jbg Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 Trudeau's speech (or e-mail blast) excerpt. To our friends and fellow citizens in the Muslim community, Canadians know acts such as these committed in the name of Islam are an aberration of your faith. Continued mutual cooperation and respect will help prevent the influence of distorted ideological propaganda posing as religion. We will walk forward together, not apart.While much of his statement was fine, this part isn't. Granted, Bush made a similar ridiculous statement after 9/11. This is not the time to be telling the Muslim community how wonderful they are. They need to work with authorities to out jihadists that dwell among us. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
waldo Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 Where's JT calling for the War Measures act to called? What no call for the War Measures Act? you mean you don't know that Act no longer exists? Try the Emergencies Act, hey? But really, you want to go back 45 years to attempt to make... some point here. Which is what? Well... both 'events' happened in October! . Quote
Boges Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 you mean you don't know that Act no longer exists? Try the Emergencies Act, hey? But really, you want to go back 45 years to attempt to make... some point here. Which is what? Well... both 'events' happened in October! . More like a subtle dig at people named Trudeau. Quote
Black Dog Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 Trudeau's speech (or e-mail blast) excerpt. While much of his statement was fine, this part isn't. Granted, Bush made a similar ridiculous statement after 9/11. This is not the time to be telling the Muslim community how wonderful they are. They need to work with authorities to out jihadists that dwell among us. Yes he should have demonized them and insulted them to ensure their cooperation. You're not a bright light are you? Quote
waldo Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 Granted, Bush made a similar ridiculous statement after 9/11. This is not the time to be telling the Muslim community how wonderful they are. for whatever significance the input of a claimed American has here... only someone with a hate-on for Trudeau (which you've long displayed through a history of your posts) would distort those words as you've just done. The full text of that address: I am deeply saddened by today’s horrific events here in Ottawa, and unreservedly condemn these brutal and heartless acts of violence. This attack is unforgivable. Should any other perpetrators or co-conspirators exist, they must be caught and be punished to the full force of our laws. I’ve extended an offer of full support to the government, along with any assistance members of our Party can provide at this time. My thoughts and prayers, along with those of my colleagues, go out to the family and friends of the victims of today’s horrific shooting, including Corporal Nathan Frank Cirillo, who was standing dutifully, guarding one of our nation’s most sacred monuments. Words cannot express the deep sadness we feel today over his loss. To the brave women and men who rushed to the scene to confront the shooter, and help keep us safe, I can say only thank you. Thank you for your selfless courage and your professionalism in a time of crisis. In the days that follow, there will be questions, anger, and perhaps confusion. This is natural, but we cannot let it get the better of us. Losing ourselves to fear and speculation is the intention of those who commit these heinous acts. They mean to shake us. We will remain resolved. They want us to forget ourselves. Instead, we should remember. We should remember who we are. We are a proud democracy, a welcoming and peaceful nation, and a country of open arms and open hearts. We are a nation of fairness, justice, and the rule of law. We will not be intimidated into changing that. If anything, these are the values and principles to which we must hold on even tighter. Our dedication to democracy and the institutions we have built are the foundation of our society. A continued belief in both will guide us correctly into the future. Staying true to our values in a time of crisis will make us an example to the world. Criminals cannot and will not dictate to us how we act as a nation, how we govern ourselves, or how we treat each other. They cannot and will not dictate our values. And they do not get to decide how we use our shared public spaces. Today we heard about a loss of innocence in Canada. This is inaccurate. Canada is not innocent to the threats we face, and we know that we are not immune. What is true is that we have not let those threats shape us, and we have never bowed to those who mean to undermine our values and way of life. We have remained Canadians. And this should be how we will carry on. We deserve answers to how and why this happened. They will be vital in preventing any potential future attack. To our friends and fellow citizens in the Muslim community, Canadians know acts such as these committed in the name of Islam are an aberration of your faith. Continued mutual cooperation and respect will help prevent the influence of distorted ideological propaganda posing as religion. We will walk forward together, not apart. In the coming days, we will be inundated with pictures and videos showing what happened today. But there is one in particular we should remember: the picture in our minds we have of a Canadian guarding Canadians. That is who we truly are. That is who we will continue to be. Quote
BubberMiley Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 This is not the time to be telling the Muslim community how wonderful they are.Why have just a few enemies when you can have millions and millions of them? Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
waldo Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 More like a subtle dig at people named Trudeau. what's the dig... and where's the subtlety? You clearly didn't know that Act no longer existed. But really, are you truly attempting to equate the 2 events... as you go back 45 years to make what point? Quote
Boges Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 (edited) what's the dig... and where's the subtlety? You clearly didn't know that Act no longer existed. But really, are you truly attempting to equate the 2 events... as you go back 45 years to make what point? Just the fact that Trudeau Senior's reaction to the October crisis was a huge over-reaction. Marshall Law can't be called in Canada anymore? Edited October 23, 2014 by Boges Quote
waldo Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 Just the fact that Trudeau Senior's reaction to the October crisis was a huge over-reaction. which even if your opinion had merit... what does that 45-year old event have to do with JT and 'this recent day's event'? Quote
Boges Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 (edited) which even if your opinion had merit... what does that 45-year old event have to do with JT and 'this recent day's event'? It was a joke, chill. The only similarity is they were both acts of terrorism. JT is the leader of the 3rd party, he has no influence over the government's response to the events yesterday. Edited October 23, 2014 by Boges Quote
