“The thing about Bibi is, he’s a chickenshit,” - Obama Admin Official

[PIK]

When the anti semitics scream for links they are on the run.

[Rue]

I will now make an effort to specifically address what Bubba refuses to debate and directly relate it to this thread's failed attempt to incite hatred against Israel by giggling at one of Obama's aides anonymously calling Netanyahu a "chickenshit". Of course I do not expect Bubba or his entourage to read it. It wil contain more than one sentence and more than one verb.

I and many others contend that President Obama’s anti Israel bias during his 8 years in office is a fact as are the anti-Israel advisors and friends he has surrounded himself with that reflect in his approach to Israel.

In fact when Obama was elected I defended his choice of allies and advisors while people like Bush Chaney, JBG and others on this board warned long ago Obama was tied to the Muslim Brotherhood and I dismissed their warnings. I have however had the integrity to come back on this board and tell all those people I stand corrected by them.

To trace the origins of Obama's anti Israel and for that matter anti Egypt bias is not difficult. Its all on public domain and to state this information only exists because wing nuts created it on wing nut sites as Bubba has is nonsensical as I will now prove.

To start with Obama does not deny his critical anti-Israel bias. He makes no bones about it. He has never hidden it. He has repeatedly fought with Netanyahu, made it clear in public when and why he disagrees with him and when caught on an open mike with the former French President insulting Netanyahu never apologized.

Obama’s bias clearly starts with his family origins and to pretend it does not is also absurd. His half brother Malik is a principal fund raiser for the Muslim Brotherhood and his step-father who was a member of the Muslim Brotherhood so to pretend this has not influenced him is idiotic.

A quick summary of some of his closest friends and appointments also reflect his bias, for example;

1- Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Trinity United Church of Christ, Chicago

Reverend Wrigh’s openly anti-semitic and anti-Israel diatribes are easily found on public domain. He baptized both of Obama’s daughters, performed his wedding, and continues to be described by Obama as his spiritual advisor anda great man. On December 4, 2007, Wright was named as a member of the Obama presidential campaign's newly created African American Religious Leadership Committee but had to be removed within 3 months for his hateful diatribes

2- Rashid Khalidi and the Arab American Action Network

Rashid Khalidi, was a professor of Near Eastern Languages and Civilizations at the University of Chicago when Obama lectured in Law at the same university and Obama and his wife were regular dinner guests at Khalidi’s Hyde Park home. Khalidi was a member of the PLO's so-called “guidance committee” and founded the Arab American Action Network (AAAN) an organization dedicated to the dismantling of Israel. Anyone can find out what this organization stands for and it should be noted in 2001 and a 2002, the Woods Fund of Chicago, where Obama serving on its board, provided $75,000 to the AAAN.

3-Ali Abunimah

This ally of Obama’s and a former Vice President of the AAAN created Electronic Intifada, a website that, like AAAN is openly anti Israel and anti-semitic.

4- Ingrid Mattson

In January of 2009, Obama chose the above individual, the leader of the Islamic Society of North America, a group directly connected to the Muslim Brotherhood to say a prayer for him.

He invited this group to the white House and has referred to it many times as one of his leading sources of guidance in Middle East policy, Less then a year after this woman gave her prayer, Obama sent one of his senior advisers, Valerie Jarrett, who is openly anti Israel to be the keynote speaker at ISNA’s national convention where it denounced Israel for existing repeatedly. It should also be noted two days after Ms, Mattson’s prayer, the first international leader Obama chose to call was Mahmoud Abbas of the Palestinian Authority. The symbol behind that message was clear.

6- Robert Malley, Samantha Power, Zbigniew Brezinski

Robert Malley refers to himself as the Mideast Director of the International Crisis Group (ICG) and using that position as his soap box has written a continuing series of posts calling on the US to detach from Israel and make alliances with Turkey, Syria, Hezbollah, Iran and Hamas an and distance itself from Egypt and Israel and the Kurds. He worked as a consult in this group with Samantha Power, later appointed UN Ambassador by Obama and Zbigniew Brezinski the openly anti semitic, anti Israeli, pro Iranian former National Security Adviser and Secretary of State to Jimmy Carter who Obama appointed his chief Middle East advisor despite being 80. Power and Brezinski are openly anti Israel.

In 2007, Obama appointed Malley a foreign-policy advisor to the Obama presidential campaign but then panicked and had to cut him loose when the Times of London exposed Malley as having been in regular communication with Hamas prior to and during his work for Obama in 2008 while on the campaign trail Obama was saying Hamas was a terrorist organization and should not be recognized until it disarmed, recognized Israel as a Jewish state and threw out its Charter calling for the destruction of israel .

Obama denied knowing Malley had been regularly communicating with Hamas during his campaign and suddenly Malley dropped out mysteriously but it did not stop Obama from hiring the remaining two partners in his consulting firm and the result-well the same Obama who called Hamas a criminal organization and must recognize Israel and denounce terror on the campaign trail in 2008, not 5 years later when Hamas joined the Palestinian Authority in a unity government was lecturing Israel it must negotiate with Hamas, that recognizing Israel as a Jewish state to arrive at a peace treaty was not required and even went further and stated Hamas need not amend its charter or disarm as part of any peace treaty.

