Smallc Posted February 14, 2015 Report Posted February 14, 2015 (edited) Of course rape has nothing to do with sex. That's why it never involves sexual acts. Never. Edited February 14, 2015 by Smallc Quote
Argus Posted February 14, 2015 Report Posted February 14, 2015 The condescension is strong with this one. Some people have an astonishingly elevated sense of their own intellectual abilities. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted February 14, 2015 Report Posted February 14, 2015 Of course tape has nothing to do with sex. That's why it never involves sexual acts. Never. Ya gotta wonder why they call it 'sexual assault' when there's clearly no sex involved... Perhaps Big Guy could call up the Solicitor General and inform him of this. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted February 14, 2015 Report Posted February 14, 2015 Actually the discussion was that rape is about power and violence, not about sex. ie rape IS an act of violence. I guess some people think only hitting someone is violence? . Rape is about sex. To say it's not about sex is ludicrous. Even for those nutbars who actually do plan it out and hate women and want to hurt them there's a sexual motivation which arises from some kind of perversion that happened to them in their early sexual development. Rape might well be violent, but you can't divorce the sexual element, and you can't say violence itself is the motivation or they'd be content to simply beat someone up. The motivation is sex. Even if you suggest that in some cases the motivation is the power trip of dominating and abusing a person that is still sexual to the rapist. But for drunken date rape, I really don't understand how anyone can not get that the motivation is sex. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Big Guy Posted February 14, 2015 Author Report Posted February 14, 2015 Sometimes to try to prove a point on anonymous boards, it is a successful tactic to find someone on the board who differs from you, is clearly mistaken and to set a stage, point a spotlight and encourage them to continue to tap dance in the light. It appears to be working in this thread. Knowledge and/or lack of knowledge of the issue soon becomes clear. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Smallc Posted February 14, 2015 Report Posted February 14, 2015 Sometimes to try to prove a point on anonymous boards, it is a successful tactic to find someone on the board who differs from you, is clearly mistaken and to set a stage, point a spotlight and encourage them to continue to tap dance in the light. It appears to be working in this thread. Knowledge and/or lack of knowledge of the issue soon becomes clear. I would agree. People that try to persuade all of us that attacks that always involve a sexual act are not sexual in nature are doing a lot of tap dancing. Quote
Big Guy Posted February 14, 2015 Author Report Posted February 14, 2015 (edited) I have no intention of trying to convince anybody of anything. I have a point of view based on what psychiatrists, psychologists and those dealing with sexuality explain rape to be. If you feel that shooting a woman through the breast is a sexual act or castrating a man is a sexual act then I would disagree with you. I guess we could get into a discussion as to what "sex" is or what "is" is. Some people feel that bestiality is a sex act or a sex related activity. Hey, whatever you believe. What bothers me are people who try to excuse their personal minority attitude towards what rape is and rationalize it as something less than an attempt to degrade, hurt and control another person. If one is able to get somebody to believe that rape is a form of sex then it is a short leap to start blaming the victim. "She was dressed "provocatively" so I couldn't control myself" is a common defense for assault. In prison, rape is used to maintain a hierarchy by forcing others into submission, humiliating them and exerting control. If you include prisons, more males are raped than women in North America. Rape is terrorist act used by militaries around the world to intimidate and terrorize others. The act of forceful penetration serves to not only hurt the victim but to "violate" their bodies and invade their most personal space. To fail to understand it and excuse it as some kind of healthy human response is a misogynistic mistake. Edited February 14, 2015 by Big Guy Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Argus Posted February 14, 2015 Report Posted February 14, 2015 Sometimes to try to prove a point on anonymous boards, it is a successful tactic to find someone on the board who differs from you, is clearly mistaken and to set a stage, point a spotlight and encourage them to continue to tap dance in the light. It appears to be working in this thread. Knowledge and/or lack of knowledge of the issue soon becomes clear. It's been clear since you first started posting, actually... Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted February 14, 2015 Report Posted February 14, 2015 (edited) I have no intention of trying to convince anybody of anything. Your lack of ambition in that regard is well-suited to your abilities to do so. Some people feel that bestiality is a sex act or a sex related activity. Just about everyone, I'd say. Edited February 14, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
WestCoastRunner Posted February 14, 2015 Report Posted February 14, 2015 Perhaps when you attempt to write a character you will find one more realistic and interesting than what you've created here on this web site. Well, yes. It isn't all about me. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
WestCoastRunner Posted February 14, 2015 Report Posted February 14, 2015 I would agree. People that try to persuade all of us that attacks that always involve a sexual act are not sexual in nature are doing a lot of tap dancing. Raping an individual is not a sexual act, it is a violent act consisting of physical assault on another human being. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Argus Posted February 14, 2015 Report Posted February 14, 2015 (edited) Raping an individual is not a sexual act, it is a violent act consisting of physical assault on another human being. And yet, for some completely unexplainable reason, the crime is called SEXUAL assault! Edited February 14, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
