Hudson Jones Posted December 15, 2014 Author Report Posted December 15, 2014 No, government sanctioned residential schools is genocide. Bombing a city.... is just bombing a city. If I may: gen·o·cide ˈjenəˌsīd/ noun the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation. . Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 15, 2014 Report Posted December 15, 2014 .... Are Israel and U.S. fair game and should be attacked preemptively because they have said "all options are on the table" and the Adelsons are calling for dropping the bomb on Tehran? No. Of course not. Sure...go for it. Iran attacked Iraq's Osirak nuclear power plant in 1980 for far less. Iran helped to develop the idea of a pre-emptive strike in accordance with "international law". Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Hudson Jones Posted December 15, 2014 Author Report Posted December 15, 2014 (edited) Sure...go for it. Iran attacked Iraq's Osirak nuclear power plant in 1980 for far less. Iran helped to develop the idea of a pre-emptive strike in accordance with "international law". Uh oh. There you go again trying to draw some kind of a parallel with something that you cannot. It's a bad habit you have. Iran did not drop an atomic bomb in the middle of Baghdad. What we are talking about is your failure and other's failure to condemn Adelson for calling to drop an atomic bomb in the middle of the capital city, which is, by definition, a genocide. They even held back because: Due to last minute Iranian concerns that the reactor had been already fueled and could release radioactive fallout if hit, they did not attack the actual reactor dome, but the control room, research/centrifuge facilities, and the adjacent buildings. The targets were struck and the buildings were damaged, along with the plant cooling mechanisms. Two other F-4s simultaneously hit Baghdad's main power plant, knocking the city's electricity out for nearly two days. The Iraqis denied any major damage. The French and Italian technicians promptly left Iraq Edited December 15, 2014 by Hudson Jones Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 15, 2014 Report Posted December 15, 2014 (edited) Uh oh. There you go again trying to draw some kind of a parallel with something that you cannot. It's a bad habit you have. Iran did not drop an atomic bomb in the middle of Baghdad. What we are talking about is your failure and other's failure to condemn Adelson for calling to drop an atomic bomb in the middle of the capital city, which is, by definition, a genocide. Meh....Iran pre-emptively attacked another nation's nuclear facilities....but they screwed it up. The policy has precedent in the region. "Drop an atomic bomb in the middle of the capital city" is just ignorant drama. There are far more effective ways to do it ! Adelson has the right to say whatever the hell he pleases....no stupid hate speech laws as in Canada. Edited December 15, 2014 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guest Posted December 15, 2014 Report Posted December 15, 2014 (edited) If I may: gen·o·cide ˈjenəˌsīd/ noun the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation. . I don't think the act of bombing a city would be regarded as genocide. I've never heard the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki referred to as genocide, or attempted genocide. I think the "large group of people" would have to be a significant majority of the racial or ethnic group in question. As Tehran has a population of roughly fifteen percent of Iran, and a nuclear bomb probably wouldn't kill half of them (guessing here), I don't think it would qualify. Edited December 15, 2014 by bcsapper Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 15, 2014 Report Posted December 15, 2014 Agreed....but everything and anything is now elevated to the level of "genocide" for dramatic political effect. Won't be long before cutting off internet service or cable TV is considered to be genocide ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Hudson Jones Posted December 16, 2014 Author Report Posted December 16, 2014 Agreed....but everything and anything is now elevated to the level of "genocide" for dramatic political effect. Won't be long before cutting off internet service or cable TV is considered to be genocide ! Yes.,, dramatic political effect. As if dropping an A-bomb is not dramatic enough. Get a grip. How about massacre? Annihilate? Slaughter? Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
Bob Macadoo Posted December 16, 2014 Report Posted December 16, 2014 I don't think the act of bombing a city would be regarded as genocide. I've never heard the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki referred to as genocide, or attempted genocide. I think the "large group of people" would have to be a significant majority of the racial or ethnic group in question. As Tehran has a population of roughly fifteen percent of Iran, and a nuclear bomb probably wouldn't kill half of them (guessing here), I don't think it would qualify. That was a good bit of moral pretzelry. It would depend on the "who" as opposed to the count. If you destroyed the culture as the capital housed their cultural data. That would contribute.I guess the Armenians appreciate your support for the Turks...... Quote