During the recent Hamas-Israel conflict, John Kerry openly advised Hamas not to agree to a peace treaty drafted by Egypt causing the conflict to drag on an additional 3 weeks before Hamas agreed to the exact same treaty.

As per the advise of these 3, the US has turned on Egypt and Israel, made overtures to Iran going so far as to remove time lines on any negotiations with Iran as to dismantling nuclear weapons and leaked to the press through unnamed sources in his office the location of air strips in Azerberjan that the Israeli air force had secured and could be used to launch an air attack on Iran. At this time Power and Obama as well as John Kerry have stopped referring to Hezbollah and Hamas as terrorist organizations and stated they can work with them as well as Iran.

7-Arif Alikhan

In April of 2009, President Obama appointed then Los Angeles Deputy Mayor Arif Alikhan as the Assistant Secretary for Policy Development at the Department of Homeland Security. It is public fact that two weeks before he received this appointment, Alikhan who openly states Hezbollah is not a terrorist organization but a liberation movement, participated in a fundraiser for the Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC), which is directly linked to the Muslim Brotherhood.

This individual provided access to security files to a wide list of advisors who then deleted numerous files, references to the Muslim Brotherhood’s connection to Hamas, ISIL, Al Quaeda and has been a principal advisor in a program to have the FBI stand down from investigating specific anti-Israeli Muslim political interest groups in the U.S. Alikhan has openly stated he has been a principal player in alleviating Islamaphobia in the states.

8-Dalia Mogahed

The above was appointed his chief adviser on Islamic affairs. Along with Feisal Abdul Rauf, former Secretary of State MadeleineAlbright, and former US diplomat Dennis Ross, Mogahed was part of the, “ Leadership Group on U.S.-Muslim Engagement “, which is on record in September 2008 for having issued a 154-page recommendation paper, adopted by the Obama administration. This paper specifically called on the U.S. to back the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, form an alliance with Hamas and Iran and detach from Israel.

It is a fact that on October 2009, Mogahed went on British t.v. with Ibtihal Bsis, of the Muslim extremist Hizb ut Tahrir party (dedicated to turning he world into one Muslim caliphate state). Mogahed sat and never challenged this individual has he stated the world needed to be turned into a Muslim caliphate. She just sat and smiled. When it was her turn to speak she did lecture her audience that she believed the majority of Muslim women around the world felt Islamic Law provided them with "gender justice.

9. appointment of other openly anti Israeli advisors

• In 2011, Imam Mohamed Magid to the “ Countering Violent Extremism Working Group with the Department of Homeland Security

• Mohamed Elibiary advisor to the Department of Homeland Security who is on record as stating at a Texas conference that Iran's Ayatollah Khomeini was a "great Islamic visionary." Elibiary sits on the Department of Homeland Security's Advisory Council and was granted access to a nationwide database that contained terror watch lists and sensitive FBI reports, which he then leaked to the media accusing the us of engaging in "Islamophobia"

• Eboo Patel first appointed to President Barack Obama's inaugural Advisory Council on Faith and someone who continues to make openly anti Jewish, anti Christian, anti Bahaii, and anti Bhuddist statements

• Rashad Hussain, originally a trial attorney in the US Dept. of Justice and then Associate Counsel to Obama’s transition who on February 13, 2010 was appointed as the United States Special Envoy to the Organization of Islamic Cooperation and then awarded in January 2013 the Distinguished Honor Award for "exceptionally outstanding service to the agencies of the U.S. Government because as Obama claimed, Hussain is an advocate for the protection of religious minorities in Muslim-majority countries-in fact the OIC is against the creation of a world anti-terrorist convention and has defended repeatedly the use of Mukbarat political police orces in Muslim nations to arrest those questioning Sharia (Muslim religious) law

• Salam al-Marayati one of the original founders of the Muslim Public Affairs Council and now the director of “Al-Marayati” an anti Israel pro Muslim extremist organization (he’s also amember of the Executive Committee of the California Democratic Party). In 2012 al-Marayati was appointed by the President to the U..S. delegation to the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe forum in Poland. This is a man who openly stated that Israel Jewish state should be added to the list of 9/11 terror suspects and denied 9-11 was related to Osama ben Laden or any Muslim terrorist organizations suggesting Israel engaged in the attack

• Chuck Hagel, Secretary of Defence, John O. Brennan, Director of the CIA both openly anti Israel

The anti Israeli views of the above are public fact. These people are openly anti Israeli and state so.

The above individuals are just some of the many advisors and allies Obama has made clear he follows on Middle East policy.

It also explains directly why he formed an alliance with Erdogan of Turkey and Morsi of Egypt and to this day has the most strained relations with Egypt and Israel that have ever existed between these nations.

Here is a brief list of just a few of the actions taken by Obama that show his bias:

• his decision to call Abbas as the first foreign leader after his inauguration in 2009

• in July of 2009, President Obama while with American Jewish leaders at the White House told them he sought to put "daylight" between America and Israel and stated on record for the media; "For eight years [i.e., during the Bush administration], there was no light between the United States and Israel, and nothing got accomplished," . At this meeting he told these leaders that Israel needed "to engage in serious self-reflection."

