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[jacee]

Reasonable assumptions, to be sure.

Like mine, I guess.

You haven't provided any reasoning, just a stereotype assumption.

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[Guest]

Do you think it's a wrong assumption? Do you think that women like covering themselves up?

[Big Guy]

I find it interesting when people either attempt to speak for a gender or make assumptions about another gender. I have seen a few threads here where a male tried to represent personal views on sexuality as the norm for all or most males. He was not only proven to be mistaken but was verbally spanked for his attempt to be a self appointed spokesperson.

I suggest that men and women, while having an anatomical difference, are homogeneous as to the diversity of their varied attitudes, beliefs and visions. I am a male, speak for myself only and resent anyone attempting to speak for me. My bride is a woman, speaks only for herself and woe to anyone attempting to speak for her.

So let it be written, so let it be done!

Edited February 27, 2015 by Big Guy

[Black Dog]

I suggest that men and women, while having an anatomical difference, are homogeneous as to the diversity of their varied attitudes, beliefs and visions.

I would hazard a guess the same applies to Muslims as well. The fact is, we're talking about a tiny minority of a tiny minority here.

[eyeball]

Do you think it's a wrong assumption? Do you think that women like covering themselves up?

Some clearly do but I think it's mostly because they enjoy being ogled even less.

[Guest]

You'd think the onus would rest with the ogler.

[eyeball]

No kidding, I've long advocated forcing Muslim men that can't control themselves to wear blinders.

[Big Guy]

I understand that social norms for males dictates that the coefficient of ooglerentitlement (OE) is directly proportion to the distance between oogler and oogled and inversely proportional to oogler and oogler's spouse - only if oogled and oggler's spouse are not the same person.

[jacee]

Do you think it's a wrong assumption? Do you think that women like covering themselves up?

Yes I do think it's a wrong and a stereotyped assumption.

Apparently some choose to do it and

this woman went to court to defend her right.

It irks and humors me at the same time to hear the Conservatives huffing and puffing about how they've always been big supporters of women's rights and this offends them because ... Yada Yada Yada.

That's such BS.

I know exactly where they stood on women's rights, lobbing potshots in gutter language. Now they're the big defenders of women's rights?!

No they're not.

They only recruited women to the party to get votes.

Now they are anti-Muslim, using 'women's rights' as a convenient vehicle for their bigotry ... and telling women what to do!

If they were real supporters of women's rights, they would support a woman's right to choose what she wears on her own body.

So would you.

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Edited February 27, 2015 by jacee

[poochy]

Yes I do think it's a wrong and a stereotyped assumption.

Apparently some choose to do it and

this woman went to court to defend her right.

It irks and humors me at the same time to hear the Conservatives huffing and puffing about how they've always been big supporters of women's rights and this offends them because ... Yada Yada Yada.

That's such BS.

I know exactly where they stood on women's rights, lobbing potshots in gutter language. Now they're the big defenders of women's rights?!

No they're not.

They only recruited women to the party to get votes.

Now they are anti-Muslim, using 'women's rights' as a convenient vehicle for their bigotry ... and telling women what to do!

If they were real supporters of women's rights, they would support a woman's right to choose what she wears on her own body.

So would you.

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And any honest person would understand that it isn't really a choice. Unless you consider a cultural norm born out of the oppression of women a choice, i wouldn't, and no self respecting feminist who doesn't have an ideological conflict between defending anything that isn't white european and defending womens rights would. Over and over again you trip over your own broken ideology.

[Guest]

Yes I do think it's a wrong and a stereotyped assumption.

Apparently some choose to do it and

this woman went to court to defend her right.

It irks and humors me at the same time to hear the Conservatives huffing and puffing about how they've always been big supporters of women's rights and this offends them because ... Yada Yada Yada.

That's such BS.

I know exactly where they stood on women's rights, lobbing potshots in gutter language. Now they're the big defenders of women's rights?!

No they're not.

They only recruited women to the party to get votes.

Now they are anti-Muslim, using 'women's rights' as a convenient vehicle for their bigotry ... and telling women what to do!

