terrorist attack in Tel Aviv

Rue · February 8, 2015

Marcus when you make a statement that the actions of Hamas are just a drop in the bucket compared to what Israel has done.." you again demonstrate simply a subjective opinion. You have no methodology that has objectively measured the acts of either Hamas or Israel. What you have is you, simply throwing out a subjective opinion based on nothing but your anti Israel script.

As I said you come on this forum and repeat the same one sided script. Its meaningless because of the very nature of its subjectivity.

As for Jacee, Buh has already responded to you. By the way who this "Palestine" is about as meaningful as when Marcus uses the word "Israel" when he supposedly criticizes the IDF or the Israeli government. The word Palestine means what? don't play. You used that word because if you used the reference Hamas which is who were criticizing, you don't wantto then be accused of being a Hamas apologist. Yah I get the semantics and yes that is interesting because you falsely accused me of blaming Palestinians when I go out of my way to make it clear I criticize Hamas, other terror cells and the PA, not Palestinians, and you not I use the word Palestine when we are discussing Hamas and its tactics. Interesting, You use the words interchangeably not I.

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Big Guy · February 8, 2015

Bibi Netanyahu is putting his personal ambitions above the safety and security of Israel. Earlier, he accepted a Republican invitation that he speak to congress against the obvious wishes of the White House. Fellow politicians at home have warned him that this was not the time to get involved in American politics. Bibi decided to ignore his fellow Israeli leaders, thumb his nose at the White House and has confirmed his commitment to speak.

The President of the United States has already said he will not meet with him of acknowledge his trip. Bibi has an election pending and must believe that this involvement in American politics will get him re-elected at home. He is playing a very dangerous game and I believe making a major mistake. Joe Biden, is the Vice President of the United States and usually presides over the American Congress. He has just declared that he has "other business" and will not be there to hear Netanyahu speak. It will be interesting to see how democrats in Congress will receive the speech or if they will show up at all.

This is not a good thing for Israel. Netanyahu is ignoring the President of the USA and basically insulting him and the office. Israel cannot afford to make support for it based on party affiliation. If Bibi does show up for his speech in Congress then Israel better hope that Netanyahu does not get re-elected or that Republicans take over the White House in two years.

Whatever happens, Israel is in for some cool relations with the USA for a few years.

bush_cheney2004 · February 8, 2015

...Joe Biden, is the Vice President of the United States and usually presides over the American Congress.

No...that's not quite right. The Vice President of the United States presides over the U.S. Senate, and joint sessions of Congress to announce voting by the Electoral College.

What matters is that the U.S. Congress will continue to fund foreign aid for Israel.

jacee · February 9, 2015

No...that's not quite right. The Vice President of the United States presides over the U.S. Senate, and joint sessions of Congress to announce voting by the Electoral College.

What matters is that the U.S. Congress will continue to fund foreign aid for Israel.

Ya it's all about the money. :/

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jacee · February 9, 2015

Marcus when you make a statement that the actions of Hamas are just a drop in the bucket compared to what Israel has done.." you again demonstrate simply a subjective opinion. You have no methodology that has objectively measured the acts of either Hamas or Israel. What you have is you, simply throwing out a subjective opinion based on nothing but your anti Israel script.

There's nothing subjective about the death count.

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drummindiver · February 9, 2015

There's nothing subjective about the death count.

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Ridiculous!!!!

It`s also not subjective that Israel has been attacked mercilessly by all surrounding territories and as is allowed to defend herself.

jacee · February 9, 2015

Ridiculous!!!!

It`s also not subjective that Israel has been attacked mercilessly by all surrounding territories and as is allowed to defend herself.

Murdering children does not defend Israel.

It destroys Israel's credibility and support.

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jbg · February 9, 2015

There could be an independent Palestinian state but there will never be a partition of Jerusalem. That is the main obstacle to peace.