• in May of 2010, when President Obama signed the Daniel Pearl Press Freedom Act, Obama did not mention that Pearl, the late Wall Street Journal reporter, had been beheaded by Islamist terrorists because he was a Jew; the President deliberately did not mention that in the video recorded of Pearl’s murder, Pearl had been forced to state specifically that he was an American Jew; in so doing he insulted Pearl’s family and when asked why he refused to state the above said it was not important further insulting the family

• in early 2010, he openly endorsed the Turkish terror organization IHH which has direct ties to Hamas, al Qaeda, and the Muslim Brotherhood and is funded by his Muslim Brotherhood ally Erdogan; this organization of course arranged six-ship flotilla to try break the naval embargo and when Erdogan called Israel a terrorist country for not lifting the embargo Obama’s response was to repeat the same thing but leave out the word terrorist telling Israel to lift the embargo knowing at the time Hamas was arming itself to attack Israel which Obama later admitted

• in June of 2010 after his own intelligence, German, Egyptian, Israel and British intelligence told him Hamas was preparing for war he sent an extra $400 million in “humanitarian aid” to the Palestinians of the West Bank and Gaza Strip with no restrictions in addition to $600 million in aid which the U.S. was already sending to the Palestinian Authority each year

• on July 25, 2010 allowing the PA to fly its flag outside its office in Washington, D.C. violating international protocol that only sovereign states fly their country’s flags

• during his Rosh Hashanah message in 2010, Obama again deliberately insulted jewish Americans by refusing t make any reference to the contribution to the United States by Jews and on this religious non political occasion decided to turn it political lecturing Jewish Americans that they should encourage the creation of a Palestinian state

• openly supported Morsi, the Muslim Brotherhood, and Erdogan and when provided intelligence Morsi was allowing Hamas to use Egypt to bring in weapons and launch attacks on Israel remained silent-he also remained silent as Erdogan and Morsi both referred to Israel as a terrorist state and stayed silent as Morsi engaged in open incitement in speeches leading to attacks on Coptic Christians and to a lesser extent Jews

• In March of 2012, Foreign Policy magazine reported that "several high-level sources" in the Obama administration released to them public information regarding Israel's secret relationship with Azerbaijan, that would have allowed Israeli planes to refuel on their way to or from an air strike against Iran's nuclear facilities

• On April 28, 2012, Obama waived the Palestinian Accountability Act's freeze on U.S. funding for the Palestinian Authority (PA) removing any restrictions as to how the money would be spent

• On September 4, 2012, Obama ordered the redrafting of the 2008 Democratic Party platform to avoid any references to supporting Israel and interestingly the words, “The creation of a Palestinian state should resolve the issue of Palestinian refugees by allowing them to settle there, rather than in Israel.” was entirely removed.

• In September of 2012, said the US would not hold Iran to any deadline as it once did in terms of standing down from making nuclear weapons

• On Sept. 20, 2012, Obama exluded Israel from attendance at a world meeting entitled, “ Victims of Terrorism “ held in Madrid and refused Israeli membership to his newly created forum, the Global Counterterrorism Forum (GCTF). Interestingly of its 20 members, 11 are members of the the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC),( including Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, Jordan and Egypt) and the OIC is against the drafting of any anti terrorist convention or international law. What is also interesting is that the US a member of the 5 eyes intelligence alliance with Australia, New Zealand, Canada and the UK depends directly on Israel for much Middle East intelligence-this is now believed compromised because of Obama’s decision forcing the Germans to act as unofficial liaison for Israel now on certain information as the relations are so strained with Israel the intelligence sharing is impaired-this impairment has also been caused by Obama’s decision to allow the pro Muslim Brotherhood advisors I mentioned above access to sensitive Homeland Security and counter intelligence information from the FBI that has caused chaos in information exchanges at this time between these nations not to mention its cut off from Egyptian intelligence and Obama’s decision to spy on Germany has caused a strain with that country and it is believe that spying was tied to Germany becoming closer with Israel as Obama distanced himself from it and sending Israel 6 state of the art submarines to counter Iranian naval expansion

• On March 8, 2014, through U.S. State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki, Obama’s anti Israel position was stated in an interview with the Al-Quds newspaper a Psaki said “There is no need for the Palestinians to recognize Israel as a Jewish state. The American stance is clear in that it recognizes Israel as a Jewish state, but there is no need for the Palestinians to recognize it as such in a final agreement.”- As stated earlier when hen running to be President in 2008, Obama stated Hamas was a terrorist organization and stated that there should be no recognition of Hamas until they recognize Israel however on June 2, 2014, when the Palestinians formed the “government of national unity” led by Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Rami Hamdallah and backed by Hamas, Obama stated the US would work with Hamas and it had already made clear in March 2014 as I stated above it had abandon the belief that Hamas or the PA had to recognize Israel as a Jewish state.

