kactus Posted June 14, 2016 Report Posted June 14, 2016 You're dealing in hypothetical events. I'm sticking to real history as that is what counts. It was just a point to prove to tell you that you wouldn't have cared about iran under shah if iran was hostile towards israel. Same way that you think nationalisation of oil by mossadegh was a a pre text for a bolshevik style coup de tat... Quote
eyeball Posted June 14, 2016 Report Posted June 14, 2016 Sticking? Flittng about history like a crack-addicted hummingbird is more like it. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
DogOnPorch Posted June 14, 2016 Report Posted June 14, 2016 It was just a point to prove to tell you that you wouldn't have cared about iran under shah if iran was hostile towards israel. Same way that you think nationalisation of oil by mossadegh was a a pre text for a bolshevik style coup de tat... Iran and Israel were friends under The Shah. Nationalizing oil for Mossadeq was stealing BP's oil rigs. Not a good start to negotiations. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted June 14, 2016 Report Posted June 14, 2016 Sticking? Flittng about history like a crack-addicted hummingbird is more like it. Insults. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
kactus Posted June 14, 2016 Report Posted June 14, 2016 Iran and Israel were friends under The Shah. Nationalizing oil for Mossadeq was stealing BP's oil rigs. Not a good start to negotiations. It proves my point that democracy in an oil rich country cannot co exist with western interest in oil back then. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted June 14, 2016 Report Posted June 14, 2016 It proves my point that democracy in an oil rich country cannot co exist with western interest in oil back then. Iran only became autocratic under The Shah later on in his reign...after the religious nut-jobs started their mischief. This was...like all absolute power types...a desperate move to keep power. But the religious faction in Iran was huge and powerful...and made much out of Iran's friendship with the hated Jews. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
kactus Posted June 14, 2016 Report Posted June 14, 2016 Iran only became autocratic under The Shah later on in his reign...after the religious nut-jobs started their mischief. This was...like all absolute power types...a desperate move to keep power. But the religious faction in Iran was huge and powerful...and made much out of Iran's friendship with the hated Jews. None sense! Whar are you on about??? Shah did not hold on to power. Infact he ordered the release of all prisoners and some critics called him "lenient" Quote
DogOnPorch Posted June 15, 2016 Report Posted June 15, 2016 None sense! Whar are you on about??? Shah did not hold on to power. Infact he ordered the release of all prisoners and some critics called him "lenient" It was President Jimmy Carter that forced The Shah to release the religious 'political prisoners' he had locked-up. They immediately began to agitate for an Islamic revolution. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
kactus Posted June 15, 2016 Report Posted June 15, 2016 It was President Jimmy Carter that forced The Shah to release the religious 'political prisoners' he had locked-up. They immediately began to agitate for an Islamic revolution. Bottom line...Point is you want to discredit every nation just because they have adapted Islam and want islam completely removed from the Middle East, since you see this as a threat to Israel. Enquiring minds like to know....What business has a Canadian citizen living miles away from Middle East (as you claim) got with Israel? Quote
DogOnPorch Posted June 15, 2016 Report Posted June 15, 2016 Bottom line...Point is you want to discredit every nation just because they have adapted Islam and want islam completely removed from the Middle East, since you see this as a threat to Israel. Enquiring minds like to know....What business has a Canadian citizen living miles away from Middle East (as you claim) got with Israel? Bottom line: you don't know your own country's history. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
kactus Posted June 15, 2016 Report Posted June 15, 2016 Bottom line: you don't know your own country's history. Who said it was my country? Quote
DogOnPorch Posted June 15, 2016 Report Posted June 15, 2016 Who said it was my country? Now why would a non-Iranian be interested in Iran? Inquiring minds want to know.... Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted June 15, 2016 Report Posted June 15, 2016 Now why would a non-Iranian be interested in Iran? Inquiring minds want to know.... You are a non-Israeli, yet ...... Quote
DogOnPorch Posted June 15, 2016 Report Posted June 15, 2016 You are a non-Israeli, yet ...... Esteemed member kactus has been asking me that for weeks. My turn... Anything to add about Iran, GH? Who am I kidding, eh? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
kactus Posted June 15, 2016 Report Posted June 15, 2016 Now why would a non-Iranian be interested in Iran? Inquiring minds want to know.... You are the one who is being judgmental about my nationality....Duh! On the other hand you claim you are canadian with "no care for Israel" yet.... Quote
DogOnPorch Posted June 15, 2016 Report Posted June 15, 2016 You are the one who is being judgmental about my nationality....Duh! On the other hand you claim you are canadian with "no care for Israel" yet.... Don't care about Israel. Never been there...no plans of going. The one thing I notice about the place is its history as I'm interested in military history...and they kicked Arab rear every time the Arabs attacked. You are interested in Israel for other reasons....religious, I'm assuming. Iran: same deal. This is what 4 years of post-secondary history gets you...lots of trivia. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
eyeball Posted June 15, 2016 Report Posted June 15, 2016 The trivial way you piece history together gets you squat. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
DogOnPorch Posted June 15, 2016 Report Posted June 15, 2016 The trivial way you piece history together gets you squat. Insults. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
eyeball Posted June 15, 2016 Report Posted June 15, 2016 The shoe fits nonetheless. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
DogOnPorch Posted June 15, 2016 Report Posted June 15, 2016 The shoe fits nonetheless. Off topic. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
eyeball Posted June 15, 2016 Report Posted June 15, 2016 You're saying history is off topic? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
DogOnPorch Posted June 15, 2016 Report Posted June 15, 2016 You're saying history is off topic? You are. Discuss Iran...since you don't get banned for being off-topic and insulting. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
eyeball Posted June 15, 2016 Report Posted June 15, 2016 Iran was the key to Middle East peace and as history shows we took that key away. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
DogOnPorch Posted June 15, 2016 Report Posted June 15, 2016 Iran was the key to Middle East peace and as history shows we took that key away. No we didn't. Iran is a grown-up...with its own responsibilities. The soft bigotry of low expectations won't allow you to see that the Iranian Army wanted the guy gone...so gone he was. Or do you imagine the coup being led by shadowy James Bonds hiding behind curtains directing the less intelligent Persian brains? Or do you imagine that the Iranian Army wasn't involved at all and this was all accomplished by Kermit Roosevelt and a pearl handled six-shooter? The CIA's role isn't a secret. They provided $$$ so less interested generals were suddenly very interested...and a big fat cargo plane (unmarked...no doubt) to shuffle The Shah around and prevent the Tudehs and Mossadeq from arresting him. It worked. Can't go back in time... Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
kactus Posted June 15, 2016 Report Posted June 15, 2016 (edited) Operation Ajax 1953 is approved even by CIA's own involvement in toppling Dr Mossadegh... "In August 2013, 60 years after the coup, the American Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) admitted that it was involved in both its planning and its execution, including the bribing of Iranian politicians, security and army high-ranking officials, as well as pro-coup propaganda.[11][12] The CIA is quoted acknowledging the coup was carried out "under CIA direction" and "as an act of U.S. foreign policy, conceived and approved at the highest levels of government."[13] Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27état Edited June 15, 2016 by kactus Quote
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