The nub of this is that the "Palestinians" don't want a Palestinian state. They want Israel gone. The deal-breakers will, as you point out, be Jerusalem and as you inadvertently omit, non-militarization. The Israelis would only accept an area demilitarized in the sense of post-WW II Japan or West Germany. The "Palestinians" cannot and will not accept this since their view is that they are Arabs.

Between 1948 and 1967 there was never a move to make the "disputed territories" an independent country. This became a post-1967 fallback position. About as durable as Crimea's existence as an "independent" state after they were detached from Ukraine.

jacee · February 9, 2015

The nub of this is that the "Palestinians" don't want a Palestinian state. They want Israel gone. The deal-breakers will, as you point out, be Jerusalem and as you inadvertently omit, non-militarization. The Israelis would only accept an area demilitarized in the sense of post-WW II Japan or West Germany. The "Palestinians" cannot and will not accept this since their view is that they are Arabs.

Between 1948 and 1967 there was never a move to make the "disputed territories" an independent country. This became a post-1967 fallback position. About as durable as Crimea's existence as an "independent" state after they were detached from Ukraine.

Palestine is a state now.

There isn't any other option.

Israel would like the land without the Arabs who live there.

That's not going to happen.

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jbg · February 9, 2015

Bibi Netanyahu is putting his personal ambitions above the safety and security of Israel. Earlier, he accepted a Republican invitation that he speak to congress against the obvious wishes of the White House. Fellow politicians at home have warned him that this was not the time to get involved in American politics. Bibi decided to ignore his fellow Israeli leaders, thumb his nose at the White House and has confirmed his commitment to speak.

The President of the United States has already said he will not meet with him of acknowledge his trip.

Pure pettifoggery. Obama doesn't want to be embarrassed for caving to Iran on nuclear weapons, however that might be sugar-coated.

Joe Biden, is the Vice President of the United States and usually presides over the American Congress. He has just declared that he has "other business" and will not be there to hear Netanyahu speak.

Vice-Presidents actually don't spend their working hours "presiding" over the Senate. They show up when they may be needed to break a tie. This is a long-standing tradition of Vice-Presidential silence after John Adams famously put his foot in his mouth over the issue of how to properly address the President. Long story short, he made a fool of himself.

It will be interesting to see how democrats in Congress will receive the speech or if they will show up at all.

It will be interesting to see how many normally deep blue states such as New York, California or Illinois elect Republicans if the Democrats try that stunt.

This is not a good thing for Israel. Netanyahu is ignoring the President of the USA and basically insulting him and the office. Israel cannot afford to make support for it based on party affiliation. If Bibi does show up for his speech in Congress then Israel better hope that Netanyahu does not get re-elected or that Republicans take over the White House in two years.

Whatever happens, Israel is in for some cool relations with the USA for a few years.

It couldn't get much cooler. Obama is an enemy of the Jews and the State of Israel. And a fool to boot.

jbg · February 9, 2015

Palestine is a state now.

There isn't any other option.

Israel would like the land without the Arabs who live there.

That's not going to happen.

What are Palestine's borders? What is its population? To what degree does it control affairs within its borders? Answer those questions ane explain what makes "Palestine" a state.

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What is that extra "."? Edited February 9, 2015 by jbg

jacee · February 9, 2015

What are Palestine's borders?

What are Israel's borders?

What is its population? To what degree does it control affairs within its borders? Answer those questions ane explain what makes "Palestine" a state.

What makes Israel a state if it doesn't define and stay within its legal borders?

Are you arguing for a one-state solution?

It won't be a Jewish state.

What is that extra "."?

The end.

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jbg · February 9, 2015

What are Israel's borders?

What makes Israel a state if it doesn't define and stay within its legal borders?

Are you arguing for a one-state solution?

It won't be a Jewish state.

Jacee does not recognize Israel as a Jewish state. Understood. That's what I've thought about most anti-Israel posters.

The end.

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What authority is there to end a group of sentences with a "."? Unless that's in the Canadian as opposed to English language.

jacee · February 9, 2015

Jacee does not recognize Israel as a Jewish state. Understood. That's what I've thought about most anti-Israel posters.