Guest Posted December 16, 2014 Report Posted December 16, 2014 That was a good bit of moral pretzelry. It would depend on the "who" as opposed to the count. If you destroyed the culture as the capital housed their cultural data. That would contribute. I guess the Armenians appreciate your support for the Turks...... The Armenians have never met me. So to you then, the bombings of Mainland Japan at the end of WWii were an attempt at genocide by the US government? Hamburg and Dresden? The Blitz? I suppose you are entitled to your own definitions of words, if you want. Quote
Bob Macadoo Posted December 16, 2014 Report Posted December 16, 2014 So to you then, the bombings of Mainland Japan at the end of WWii were an attempt at genocide by the US government? I will say that the continued existence of the mainland Japanese culture was of zero importance to the US gov't.To follow that if a nuclear detonation was set off in Trois Riviere (midway between Montreal/Qc City) it would not be considered genocide of the Quebecois? Quote
Guest Posted December 16, 2014 Report Posted December 16, 2014 If the aim of any action is to destroy an ethnic group then it is an attempt at genocide. In the case you cite, it would probably be successful. Canadian demographics are not a strong point of mine. I have no idea how many Quebecois would be left. However, if it was a hand grenade. it would not be genocide. So obviously, the numbers matter. As does intent. I stand by my original post. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 16, 2014 Report Posted December 16, 2014 ....How about massacre? Annihilate? Slaughter? Much better....let us reserve "genocide" for the specific circumstances it was intended. Because if attacking a city with nuclear or conventional weapons is genocide, welcome to the club ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Hudson Jones Posted December 16, 2014 Author Report Posted December 16, 2014 Much better....let us reserve "genocide" for the specific circumstances it was intended. Because if attacking a city with nuclear or conventional weapons is genocide, welcome to the club ! So why are you okay with a nuclear bomb massacre? I'm trying to understand your psyche and label you. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 16, 2014 Report Posted December 16, 2014 So why are you okay with a nuclear bomb massacre? I'm trying to understand your psyche and label you. I have always been a huge fan of applied physics. Label me as what I am....a former SSBN weapons officer ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Martin Meevu Posted November 9, 2025 Report Posted November 9, 2025 Interesting twist today: seeing revelations about Sheldon Adelson’s $40 million hit makes me rethink my deposits at PayID Casinos. Payment trails stronger than you think? Quote
Nationalist Posted November 16, 2025 Report Posted November 16, 2025 This has been an interesting read. @bush_cheney2004, I appreciate your logic. Israel could have leveled Gaza the first week and it still would not reach the level of "genocide". The term has been abused by people who feel a compulsion to use shock to express their disapproval. But by this rather warped logic, "genocide" is fairly common. Forcing these people into a moral dilemma. Be that as it may...war...real war is not pretty. The very idea that there should be rules, is a delusion. War tosses man into a life or death situation. When faced with that, all rules are off. Having said that, I dont appreciate the comments of Adelson. I find real Zionists...distasteful. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
SpankyMcFarland Posted January 24 Report Posted January 24 Can anyone describe a similar event to this in occurring in Britain or Canada? A notorious American traitor is flown to the country in a luxury jet and greeted like a hero by the Prime Minister at the airport? Quote Jonathan Pollard, the former US Navy analyst who spent 30 years in prison for spying for Israel, has flown to Tel Aviv a month after a travel ban ended. Mr Pollard, 66, and his wife Esther were greeted at the airport by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who recited a Jewish blessing with them. "You're home," Mr Netanyahu said, before handing over an Israeli ID card. Mr Pollard was arrested in 1985 and given a life sentence after pleading guilty to selling US secrets to Israel. He said he had been frustrated by the US withholding key intelligence from its staunch ally. Quote The Pollards flew to Israel from the US state of New Jersey on board a private jet owned by US billionaire Sheldon Adelson and his wife Miriam. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-55484433 Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
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