• On July 9, 2014 in Tel Aviv, while Israel was under attack by Hamas and Islamic Jihad and millions of Israelis were being forced into air shelters, Obama sent Philip Gordon, the White House Coordinator for the Middle East, North Africa, and the Gulf Region to give a speech at the Haaretz Conference on Peace at which time Israel was criticized repeatedly for not wanting peace

• to date Obama continues to lecture Israel tha they should withdraw to permanent borders based on the 1967 lines with “mutually agreed swaps”. When asked what that means he has several times stated it means a Palestine state should have territory within 1967 Israel to allow its citizens to travel to Egypt and Jordan but on the other hand, Israel does NOT need borders with Jordan and Egypt. He has also stated Israel should withdraw unilaterally and it is not necessary that Hamas or the PA or anyone else recognize their right to be a Jewish state or disarm their terrorists or give up their charters calling for the Islamification of Israel

• In late September 2014, State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki indicated that Israel and the United States were not on the same page regarding the scope of Islamic terror in the Middle East and restated Obama’s belief that the US should ally with Iran and Hezbollah to go after ISIL and did not consider ISIL the same as Hamas or Hezbollah or Al Quaeda/Al Nusra

• On October 24, 2014, a Palestinian teenager was shot and killed by an IDF soldier while attempting to throw a Molotov cocktail at Israeli civilians and was subsequently buried wearing a green Hamas headband yet the State Dept. spokeswoman Jen Psaki said their was no proof he was affiliated with Hamas

The above is just a short list.

To say Obama is anti Israel is an understatement.

Now to be clear, he has a right to be. He has a right to his beliefs. That is not the issue. The issue I am stating is not that he has a right to be anti Israeli, but that Bubba trying to pretend he is not and has not surrounded himself with people reflecting his bias and that to say so is wingnut is absurd.

I would argue like all politicians Obama said one thing to get elected while having a different agenda.

I believe like all politicians was nottruthful or direct with the American people on his actual views as to the Middle East during both his election campaigns.

I would argue to get re-elected he never hid but he downplayed his pro Muslim Brotherhood views.

Such is politics.

Also to be fair, he openly expresses his biases against Israel. He has not hidden them.

have not listed his comments that criticize Israeli settlements on the West Bank. I believe that is fair game. Many in Israel who are Israeli criticize settlement policies and many Zionists like myself do as well so I deliberately did not list those issues.

That in itself is fair game. I am not arguing he must be pro Israel o look the other way on the settlement obstacles.

I am also not arguing that he can’t criticize Israeli policies. Good allies do just that.

However what I am arguing is he hmisled the American public as to his true opinions on Israel and the Muslim Brotherhood knowing he would not have been elected had he been open and honest about his true views.

The US made a point of maintaining strong alliances with Egypt and the Arab monarchies as well as Israel in the past and Obama blew that approach up.

This also explains for example why last weekl Saudi Arabia openly stated directly to him in public media as a warning that they considered the Muslim Brotherhood, like ISIL and Hezbollah terrorist organizations not to be supported. Saudi Arabia echoed the positions of Egypt and Israel deliberately as all three share the exact same issues of concern with Obama.

The absurd attempt by Obama to fight ISIL the very group he and Erdogan of Turkey created to topple Ghaddafi then Assad while trying to maintain alliances with Hezbollah and Iran who are propping Assad and hate Saudi Arabia, Israel and Egypt while trying to get rid of Assad and suck up to Saudi Arabia is absurd.

The US supports Al Nusra which is Al Quaeda in Syria, but not Al Quaeda outside Syria. It wants Assad removed but supports Hezbollah and Iran getting rid of ISIL the group it started to rid Assad.

Obama’s closet ally is Erdogan who declared Kurds his no.1 enemy and looked the other way as Turkey slaughtered them now has us believe he cares about the Kurds and his ally Erdogan will save them.

Obama and Erdogan created ISIL to defeat Ghaddafi an Assad, lost control of them and now would have us believe Hamas and Hezbollah are to be trusted like Iran as allies.

Obama has made a complete mess out of his foreign policy not just in the Middle East but with Ukraine and Germany and China and now Canada rejecting our Keystone pipeline and insulting Harper by saying keystone is of no concern to him slapping his loyal ally in the face.

Obama's alienation of Egypt and Israel has crippled counter intelligence operations. The 5 eyes, Australia, New Zealand, Britain. Canada and the US depend on Israeli and Egyptian intelligence but that has come to an end once Obama allowed pro Muslim Brotherhood advisors access to counter intelligence files of the FBI and full reign of Homeland Security.

How bad is it. Well Obama had the same people who leaked the story Netanyahu is a chicken shit earlier leak the sensitive intelligence information that Israel had air bases in Azerberjan and was capable of using them to engage in an air attack against an Iranian nuclear site.

That leak was deliberate and the erosion of alliance between Saudi Arbia, Israel, Egypt and the US has rendered the US blind on the ground unable to use any of the three.

Here we have Saudi Arabia telling Obama like Egypt the Muslim Brotherhood are terrorists knowing he has 8 advisors linked to them.

Finally let's get the following clear. Obama has never fought in a war, or personally witnessed a terror attack yet he dares call Netanyahu a chicken shit?

This Obama calls Netanyahu a chicken shit for not unilaterally withdrawing to unspecified borders without any promise from Hamas they will rip up their charter or disarm let alone recognize a Jewish state. This man tells Netanyahu he's chicken shit not to trust Hamas while his people are being killed, kidnapped and shot at? This man is telling Netanyahu he's a chicken shit because he won't sign a one sided agreement that allows Hamas not to recognize Israel, continue armed and at war with it and maintaining a charter calling for the wiping out of Israel as a Jewish state?

What insanity is this?