WestCoastRunner Posted February 14, 2015 Report Posted February 14, 2015 And yet, for some completely unexplainable reason, the crime is called SEXUAL assault! Glad you recognized the word 'assault'! Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Guest Posted February 15, 2015 Report Posted February 15, 2015 I guess you could say that if you hit someone with a baseball bat, it's not about the baseball. I don't know though. A person can assualt without raping, so why rape? There must be a sexual interest on the part of the perpetrator at some point, one would think. Quote
Argus Posted February 15, 2015 Report Posted February 15, 2015 I guess you could say that if you hit someone with a baseball bat, it's not about the baseball. I don't know though. A person can assualt without raping, so why rape? There must be a sexual interest on the part of the perpetrator at some point, one would think. One would think that would be a minimum requirement in order to get an erection, but what do I know? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted February 15, 2015 Report Posted February 15, 2015 One would think that would be a minimum requirement in order to get an erection, but what do I know? Apparently not much about rape. Trying to use sexual arousal as some sort of juicy rationalization is nothing more than just that. Quote
Argus Posted February 15, 2015 Report Posted February 15, 2015 Apparently not much about rape. Trying to use sexual arousal as some sort of juicy rationalization is nothing more than just that. Are you saying sexual arousal is not necessary to get an erection? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted February 15, 2015 Report Posted February 15, 2015 (edited) Are you saying sexual arousal is not necessary to get an erection? I certainly am. Men regularly get erections while they sleep. More to the point of this discussion, the anticipation of a, usually planned violent act coupled with dominance, will provide the necessary blood flow in the mind of a rapist. Edited February 15, 2015 by On Guard for Thee Quote
Argus Posted February 15, 2015 Report Posted February 15, 2015 I certainly am. Men regularly get erections while they sleep. More to the point of this discussion, the anticipation of a, usually planned violent act coupled with dominance, will provide the necessary blood flow in the mind of a rapist. You know, this is the first time I've ever seen the suggestion that a man can rape a woman and yet not be sexually aroused. I'm afraid I'm going to need some supporting evidence. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Big Guy Posted March 4, 2015 Author Report Posted March 4, 2015 The process of restorative justice seems to be working. The goal of dealing with any conflict or confrontation is that there is a meeting of minds of victim and perpetrator and that all are satisfied with the resolution. http://www.dal.ca/cultureofrespect/open-statement-from-restorative-justice-participants.html It appears that the process has worked in this case. I am impressed with the process and would like to see it applied in more instances. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Michael Hardner Posted March 4, 2015 Report Posted March 4, 2015 I am impressed with the process and would like to see it applied in more instances. I like such processes too, as they can be adapted to the needs of the human beings who are part of this unlike a 'system' that assumes the worst of everyone, and is based on precedents that may not apply. I want to hear from those affected, though, that they're ok with it and that this isn't a whitewash. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Big Guy Posted March 4, 2015 Author Report Posted March 4, 2015 To Michael - In that letter I referenced, there is a section from those women who were in the course and their views on the issue. My understanding is that everyone was allowed to air their views. The first section was from the men involved, the second from the women and the last a joint statement to which both sides have signed on to. What group affected do you feel has not expressed their views? Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Michael Hardner Posted March 4, 2015 Report Posted March 4, 2015 What group affected do you feel has not expressed their views? I didn't realize that the co-sign was a part of it. I guess the only thing to do is wait to see if there are any other people who come forward to complain about the process. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
jacee Posted May 13, 2015 Report Posted May 13, 2015 An excellent clarification of consent: http://www.theloop.ca/this-woman-just-explained-consent-with-the-most-perfect-metaphor/ If youre still struggling, just imagine instead of initiating sex, youre making them a cup of tea. You say, Hey, would you like a cup of tea? and they go, OMG, f*ck yes, I would f*cking LOVE a cup of tea! Thank you! Then you know they want a cup of tea. If you say, Hey, would you like a cup of tea? and they um and ahh and say, Im not really sure then you can make them a cup of tea or not, but be aware that they might not drink it, and if they dont drink it then this is the important bit dont make them drink it. If they are unconscious, dont make them tea. Unconscious people cant answer the question, Do you want tea? because they are unconscious. Quote
Guest Posted May 13, 2015 Report Posted May 13, 2015 (edited) What if they're drunk? You ask them, would you like a cup of tea, or would you like to take my Mustang to the gas station? If they say they want a cup of tea, you better not make them one, but if they take the Mustang to the gas station, well, then they know what they are doing. Edited May 13, 2015 by bcsapper Quote
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