Argus Posted February 8, 2015 Report Posted February 8, 2015 How many of us have been affected by terrorism? Do you want to wait until a substantial number of people have been? I was affected by terrorism in that I couldn't go downtown because there was a terrorist there shooting at people. How's that? People I know were locked down in their offices. They were affected too. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
poochy Posted February 8, 2015 Report Posted February 8, 2015 /facepalm That'ts pretty much all you can say to something so incredibly stupid. Quote
Argus Posted February 8, 2015 Report Posted February 8, 2015 Telling I have yet to see a single true blue Harperphile actually defend the legislation on its merits. Just fear-mongering nonsense. Still waiting for a Harper Hating deep red lefty to give us some indication of how anything in the legislation will damage our rights. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted February 8, 2015 Report Posted February 8, 2015 I'd have the government stop implementing foreign policies that cause terrorism. This legislation, like terrorism, are the impacts of those polices. So we're back to Big Guy's idea that we have some kind of Muslim oversight committee reviewing all decisions of government to ensure they don't outrage some small group of Muslims somewhere? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
GostHacked Posted February 8, 2015 Report Posted February 8, 2015 Which rights? I am trying to make a post in response, your pestering is not helping. Patience. YOu are trying to catch up, but it was pages back.. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/24250-what-right-have-you-lost/page-12 Post # 175 and 176 is where I point out a couple important points. Quote
Argus Posted February 8, 2015 Report Posted February 8, 2015 (edited) Does anybody else suspect, as I do, that the government added this clause to make it impossible for Trudeau to support it: What clause? A warrant to ignore the Charter? That is simply badly written nonsense by the reporter. If you could ignore the charter you wouldn't need a warrant and no judge can, under the constitution grant permission to ignore the constitution. Edited February 8, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted February 8, 2015 Report Posted February 8, 2015 Have you not followed all of the SCC decisions that have overturned Harper legislation? You want to know what rights we have lost? Go look at the list. "go look at a list' is an inadequate response. Go find me something to whine about before calling Harper dangerous. Don't tell me to look at a list. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted February 8, 2015 Report Posted February 8, 2015 I am trying to make a post in response, your pestering is not helping. Patience. YOu are trying to catch up, but it was pages back.. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/24250-what-right-have-you-lost/page-12 Post # 175 and 176 is where I point out a couple important points. 175 talked about undermining foreign governments. Are you stating the right we'll lose is the right to undermine foreign governments? I think most Canadians will be okay with that. 176 talked about detention without warrants. Police can detain people without warrants NOW. Or have you forgotten the G20 mess? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted February 8, 2015 Report Posted February 8, 2015 So after reading through fourteen full pages I still have not seen anyone answering the OP question. All I've seen is bilious paranoid ravings about how bad a man Harper is and how all that we hold dear is being destroyed - somehow. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Michael Hardner Posted February 8, 2015 Report Posted February 8, 2015 What clause? A warrant to ignore the Charter? That is simply badly written nonsense by the reporter. If you could ignore the charter you wouldn't need a warrant and no judge can, under the constitution grant permission to ignore the constitution. Ok. Do you think that politics played any part in how the bill was drafted ? It sure seemed to put the Liberal leader in a tough spot, wouldn't you say ? Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Argus Posted February 8, 2015 Report Posted February 8, 2015 Ok. Do you think that politics played any part in how the bill was drafted ? It sure seemed to put the Liberal leader in a tough spot, wouldn't you say ? Politics plays a part in how almost every bill is drafted, regardless of what party is in power. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
GostHacked Posted February 8, 2015 Report Posted February 8, 2015 175 talked about undermining foreign governments. Are you stating the right we'll lose is the right to undermine foreign governments? I think most Canadians will be okay with that. 176 talked about detention without warrants. Police can detain people without warrants NOW. Or have you forgotten the G20 mess? Yep, we now know that cops were never granted special powers during the summit. Something that the media heavily reported on running up to the event. So if no special powers were given, what authority were the police working under? What's the answer there? And the real kicker of 176 is that they can detain you without charge. Something that needs to be told to you before you are brought in. Now you can be detained, no warrent, no charge for up to 48 hours. Quote
