearing a niqab is intending to rob your store... Quote
guyser Posted March 12, 2015 Report Posted March 12, 2015 The regulation prohibits all face coverings. If you want to allow the niqab you also need to allow KKK hoods. Do KKK hoods represent Canadian values?So the litmus test is our Canadian values? Didnt know that. Quote
guyser Posted March 12, 2015 Report Posted March 12, 2015 This is disgusting. If we go to a Muslim country women must adhere to their rules but apparently they can come to Canada and tell us how it is.LOL...such simpleton thinking. Why im almost ashamed you grew up being educated in this country. It must be tough being that thick day in day out. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted March 12, 2015 Report Posted March 12, 2015 The regulation prohibits all face coverings. If you want to allow the niqab you also need to allow KKK hoods. Do KKK hoods represent Canadian values? So long as you uncover for proper ID, as this woman gladly did, then you are within the law as it stands. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted March 12, 2015 Report Posted March 12, 2015 This is disgusting. If we go to a Muslim country women must adhere to their rules but apparently they can come to Canada and tell us how it is. Just disgusting. You have the cart before the horse there. Our courts told them how it is. Quote
Black Dog Posted March 12, 2015 Report Posted March 12, 2015 The regulation prohibits all face coverings. If you want to allow the niqab you also need to allow KKK hoods. Do KKK hoods represent Canadian values? The niqab ban had nothing to do with "represnting Canadian values", but ensuring that people could see the person taking the oath. take it away, Jason Kenney: “I have received complaints from members of Parliament, from citizens, from judges of the citizenship court that it is hard to ensure that individuals whose faces are covered are actually reciting the oath. Requiring that all candidates show their faces while reciting the oath allows judges and everyone present to share in the ceremony, to ensure that all citizenship candidates are in fact, reciting the oath as required by our law. This is not simply a practical measure. It is a matter of deep principle that goes to the heart of our identity and our values of openness and equality. The citizenship oath is a quintessentially public act. It is a public declaration that you are joining the Canadian family and it must be taken freely and openly. That's it. All the stuff about the niqab being antithetical to Canadian values is a mere afterthought designed to whip up the base and keep the cash rolling in. Quote
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