What authority is there to end a group of sentences with a "."? Unless that's in the Canadian as opposed to English language.

Ah ... misrepresenting my comments just like Rue.

Ok. We're done here.

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Rue · February 9, 2015

Jacee you have made it clear you will not come on this board and state you recognize Israels right to exist as a Jewish state but will continue to play the role of victim of mistatement. You are no victim. You are someone who has repeatedly shown you can not come on this board and state you recognize Israels right to exist as a Jewish state, That is no misrepresentation it is fact.

You are done yes. Your refusal to state you recognize Israel as a Jewish state did you in yes.

How long do you play at that game? Why? Why the games?

A Rue Fable

A man stood before the King covered in blood.

"What happened?" Asked the king.

The man did not respond.

Another man standing in the crowd screamed out, I saw him kill his wife with an axe, he chopped her head off he did.."

The King then asked: " Is this true?"

The man continued to stand silent.

"Aye, I saw him do it too! screamed another man, " he called his wife a whore not worthy of existence and chopped her head off he did..."

The King then asked, " Good God man have you nothing to say for yourself?"

The man covered in blood again remained silent.

The King then shouted, " You do realize your silence speaks loudly?"

The man then said, " You misrpresent what I said..."

" How is that possible when you have stated nothing?" the King then asked.

The man remained silent again.

The King then stated;

" some people do not have to say a thing, their odour gives them away."

Suddenly the silent man shouted;

"that's not fair, I wash daily!"

The King then stated;

" you clearly didn't clean your vital parts very well.." then gestured and off the

man was taken protesting his innocence all the way to the hanging block.

moral of the story;

Jacee you might want to try using soap.

marcus · February 10, 2015

Jacee you have made it clear you will not come on this board and state you recognize Israels right to exist as a Jewish state

On what grounds is she or anyone else obligated to recognize Israel as a "Jewish" state?

How many of you Zionist mouthpieces have stated their support for a Palestinian State as recognized by international law?

dre · February 10, 2015

The nub of this is that the "Palestinians" don't want a Palestinian state.

You might want to refrain from speaking for millions of other people, at least until you learn to articulately express your own opinion. Gotta start somewhere man... baby steps.

dre · February 10, 2015

Jacee does not recognize Israel as a Jewish state.

Oh yay! The retarded "jewish state recognition" meme again!

Look... nobody gives a rats ass if you or Israelis want to be jewish. It has nothing to do with recognizing Israels status as a nation.

If youre dumb enough to believe in one of the idiotic skygod mythologies associated with that gutless, dispicable maggot Abraham, then thats your problem. Believe all the dumb crap you want, but dont muel and whine for others to recognize your beliefs. WE DONT CARE.

Israel is a state... it SHOULD be a state. It will ALWAYS be a state. If its citizens want to believe retarded crap then thats OK! Citizens of all kinds of nations believe retarded crap. I RECOGNIZE your right to believe retarded crap. Israel deserves to be a state for the same reason that Palestinians deserve to have a state. Millions of people should not be stripped of the rights that come with being citizens of a nation.

But stop mueling and whining for god sakes. Israelis can be as jewish as they want to be... WHO CARES. But you need to separate the reality that modern day nation-states exist in, from your little fantasies, and your magic little god in the sky. Israel has the right to demand its territory and its sovereighty is respected. THAT IS IT. This new theme where they bleat out "TELL US WE ARE JEWISH! TELL US WE ARE JEWISH! AKNOWDEDGE MY JEWISHNESS!", is so god damn stupid it should embarass anyone thats well... not stupid enough to believe in any of the three retarded Abrahic mythologies.

Stop whining for god sakes. Go and be jewish... be as jewy as you want! Just stop whining, mueling, and snivelling, and crying.

Thanks.

jbg · February 10, 2015

Oh yay! The retarded "jewish state recognition" meme again!

Look... nobody gives a rats ass if you or Israelis want to be jewish. It has nothing to do with recognizing Israels status as a nation.