If they were real supporters of women's rights, they would support a woman's right to choose what she wears on her own body.

So would you.

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I do. Could you show me what made you think I don't?

I'm pro choice in all manner of things.

How come you went off on a rant about Conservatives?

Are you saying that anyone who thinks forcing a women into a garment that covers them from view is wrong just thinks so in order to be anti Muslim, instead of it being the other way around.

As in, being against those Muslims who believe forcing a women into a garment that covers them from view is consistent with the will of their God. Especially as Muslim clerics have repeatedly stated it isn't.

[jacee]

And any honest person would understand that it isn't really a choice. Unless you consider a cultural norm born out of the oppression of women a choice, i wouldn't, and no self respecting feminist who doesn't have an ideological conflict between defending anything that isn't white european and defending womens rights would. Over and over again you trip over your own broken ideology.

You are just another example of men who think they should make women's choices for them.

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Edited February 27, 2015 by jacee

[jacee]

I do. Could you show me what made you think I don't?

I'm pro choice in all manner of things.

Except this apparently. :/

Well too bad ... she's made her choice.

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Edited February 27, 2015 by jacee

[Guest]

You are just another example of men who think they should make women's decisions for them.

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Oh dear me no. He's an example of men who think women should make their own decisions. You, on the other hand, are an example of someone who thinks men should make women's decisions for them.

Edited February 27, 2015 by bcsapper

[Guest]

Well she's made her choice.

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Going round in circles now. Like I said, I fully support her right to choose to wear whatever she wants. And if she made that choice willingly, good. If she didn't, it's still her choice. Shame though.

[overthere]

How come you went off on a rant about Conservatives?

a. she cannot help herself

b. she cannot imagine a world in which a person who votes Con could also support feminist issues.

c. both of the above

[jacee]

a. she cannot help herself

Because there is so much bigoted material to deal with!

b. she cannot imagine a world in which a person who votes Con could also support feminist issues.

Only when women do what they want them to.

c. both of the above

No.

C Because ... there's so much bigoted material to deal with!

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Edited February 27, 2015 by jacee

[jacee]

Going round in circles now. Like I said, I fully support her right to choose to wear whatever she wants. And if she made that choice willingly, good. If she didn't, it's still her choice.

Absolutely.

Shame though.

What's a shame is that there are still men who think they know 'what's best' for women.

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[overthere]

I fully support her right to choose to wear whatever she wants. And if she made that choice willingly, good. If she didn't, it's still her choice.

me too.

[Guest]

Absolutely.

What's a shame is that there are still men who think they know 'what's best' for women.

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That's what I've been trying to tell you. All those men who think that women should cover themselves up should mind their own bloody business, as far as I'm concerned.

Edited February 27, 2015 by bcsapper

[jacee]

That's what I've been trying to tell you. All those men who think that women should cover themselves up should mind their own bloody business, as far as I'm concerned.

That CLEARLY isn't the case here.

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[jacee]

bcsapper:

I fully support her right to choose to wear whatever she wants. And if she made that choice willingly, good. If she didn't, it's still her choice.

me too.

me too.

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[Guest]

That CLEARLY isn't the case here.

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Do you mean with the lady in the OP, or with coverers up in general?

Like I said, I fully support the right of a woman to wear whatever she chooses. I also think it's a shame if she makes that choice based on cultural or religious views forced upon her by others.

Which bit of that don't you like?

[jacee]

Do you mean with the lady in the OP, or with coverers up in general?

Like I said, I fully support the right of a woman to wear whatever she chooses. I also think it's a shame if she makes that choice based on cultural or religious views forced upon her by others.

Which bit of that don't you like?

FFS we're talking about the court case!

SHEESH!

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Edited February 27, 2015 by jacee

[Guest]

FFS we're talking about the court case!

SHEESH!

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So when you talk about men who know what's best for women, you are limiting yourself to whichever man it was who banned face coverings at citizenship ceremonies in the first place, which the SCOC has seen fit to overturn?

Just him?