cybercoma Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 Who cares what Trudeau has to say? He's a third-party leader that rarely shows up for work. Let the adults handle the serious situations, while he coifs his hair. Quote
Boges Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 Who cares what Trudeau has to say? He's a third-party leader that rarely shows up for work. Let the adults handle the serious situations, while he coifs his hair. +1 Quote
cybercoma Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 That was pretty exaggerated on my part, but the thing is, these statements are nothing more than political posturing. In all seriousness, we don't need to hear from Trudeau or even Mulcair for that matter. Prime Minister Stephen Harper should have addressed the nation, but as the Prime Minister, leader of the government ministry--not as Stephen Harper perpetual campaigner and divisive partisan. Quote
Boges Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 That was pretty exaggerated on my part, but the thing is, these statements are nothing more than political posturing. In all seriousness, we don't need to hear from Trudeau or even Mulcair for that matter. Prime Minister Stephen Harper should have addressed the nation, but as the Prime Minister, leader of the government ministry--not as Stephen Harper perpetual campaigner and divisive partisan. Did anyone care what Stockwell Day had to say in the wake of 911? Quote
waldo Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 It was a joke, chill. The only similarity is they were both acts of terrorism. JT is the leader of the 3rd party, he has no influence over the government's response to the events yesterday. how is it the joke attachment only comes out when you guys are called on your BS? For someone, as you say, having no influence, there's sure a lot of Harper Conservative supporters so focused, so fixated on JT, hey? Just look how far Simple went with this thread! Quote
Argus Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 On my planet we've actually invented something called a joke. You might look into it. It's actually pretty good. The politically correct don't have time for a sense of humour. They're on a mission to save us all from ourselves. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Boges Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 how is it the joke attachment only comes out when you guys are called on your BS? For someone, as you say, having no influence, there's sure a lot of Harper Conservative supporters so focused, so fixated on JT, hey? Just look how far Simple went with this thread! Oh I'm not, I don't know why this thread was started. Trudeau is completely irrelevant regarding this event. Did you think for a moment this was anything other than a joke? Do you really think I would advocate for the calling of Marshall law because of one act of murder regardless of how high profile it was. We should be concerned that we have two incidents in a week from Canadians who take the ISIS banner and kill people indiscriminately. These clearly aren't isolated incidents. We pay for intelligence for a reason and I trust they're doing their job right now. Quote
cybercoma Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 Did anyone care what Stockwell Day had to say in the wake of 911? People who were going to vote for or were considering voting for his party. Quote
waldo Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 The politically correct don't have time for a sense of humour. They're on a mission to save us all from ourselves. good to know you're also a proponent of 'hair', uhhhh... "jokes". Hey now, how do like Harper's Helmet Hair... just joking, right? Oh wait... that's not the joke is it? Why not explain your joke, just so nothing is lost in inferred translation. C'mon, step up and explain the joke. Quote
Boges Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 good to know you're also a proponent of 'hair', uhhhh... "jokes". Hey now, how do like Harper's Helmet Hair... just joking, right? Oh wait... that's not the joke is it? Why not explain your joke, just so nothing is lost in inferred translation. C'mon, step up and explain the joke. Are you really calling for posters to preface snarky posts with a disclaimer? Quote
guyser Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 Oh I'm not, I don't know why this thread was started. Yes you do. Had JT called a presser before the PM , the same poster who started this would have been outraged that dear leader was usurped. Had he followed Harper afterwards, outrage would explode that 'we dont have time to mull the PM's thoughts.' But dre is right, this story is far too big for what it actually was. One idiot gunman with a history of trouble, looked around the 'net and found a cause. Doubt whether the cause had any influence on him, just the other way around. Quote
Boges Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 (edited) Yes you do. Had JT called a presser before the PM , the same poster who started this would have been outraged that dear leader was usurped. Had he followed Harper afterwards, outrage would explode that 'we dont have time to mull the PM's thoughts.' You know what I think? I was curious what the PM had to say but watched CSI on the DVR instead. I did catch the tail end of JT's speech while emptying the dishwasher. But dre is right, this story is far too big for what it actually was. One idiot gunman with a history of trouble, looked around the 'net and found a cause. Doubt whether the cause had any influence on him, just the other way around. He was one idiot gunman that followed one idiot in a car. It's a trend and there are 90 other people CSIS are watching with similar individuals. I'm not going change how I live my life one bit but people in charge should take these events very seriously and act accordingly. These were NOT! Isolated events. Edited October 23, 2014 by Boges Quote
waldo Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 Oh I'm not, I don't know why this thread was started. Trudeau is completely irrelevant regarding this event. and yet, look at your posts in this thread??? . Did you think for a moment this was anything other than a joke? Do you really think I would advocate for the calling of Marshall law because of one act of murder regardless of how high profile it was. you've said the same thing... at least twice now... in separate threads. I quoted the 2 instances I'm aware of. And yes, given your desire to dredge up a 45 year event, without qualification, your intent was anything but a joke. . Quote
Boges Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 your intent was anything but a joke. As you're qualified to say that how? The first post was something that popped into my head while listening to radio coverage of the even where the host was discussing PET's reaction to the October crisis. This post was a response to the thread criticizing JT's lack of a speech at the time. Way to suck all the fun out of this forum sometimes. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 23, 2014 Report Posted October 23, 2014 He was one idiot gunman that followed one idiot in a car. It's a trend and there are 90 other people CSIS are watching with similar individuals. Right...but there is no shortage of PM Harper critics very quick to escalate the event for their own political purposes. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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