Its the insanity of a man blinded by anger and petulance and not being able to control Netanyahu or Egypt or Saudi Arabia or Russia or anyone else.

This is the petulant exercise of a man overwhelmed by the world of international politics where unlike his municipal political arena, no one fauns over him, and he can't bribe people.

Netanyahu a chicken shit? This man was a Colonel in the IDF. To be one means you lead your men into battle not just sit at a desk. You die along with them and you are directly responsible for their deaths. Netanyahu is a soldier. Soldiers detest death and war. They go to war as a last resort and it is based on a code of having no other choice. Obama wants to ridicule a former combat soldier who has seen his own men die in front of him and civilians die? What an idiot. Netanyahu a chicken shit? Where was Obama when Netanyahu talked down ultra nationalist Jews in Jerusalem, the West Bank and apologized to a Palestinian family whose innocent child was killed? Where was Obama?

Now someone tell Bubba he has no clue who the above people are but nothing stops him from finding out who they are and no wing nut sites did not create them and no trying to pretend they do not exist and are simply made up by wing nuts is purile.

[Rue]

When the anti semitics scream for links they are on the run.

Lol here's a link you'll love PIK:

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/67222

Wingnuts you know.

[BubberMiley]

People are free to decide whether they believe the Benghazi conspiracy sites or not. You've decided you believe them, but don't want to tell anyone that's where you got your information from. I have decided I don't believe them. At least now the source of the information is on the table so others can decide whether they believe the information you provide.

But sorry I didn't make it through your lengthy post (again with a lot of unsourced information. Do you know what plagiarism is?). I've already finished what I started.

Edited November 19, 2014 by BubberMiley

[Rue]

^{People are free to decide whether they believe the Benghazi conspiracy sites or not. You've decided you believe them, but don't want to tell anyone that's where you got your information from. I have decided I don't believe them. At least now the source of the information is on the table so others can decide whether they believe the information you provide.}

But sorry I didn't make it through your lengthy post (again with a lot of unsourced information. Do you know what plagiarism is?). I've already finished what I started.

^{This is a discussion forum. I take my information from many sites. I am not required to footnote my opinions Bubber. Anyone can take the information I provide and find out for themselves if I made it up or not.}

^{Anything I have written can be corroborated by anyone. Just type in the names of people I mention and find out for yourself.}

^{This selective game you now play where I can not speak on this board unless I quote it from a cite is as absurd as you trying to preclude anything you disagree with as being wingnut.}

Edited November 19, 2014 by Rue

[Rue]

http://shoebat.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/New_IRS_Scandal_052113.pdf

The above is the site of the report that Bubba called wingnut because he thins the word shoebat is wingnut.

You can decide for yourself if you agree or do not agree with it. Might I suggest dismissing it as Bubba did simply because you think the word

shoebat sounds wingnut is silly.

[guyser]

^{This is a discussion forum. I take my information from many sites. I am not required to footnote my opinions Bubber. Anyone can take the information I provide and find out for themselves if I made it up or not.}

Read the rules . It says you do.

^{Anything I have written can be corroborated by anyone. Just type in the names of people I mention and find out for yourself.}

Post em up, as you are supposed to.

^{This selective game you now play where I can not speak on this board unless I quote it from a cite is as absurd as you trying to preclude anything you disagree with as being wingnut.}

Cannot speak? Not a one ever said anything remotely like that.

Now youre just making crap up. Some things never change.

Edited November 19, 2014 by Guyser2

[BubberMiley]

http://shoebat.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/New_IRS_Scandal_052113.pdf

The above is the site of the report that Bubba called wingnut because he thins the word shoebat is wingnut.

You can decide for yourself if you agree or do not agree with it. Might I suggest dismissing it as Bubba did simply because you think the word

shoebat sounds wingnut is silly.

I already referenced the breaking news about the anti-christ on that site.

[guyser]

Judging by perusal of that site?

Shoebat should change his name to Wingbat.

Makes World Net Daily look like the Washington Post

[BubberMiley]

This is a discussion forum. I take my information from many sites. I am not required to footnote my opinions Bubber. Anyone can take the information I provide and find out for themselves if I made it up or not.

Anyone can state their opinions, but if you want to state something as fact, which is what you were doing, you are obligated to back it up.

Here, I'll show you how it's done by citing a rule that remarkably seems written with you in mind:

Research Your Post

If you are stating a fact, be prepared to back it up with some official sources (websites, links etc). It is also important to structure your post in a way that everyone can understand. That means writing complete sentences and paragraphs with the appropriate grammar. If for some reason, you enjoy writing long confusing sentences and paragraphs riddled with poor grammar and spelling mistakes, your post, and therefore your opinions, will likely be discarded.

Therefore, it is in your best interest to make sure that your post includes sufficient sources and contains a well-researched and well-organized argument.

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=extras&section=boardrules

[Rue]

I already referenced the breaking news about the anti-christ on that site.

Tee hee. What does the fact that you found this report on a different site that has the above article to do with the report itself. Your tactic of attacking the site but not the report itself speaks for itself. I went to the report itself, you went to a site that ran it and attack that site and again will not discuss the report contents. That tactic speaks for itself Bubba. Its tiresome but its typical of you. When you have no idea how to debate something, you focus on something else. I am not biting so like I said Bubba move on.