If every other group in the world is entitled to "self-determination" why not the Jews? In this rest of your post you make little secret of your venom.

If youre dumb enough to believe in one of the idiotic skygod mythologies associated with that gutless, ~~dispicable~~ despicable maggot Abraham, then ~~thats~~ that's your problem. Believe all the dumb crap you want, but ~~dont muel~~ don't mewl and whine for others to recognize your beliefs. WE DONT CARE.

What poison prose! In what respect is Abraham "despicable" or a "maggot?" Last seen he was an imperfect human being with the foibles of person-hood. That is why we don't kill people over cartoons showing Abraham.

Israel is a state... it SHOULD be a state. It will ALWAYS be a state. If its citizens want to believe retarded crap then thats OK! Citizens of all kinds of nations believe retarded crap. I RECOGNIZE your right to believe retarded crap. Israel deserves to be a state for the same reason that Palestinians deserve to have a state. Millions of people should not be stripped of the rights that come with being citizens of a nation.

Again we're a district people. Just as Poles, or Canadians are entitled to self-determination so are the Jews; especially when our spell as a Diaspora people came to a bloody ending between 1933 and 1945.

But stop mueling and whining for god sakes. Israelis can be as jewish as they want to be... WHO CARES.

Evidently the Arabs, very much so.

But you need to separate the reality that modern day nation-states exist in, from your little fantasies, and your magic little god in the sky. Israel has the right to demand its territory and its sovereighty is respected. THAT IS IT. This new theme where they bleat out "TELL US WE ARE JEWISH! TELL US WE ARE JEWISH! AKNOWDEDGE MY JEWISHNESS!", is so god damn stupid it should embarass anyone thats well... not stupid enough to believe in any of the three retarded Abrahic mythologies.

Stop whining for god sakes. Go and be jewish... be as jewy as you want! Just stop whining, mueling, and snivelling, and crying.

Thanks.

If the surrounding people were as "live and let live" as you are it would be a different story.

jacee · February 10, 2015

If every other group in the world is entitled to "self-determination" why not the Jews?

Israelis have self-determined that they are a Jewish state.

End of story.

It's really sad how jbg and Rue's immature hissy fits and whining for external validation make Israel look pathetic and stupid.

As I said before, maybe that's their job here - turning people against Israel.

It's certainly working.

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Rue · February 10, 2015

As usual Marcus you missed the point. No one said Jacee was obligated to recognize Israel as a Jewish state, no one.

Rue · February 10, 2015

You Jacee play games. You claim you were misrepresented. How? You do not recognize Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state, then claim its a misrepresentation to say that. No one is having a hissy fit but you continue to deny your position after you keep stating it.

As for your continued allegation JBG or I are here to turn people against Israel uh sure Jacee. It worked on you clearly. However my mission is to turn people on to Tonga.

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dre · February 10, 2015

Again we're a district people. Just as Poles, or Canadians are entitled to self-determination so are the Jews; especially when our spell as a Diaspora people came to a bloody ending between 1933 and 1945.

Maybe if youre going to point out my spelling mistakes you shouldnt post "were a district people". What the f*&%^ does that even mean? And Israelis DO have the right to self determination, problem is they are trying to deny that right to millions of other people. Go ahead and determine the hell out of yourself! That has nothing to do with the whining and mewling about other people announcing their recognition of the fact you believe in some retarded fantasy.

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Hudson Jones · February 10, 2015

Rue's whining and hissy fit doesn't even make sense. The hissy fit may have made sense over 60 years ago. The thing is, Israel already exists and the country is already recognized internationally. What they want to call themselves is their choice. Who cares if they want to be called Jewish.

It's like any time some valid criticism comes up, like Israel's illegal annexation of Palestinian territory, the theft of resources, the decades long occupation, the actions on Gaza and the refusal to allow a Palestinian State to be formed, there is some stupid hissy fit about something that doesn't even make sense, like: "OMG OMG OMG! YOU DON'T RECOGNIZE ISRAEL AS A JEWISH STATE!"