Argus Posted February 12, 2015 Report Posted February 12, 2015 I understand English pretty well. Certainly as well as you. What you seemed to try to do was dismiss rape somehow as just a sexual act which it is not. I think most of us could think of many times they were sexually aroused but wouldnt even consider forcing ourselves on the subject of our arousal. Its a whole different thought pattern than, boy she looks pretty good, that causes someone to do so. No, it really isn't. Most of us are tempted by many things in life, and most of us don't resort to force to get those things. But there has always been and likely always will be a minority who don't mind using force to get what they want, including sex. That's especially so where drugs and alcohol are involved Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted February 12, 2015 Report Posted February 12, 2015 (edited) hehe, I'm looking forward to expanding on the character! Perhaps when you attempt to write a character you will find one more realistic and interesting than what you've created here on this web site. Edited February 12, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted February 12, 2015 Report Posted February 12, 2015 I guess that some self appointed experts on sexuality on this board believe that as soon as men are incarcerated then they become gay - and aggressive gays at that. The stats indicate that about a quarter million men are raped every year by other men in prisons in the USA. I know stories about rape in prison excite a certain type of person, but it really isn't nearly as prevalent as they seem to think (and hope). It tends to be somewhere around the 2% mark, which, unsurprisingly, isn't that far from the presumed percentage of gays in the population. That's not to say it's not possible for a straight man to have sex with another man, simply unusual and unlikely in a sane individual. Even the slow witted might deduce that maybe rape has little to do with sex and lots to do power and dominance. I concede your expertise with slow witted thinking, however, the statement is wildly at odds with reality. The majority of rapes are committed by people known to the victim, and are usually date or family related and involve drugs/alcohol. I'm really at something of a loss as to how people can be so out of touch with reality as to not understand this. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted February 12, 2015 Report Posted February 12, 2015 No, it really isn't. Most of us are tempted by many things in life, and most of us don't resort to force to get those things. But there has always been and likely always will be a minority who don't mind using force to get what they want, including sex. That's especially so where drugs and alcohol are involved When people resort to the use of that type of force, sex isnt what they are after. Quote
Smallc Posted February 12, 2015 Report Posted February 12, 2015 When people resort to the use of that type of force, sex isnt what they are after. How do you know? If that were the case, why bother with the sex? Oh, that's right, because sex is one of a man's primary interests. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted February 12, 2015 Report Posted February 12, 2015 How do you know? If that were the case, why bother with the sex? Oh, that's right, because sex is one of a man's primary interests. Yes but luckily the vast majority of us dont resort to violence to pursue it. When we do that there is likely some underlying feeling of inadequacy. Quote
Smallc Posted February 12, 2015 Report Posted February 12, 2015 And yet they go for sex, not just violence. Seems like it's at least partly about sex. Quote
jacee Posted February 12, 2015 Report Posted February 12, 2015 And yet they go for sex, not just violence. Seems like it's at least partly about sex. Rape is sex? You might want to inform potential sex partners of your belief that rape and sex are the same thing. :/ . Quote
Smallc Posted February 12, 2015 Report Posted February 12, 2015 Rape is sex? You might want to inform potential sex partners of your belief that rape and sex are the same thing. :/ . Rape is in fact sex, yes. It just so happens that it's forced sex and undesirable to one party. Quote
Big Guy Posted February 13, 2015 Author Report Posted February 13, 2015 I guess that one could consider rape to be some sort of sex if one's libido is aroused by inflicting pain on another person. But most people refer to those kind of feelings as sadism. I have never considered sadism as a form of sex. Most psychiatrists consider sadism as a personality disorder. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Bonam Posted February 13, 2015 Report Posted February 13, 2015 I guess that one could consider rape to be some sort of sex if one's libido is aroused by inflicting pain on another person. But most people refer to those kind of feelings as sadism. I have never considered sadism as a form of sex. Most psychiatrists consider sadism as a personality disorder. And yet BDSM is an increasingly common and accepted part of mainstream culture and sexuality. I'm sure homosexuality was also considered a disorder for a long time... until it wasn't anymore. The issue isn't of sadism, but of consent... that is the defining characteristic of rape: the lack of consent. Quote
cybercoma Posted February 13, 2015 Report Posted February 13, 2015 And yet BDSM is an increasingly common and accepted part of mainstream culture and sexuality. I'm sure homosexuality was also considered a disorder for a long time... until it wasn't anymore. The issue isn't of sadism, but of consent... that is the defining characteristic of rape: the lack of consent.BDSM isn't god damned rape though. Holy crap, you people are lost. Quote