[Rue]

Anyone can state their opinions, but if you want to state something as fact, which is what you were doing, you are obligated to back it up.

Here, I'll show you how it's done by citing a rule that remarkably seems written with you in mind:

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=extras&section=boardrules

Oh now you want to try use the rules to limit and censor what I say. Is that it Bubber. Lol.

So let's look at the rule shall we:

1-If you are stating a fact, be prepared to back it up with some official sources (websites, links etc).

The names of the individuals and which positions they hold and what positions they have stated are public domain. I do not have to back up the fact that Chuck Hagel is Secretary of Defence with a site and to suggest I have to is ludicrous. How far do you want to go with that rule hmmm and who do you intend to impose it on, just me or every single person on this forum starting with you. Just how many times have you come on this board and made statements with no citation yet have accused others of doing the same. You want to play that game really? You already made it clear before I stated anything that you have decided that ANY site that tells you what you do not agree with is wingnut based on laughing at someone's laugh name and without any basis for your calling the sites you select wingbut. You dont' debate the contents on the site, just the site. So I would suggest if you want to throw this rule at me you get it clear as can be. You are not entitled to any cite when you preclude them before they are even given to you. You are not entitled to any cite because you have made clear your tactic is not to respond to the item on cite, just smeer the site with your subjective name calling.

See you want to pose rules on me you need to follow them as well. You are not even willing to debate the topic you demand a cite on. Why would anyone provide a cite when you make it clear you won't read what is on the cite.

Go on finish it then. You were asked by me to show the standard you used to dismiss the sites you did. To date your sole criteria is to ridicule someone's last name and you want to come on this forum and quote rules to me on how to debate? Right.

Then you quote this rule:

2. It is also important to structure your post in a way that everyone can understand.

That means writing complete sentences and paragraphs with the appropriate grammar. If for some reason, you enjoy writing long confusing sentences and paragraphs riddled with poor grammar and spelling mistakes, your post, and therefore your opinions, will likely be discarded.

Therefore, it is in your best interest to make sure that your post includes sufficient sources and contains a well-researched and well-organized argument.

Right so this means you now can subjectively determine when grammar and sentence structure is not to your liking to then censor me? Is that it?

Isn't that a nice way to interpret the rule. How selective. This coming from someone who states he won't read more than one sentence and now you try hide behind a rule that assumes you will read when you admit you don't. Lol. Brilliant. You admit you don't read what I write, and yet using your psychic powers you can determine without reading my sentences they are riddled with poor grammar and spelling mistakes. Lol.

Right.

See your tactic again is hilarious. You can't dismiss the contents of what you don't agree with because you have no clue how to so you smeer the site based on absolute nonsense, i.e., you don't like someone's last name.

Then you have the audacity after suggesting you won't read what I write that it has bad grammar and spelling. Right. You know what. You play that game. Pretend you can not understand what I write. Play that game. Try argue the rules so that you can subjectively censor sites with no criteria when you disagree with their contents. Play the game where because you do not agree with what I say, you can use a rule that says you can't understand what I wrote when you admit you don't even read it.

The more you respond the more you show you are not on this board to debate what I say, but to justify not responding to it.

Do you really think I expected you to respond in any way shape or form other than to try hide behind some forum rules or smeering a web-site or some personal attacks? You have never debated a thing. What you have shown is you only come on this board to make personal barbs against others. Show me one thread you initiated where you argued anything and backed it up with the cite. Sorry but all I can find are you repeated interventions to insult people you disagree with, with not a trace of objective basis to debate what they say.

Save the shtick and shut the door on the way out. You clearly have no clue as to how to respond to my words. What is even more hilarious is when you are given the actual report you ridicule, you never even read it or debated it. You can't. You have no clue how to, so you switched the topic to tell me I am not following the rules and providing cites when you were given the report. What is hilarious is you don't even know how to apply the rule you claim.

Not only were you provide the cite of the report, but you ignored it and tried to discredit not the report but a site you found it on.

Yah that shtick really worked.

Oh yah I know you never read this.

[Rue]

Read the rules . It says you do.

Post em up, as you are supposed to.

Cannot speak? Not a one ever said anything remotely like that.

Now youre just making crap up. Some things never change.

I provided the cite of the report. Either debate that report or move on. Get something clear your personal attacks won't work with me and your accusation I made up the report is a personal attack proven wrong. Move on. Either you debate the report or move on. If you think you or members of your entourage are going to dictate to me what I can and can not say on this forum think again.

[Rue]

Here you go. Go ignore the contents of this and attack the site...go on show everyone the tactic of avoiding debating the content and subjectively insulting the web-site without basis and having the nerve to lecture me that I don't cite and prove things when your tactic is to simply name call and insult sites with zero basis-knock yourselves out, everyone you disagree with is a wing nut on awing nut site and better still I made it all up in my head:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3010210/posts

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3672/muslim-brotherhood-us-government

http://www.meforum.org/3585/benghazi-muslim-brotherhood

http://www.copts.com/english/?p=2547

http://www.jpost.com/International/Obama-muddles-message-on-Muslim-Brotherhood

http://www.worldtribune.com/2013/06/30/analyst-obama-has-formed-strategic-alliance-with-muslim-brotherhood/

http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2013/01/04/258553.html

http://www.worldtribune.com/2013/09/25/report-by-supporting-muslim-brotherhood-obama-drove-egypt-to-russia-china/

Either debate the issues or move on. Trying to call me names and dismissing web sites with ridiculous name calling is spent.