GostHacked Posted February 8, 2015 Report Posted February 8, 2015 Politics plays a part in how almost every bill is drafted, regardless of what party is in power. And that is how we get ineffective governments. I have no use for partisans, left OR right. Quote
Argus Posted February 8, 2015 Report Posted February 8, 2015 And that is how we get ineffective governments. I have no use for partisans, left OR right. As long as we have a democracy the people who have to run for office will do whatever they can to make themselves look good and give their opponents the opportunity to look bad. It has been that way forever, and until some unforeseen day when the human race becomes elevated to the point where nothing but pure logic dictates our leadership selection, it will continue. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
socialist Posted February 8, 2015 Report Posted February 8, 2015 And that is how we get ineffective governments. I have no use for partisans, left OR right. That's why Justin Trudeau appeals to so many. He doesn't play the partisan nonsense, and he truly cares about all Canadians, not just the filthy rich. Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
Michael Hardner Posted February 8, 2015 Report Posted February 8, 2015 Politics plays a part in how almost every bill is drafted, regardless of what party is in power. That will be written down as 'yes'. And I would say (if you won't) a big 'YES' as it put the Liberal leader in check. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted February 8, 2015 Report Posted February 8, 2015 That's why Justin Trudeau appeals to so many. He doesn't play the partisan nonsense, and he truly cares about all Canadians, not just the filthy rich. Socialist, do you think that his support of the Keystone pipeline is part of that, ie. support for Canadian jobs ? Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
cybercoma Posted February 8, 2015 Report Posted February 8, 2015 Maybe because he, like the rest of us, is grounded in reality.The guy who's constantly calling people idiots complete misses the point. Imagine that. Quote
cybercoma Posted February 8, 2015 Report Posted February 8, 2015 "go look at a list' is an inadequate response. Go find me something to whine about before calling Harper dangerous. Don't tell me to look at a list.Why should I provide YOU of all people a reference to Supreme Court rulings? You don't even understand their role or what they do and you refuse to learn. Quote
socialist Posted February 8, 2015 Report Posted February 8, 2015 Socialist, do you think that his support of the Keystone pipeline is part of that, ie. support for Canadian jobs ? Why do you think he supports the pipeline? I like the way Trudeau thinks. Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
GostHacked Posted February 8, 2015 Report Posted February 8, 2015 That's why Justin Trudeau appeals to so many. He doesn't play the partisan nonsense, and he truly cares about all Canadians, not just the filthy rich. He is as partisan as the rest of them. It's why he is a politician and not anything else. Quote
socialist Posted February 8, 2015 Report Posted February 8, 2015 He is as partisan as the rest of them. It's why he is a politician and not anything else. You aren't very politically astute then. Trudeau speaks to those who have little voice. That is why he will win the next election. The CPC ship is sunk and all the partisan conservatives know it. John Baird knows it. Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
GostHacked Posted February 8, 2015 Report Posted February 8, 2015 As long as we have a democracy the people who have to run for office will do whatever they can to make themselves look good and give their opponents the opportunity to look bad. And that will keep on happening as long as you and I fight with each other. You know to keep us distracted. It has been that way forever, and until some unforeseen day when the human race becomes elevated to the point where nothing but pure logic dictates our leadership selection, it will continue. And this is why I hate the line 'it's just the way it is'. Admitting defeat raising the arms and saying 'whaddya gonna do?' The conditioning has been a long process, but we now have a citizenry that is simply 'meh' about the whole thing. Another thing the government loves, is our apathy towards it all. But you know 'left shark' rules, everything else not important. Amused to death. Quote
GostHacked Posted February 8, 2015 Report Posted February 8, 2015 (edited) You aren't very politically astute then. Trudeau speaks to those who have little voice. That is why he will win the next election. The CPC ship is sunk and all the partisan conservatives know it. John Baird knows it. Thanks for the compliment. Trudeau is taking money from those little voices so he can be the mouthpeice. Trudeau will not win. I don't know who will, but I can say he won't be PM within the next decade. Edited February 8, 2015 by GostHacked Quote
Argus Posted February 8, 2015 Report Posted February 8, 2015 That's why Justin Trudeau appeals to so many. He doesn't play the partisan nonsense, and he truly cares about all Canadians, not just the filthy rich. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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