Bonam Posted February 13, 2015 Report Posted February 13, 2015 BDSM isn't god damned rape though. Holy crap, you people are lost. Where did I claim it was? Your failure at reading comprehension is not an indication of other people being lost. For all your complaints about other people speaking for you, red herrings, and people misrepresenting you, you do the same at every turn. Sigh, where are the people that can debate anything rationally. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 13, 2015 Report Posted February 13, 2015 Where did I claim it was? You never did....and are certainly correct in observing previous societal values and criminal laws concerning "deviant" sexual behaviour and preferences. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
cybercoma Posted February 13, 2015 Report Posted February 13, 2015 Where did I claim it was? Your failure at reading comprehension is not an indication of other people being lost. For all your complaints about other people speaking for you, red herrings, and people misrepresenting you, you do the same at every turn. Sigh, where are the people that can debate anything rationally. What a dishonest BS sidestep you're taking. Why even bring up BDSM if not to compare it to the current line of discussion which is around rape and sexual assault? If your post has nothing to do with the topic, then why even bother bringing it up? My reading comprehension is just fine. You're just a dishonest debater or your ability to clearly convey your thoughts in writing is what's lacking. Quote
Argus Posted February 13, 2015 Report Posted February 13, 2015 What a dishonest BS sidestep you're taking. Why even bring up BDSM if not to compare it to the current line of discussion which is around rape and sexual assault? He didn't bring it up. Someone else brought it up with claims that sadism has nothing to do with sex and that only deviants and sick people would ever want to inflict pain. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted February 13, 2015 Report Posted February 13, 2015 I guess that one could consider rape to be some sort of sex if one's libido is aroused by inflicting pain on another person. This is moronic. By definition, rape is forced sex. I really don't get the absurdity of people trying to divorce sex from this discussion and pretend that it's not a heavy motivating factor in rape. I mean, sure there are some sickos out there who even rape old ladies. But the vast majority of rape victims are women of an age society considers to be most sexually attractive, despite the fact it would presumably be a lot easier to rape some frail old woman. People want to have sex with those they find attractive. Some will go to much greater lengths than others to accomplish that. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted February 13, 2015 Report Posted February 13, 2015 And yet BDSM is an increasingly common and accepted part of mainstream culture and sexuality. I'm sure homosexuality was also considered a disorder for a long time... until it wasn't anymore. The issue isn't of sadism, but of consent... that is the defining characteristic of rape: the lack of consent. But if you follow your logic here you seem to be suggesting that rape may be just disorder that may become acceptable like the two other practices you for whatever reason mixed in here. Quote
Bonam Posted February 13, 2015 Report Posted February 13, 2015 But if you follow your logic here you seem to be suggesting that rape may be just disorder that may become acceptable like the two other practices you for whatever reason mixed in here. No, that does not follow from "my logic". That being said, it is the norm throughout human history, and it remains so in many societies today (generally the very same societies that people like cybercoma get offended if we criticize). Quote
Bonam Posted February 13, 2015 Report Posted February 13, 2015 He didn't bring it up. Someone else brought it up with claims that sadism has nothing to do with sex and that only deviants and sick people would ever want to inflict pain. Thanks, at least someone here can follow a conversation for more than 1 post. Quote
Big Guy Posted February 13, 2015 Author Report Posted February 13, 2015 There still appear to be people who think that rape is some kind of sexual act. One that activates one's libido. I suggest that if you believe that or your libido is energized by the concept of rape then you have a major problem - even a bigger problem when you try to rationalize it as some kind of sexual act. Most rapists use the same excuse. As I posted in the past, the majority of rape victims are not women but men - why is that? I guess those who try to rationalize rape as a sexual act believe that these folks who are incarcerated then change their sexual preference and begin to rape as a sexual act. Though it is interesting to watch a poster trying to do a verbal tap dance of rationalization but digging themselves deeper and deeper into that hole of ignorance about love, sex and human interaction. But, most people mature through adolescence, into adulthood and begin to understand what healthy sex and human interaction is all about. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Bonam Posted February 13, 2015 Report Posted February 13, 2015 ... The condescension is strong with this one. Quote
jacee Posted February 13, 2015 Report Posted February 13, 2015 He didn't bring it up. Someone else brought it up with claims that sadism has nothing to do with sex and that only deviants and sick people would ever want to inflict pain. Actually the discussion was that rape is about power and violence, not about sex. ie rape IS an act of violence. I guess some people think only hitting someone is violence? . Quote
cybercoma Posted February 14, 2015 Report Posted February 14, 2015 (edited) He didn't bring it up. Someone else brought it up with claims that sadism has nothing to do with sex and that only deviants and sick people would ever want to inflict pain.You're talking about sadism and inflicting pain in terms of BDSM as being equal to rape. You're still equating the two here. That's the point. BDSM has no place in this discussion. Edited February 14, 2015 by cybercoma Quote
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