You know where to find me.

[marcus]

LOL!

Those links are your source?

From Daniel Pipes to John (Moustache) Bolton to an Egyptian Christian Copts website, to a few other articles that don't mention anything about Obama having Muslim Brotherhood on his staff.

This is where you get your information? Shame on you.

[Rue]

Some most certainly do discuss the Muslim Brotherhood aligned advisors..

You never read the contents on those sites otherwise you would have known that,. Instead without reading you are trying t bluff your way through dismissing them without reading them.

You also show once again, you are not here to debate the contents, just dismiss the sites with no reasons for dismissing the sites.

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[PIK]

Rue ,they hate the truth.

[BubberMiley]

Rue ,they hate the truth.

Right, and asking for citations is anti-Semitic. You go, girl!

[BubberMiley]

Being anti Israel is being anti-Semitic. They are one and the same.

Being against Israel's existence is different from being against Israel's political policies. Otherwise, you Obama haters are sure anti-American.

I wonder how and why it became ok to hate the Jews again...

It's not okay. That's something only someone from Milton would say.

[guyser]

Get something clear your personal attacks won't work with me and your accusation I made up the report is a personal attack proven wrong.

Add the fact you havent a clue what a personal attack is to the other problems with your posts.

Either you debate the report or move on. If you think you or members of your entourage are going to dictate to me what I can and can not say on this forum think again.

LOL, what a silly post, no one has said you cant say anything, people are curious where these bizarre views of yours originate.

Shoebat....aptly named. But I like wingnut better.

[dre]

Cannot speak? Not a one ever said anything remotely like that.

Now youre just making crap up. Some things never change.

This is an oft repeated refrain. "You cant shut me up!"... like anyone even cares or is trying to.

Rue has whats known in pshychiatric circles as a garden variety persecution complex. This causes him to subsitute the reality around him, with an alternate reality generated by his mind. Thats why its so hard to understand what the guy is saying... You will write something, and he will reply not to what you wrote, but instead to his own mental projection onto what you wrote. As most of the membership here as expressed at various times, it can be very confusing.

This is manifested in the constant labelling of anyone that disagrees with him as an "anti-semite", or a "racist", or "terrorist apologist", and in the kind of paranoid delusions you referenced in your post. And then after his constant barrage of insults, out comes the VICTIM CARD. "Youre insulting me!".

As hard as it is to believe, he REALLY DOES THINK, that he is in the midst of an anti-semitic conspiracy that wants to silence him and suppress his opinions. These kinds of demons are not easy to live with and we should all cut the guy some slack.

Edited November 21, 2014 by dre

[jbg]

Wanting Israel wiped off the map is antisemitic because Israel is set up as a Zionist state. So if Israel falls so to will the Jewish people cease to exist freely. They will once again become slaves. This is unacceptable to me. Siding with the Palestinians is antisemitism because if you side with them you are siding with Hamas and Fatah. Two groups who has the mantra of wiping Israel of the map. Do you see my rationale here?

The following poem (link) by Martin Niemöller (1892-1984) comes to mind:

First they came for the Communists

And I did not speak out

Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists

And I did not speak out

Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists

And I did not speak out

Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews

And I did not speak out

Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me

And there was no one left -

See more at: http://hmd.org.uk/resources/poetry/first-they-came-pastor-martin-niemoller#sthash.dDarIB6Z.dpuf

Edited December 8, 2014 by jbg

[BubberMiley]

The following poem (link) by Martin Niemöller (1892-1984) comes to mind:

Wrong thread. The Ferguson thread is in the U.S. politics section.

[Rue]

1-Rue has whats known in pshychiatric circles as a garden variety persecution complex.

2-This causes him to subsitute the reality around him, with an alternate reality generated by his mind. Thats why its so hard to understand what the guy is saying...

3-You will write something, and he will reply not to what you wrote, but instead to his own mental projection onto what you wrote. As most of the membership here as expressed at various times, it can be very confusing.

4-This is manifested in the constant labelling of anyone that disagrees with him as an "anti-semite", or a "racist", or "terrorist apologist", and in the kind of paranoid delusions you referenced in your post. And then after his constant barrage of insults, out comes the VICTIM CARD. "Youre insulting me!".

5-As hard as it is to believe, he REALLY DOES THINK, that he is in the midst of an anti-semitic conspiracy that wants to silence him and suppress his opinions. These kinds of demons are not easy to live with and we should all cut the guy some slack.

I was busy but heaven forbid I should not respond directly to this personal attack which I enjoyed.

Oh where do we start. In paragraph 4 Dre accuses me of labelling people I disagree with, yet he does the exact same thing with moi in paragraphs

1-5. In fact the entire response was to label me with a psychiatric malady since he disagrees with my opinions.

Now please note in paragraphs 3 and 4 he expresses his subjective opinion of me, yet uses the words "you" and "most of the membership" instead of the word I. Clearly then, in Dre's world, I, you, and "most of the membership" are synonomous with I. He sees no difference. He is not an I he is a we. He speaks for many not just himself and that is just plain fun when you then read in paragraph two these words that he accuses moi of, "subsitute the reality around him, with an alternate reality generated by his mind."

I would say when someone can not differentiate himself (I) from you (we) and "most of the membership", when discussing their own subjective views,t his need to transpose "you" to replace the "I" in fact suggests Dre has subsituted the reality of others, or more accurately the opinions of others, for his/her own reality. Lol, isn't that interesting. Once again Dre engages in the same exercise he/she accuses moi of.

Here is the most enjoyable of allegations though of Dre's. He/she stated; "You will write something, and he will reply not to what you wrote, but instead to his own mental projection onto what you wrote".

Its interesting because the very response from Dre above does not respond to anything I wrote. but offers a psychiatric diagnosis and speculation of what she/he thinks I think. That is of course a classic example of projection, projecting on to me thoughts, she thinks I have. The entire response in fact projects onto me, what she thinks I think and then its couched by changing her name to "you" or "most other members".

So not only does Dre know what I think, but what others think as well.

Lol, say now, there she/he goes again accusing me of projection and not responding to threads, when she not only is not responding to a thread of mine but engages in multiple projections.

Very interesting.

Oh but wait, Dre has diagnosed me with a "persecution complex". That's interesting. I mean now he/she can render psychiatric diagnoses by reading my posts. Lol. Talk about mental projection abilities hmmmmm?

Now here is the thing about being an arm chair Psychiatrist-its idiotic.

In fact what Dre probably meant to disparage moi with is the diagnosis that I have "persecutory delusions". We don't use the word "persecution complex" anymore.

Persecutory delusions refer to a condition whereby the person said to be affected by these delusions have to basic beliefs:

1-they believe that harm is being done to them or is in imminent proximity;

2.they believe the person implementing the harm does so intentionally.

So Dre really should check with the DSM-IV-TR before she plays psychiatrist because if we are to believe her diagnosis she would need to prove I feel that the people she claims I accuse of being and I quote; " "anti-semite", or a "racist", or "terrorist apologist"," are a harm to me or others.

She can not. At no time have I stated these people are a harm either to me or others. In fact when I have used those terms, they have been specifically directed at the words someone said. I would love for her/him to now produce the words where I called people anti-semitic, racist or terrorist apologists with no reference to the words they said and just out of the blue used those words with no reference and wait...then stated they were harming me or others. Lol. I won't hold my breath.

Oh but it gets better because Dre also stated that and I quote, "in the kind of paranoid delusions".

Now switches to the term "paranoid".

Now that is even more fun. because in fact paranoid thinking might beliefs of conspiracy concerning a perceived threat towards oneself but to make that diagnosis I would have had to state I feel a perceived threat from Dre or "you" or "most of the memebrship".

The problem is I never have so to come to that conclusion Dre necessarily had to project that thought on me, i.e., assume it was coming from me without any direct evidence.

Now see that is funny because by making such an accusation that is not based on what I actually have said it certainly manifests falsehood, i.e., the suggestion I think the way she/he says I do without direct proof...and oh guess what...paranoia is often defined as the behaviour of someone who makes false accusations about others and shows a general distrust of them.

Now se that is the problem with paranoia. The person who accuses others of being paranoid, could in fact simply be paranoid and that is why they see the other person as paranoid.

Now this brings me to the next concern.

Sicne Dre is now an expert on psychiatric disorders she/he would of course know that researchers now believe that individuals with paranoia could have some sort of cognitive deficit or impairment in reasoning ability.

This could explain why Dre stated and I quote; "Thats why its so hard to understand what the guy is saying...".

Could it be Dre you in fact have a cognitive deficit or impairment impacting negatively on your reasoning ability and this makes me appear deluded to you and why you don't differentiate between, yourself (I), "you" (others) and "most of the members" (others) when you express your views?

Did you know as well Dre that paranoid reactions could be caused from a decline in brain circulation as a result of high blood pressure or stiffening of artery walls? Have you had any medical issues in this area?

Early onset of Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, brain tumours could also manifest such symptoms as could adverse reactions to drugs or mixing drugs and alcohol or hormonal imbalances that can come with aging.

This leads me to these concluding comments to Dre and I did take the time to respond because Dre you did say I never respond directly to the threads.

You exhibited the very qualities in your response to me you accused me of. I appreciate you felt the need to insult me and put me down.

I appreciate the need you needed to place yourself in the role of righteous one putting down the heretic.

Lol.

I like that. I embrace you feeling the need to cast me from the heavens with a wave of your wand.

That is funny because of nothing else your need to belittle me shows you felt this need to judge and impeach me.

You have felt the need to accuse me of these things because clearly you can't address my arguements but feel the need to get at moi, the moi behind the words.

Say now, someone has pride and ego showing.

Careful now. When you get irritated your words form just like pimples on skin until they eventually explode with liquid disdain or pus like words.

Do you want that? Come on now get some clearasil and move on to another thread with moi to pick at.

Edited December 11, 2014 by Rue

[guyser]

I was busy but heaven forbid I should not respond ....(blah blah to save bandwidth edit)

Do you want that? Come on now get some clearasil and move on to another thread with moi to pick at.

Well now, this last post merely confirms #1.

1-Rue has whats known in pshychiatric circles as a garden variety persecution complex.