Scared.In.Canada Posted October 22, 2014 Report Posted October 22, 2014 Mostly, but Military Police can detain citizens off-base, with the expectation they will be turned over to local police..........Of course, the military can legally be used to support civilian LEO via the Emergencies Act. Here on Base Borden, the MP`s train the OPP and local police forces. Quote
Mighty AC Posted October 22, 2014 Report Posted October 22, 2014 Sounds that way. They still haven't confirmed one shooter, though I'm sure they have already reviewed the hill cam footage and know for sure. Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
Derek 2.0 Posted October 22, 2014 Report Posted October 22, 2014 (edited) They still haven't confirmed one shooter, though I'm sure they have already reviewed the hill cam footage and know for sure. Exactly.....I'm sure it will take time for them to sort through this, and in turn the media and us. Edited October 22, 2014 by Derek 2.0 Quote
Scared.In.Canada Posted October 22, 2014 Report Posted October 22, 2014 Then stop making us laugh with your inane silliness. I find it disgusting that you can make a joke out of a soldier losing thier life.... Quote
guyser Posted October 22, 2014 Report Posted October 22, 2014 But unlike "any citizen", military police are afforded the same powers as civilian peace officers.Er...no. Certainly not blanket as you suggest here. They are but only in relation to DND assets or property. IOW, an CFMP tells me Im under arrest on Yonge St because Im 'publically drunk', Id laugh and walk away. Quote
guyser Posted October 22, 2014 Report Posted October 22, 2014 I find it disgusting that you can make a joke out of a soldier losing thier life....Then English comprehension for you is not something you have learned....yet. Dont be disgusted, just be absent. Quote
Scared.In.Canada Posted October 22, 2014 Report Posted October 22, 2014 Er...no. Certainly not blanket as you suggest here. They are but only in relation to DND assets or property. IOW, an CFMP tells me Im under arrest on Yonge St because Im 'publically drunk', Id laugh and walk away. The MP`s would be laughing last. The yhave much higher training then the normal police. They would handcuff you and hold you so you really wouldn`t be going anywhere. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted October 22, 2014 Report Posted October 22, 2014 Er...no. Certainly not blanket as you suggest here. They are but only in relation to DND assets or property. IOW, an CFMP tells me Im under arrest on Yonge St because Im 'publically drunk', Id laugh and walk away. Military Police can and do regularly pull over speeders, people on cellphones, suspected drunks etc off base, on public roads.....perhaps your exposure is limited by geography in relation to a Canadian Forces Base. Quote
guyser Posted October 22, 2014 Report Posted October 22, 2014 The MP`s would be laughing last. The yhave much higher training then the normal police. They would handcuff you and hold you so you really wouldn`t be going anywhere.Shhh...adults talking. Im sure you havent a clue what you are talking about so lets teach you. They best have seen the crime, otherwise they are in violation of rights. The MP's have absolutely no more authority on the street (away from DND prop and assets) than a normal citizen. And now you know the rest of the story.-Paul Harvey-Good day. Quote
Scared.In.Canada Posted October 22, 2014 Report Posted October 22, 2014 Shhh...adults talking. Im sure you havent a clue what you are talking about so lets teach you. They best have seen the crime, otherwise they are in violation of rights. The MP's have absolutely no more authority on the street (away from DND prop and assets) than a normal citizen. And now you know the rest of the story.-Paul Harvey-Good day. I am most likely older than you...Im 39. My g f is in the military and we used to live in the Q`s before we moved off base so I have a lot of first hand experience with the military. The MP are free to arrest people in public when they break the law. Quote
guyser Posted October 22, 2014 Report Posted October 22, 2014 Military Police can and do regularly pull over speeders, people on cellphones, suspected drunks etc off base, on public roads.....perhaps your exposure is limited by geography in relation to a Canadian Forces Base.MPs only have authority on DND prop, assets et al. Once off base, they are as good as any other adult. IOW, they aint got shit. If an MP saw someone speeding on base but couldnt stop them until a few miles off base, they can issue an HTA ticket. But if these MPs were driving to TO and a speeder went by them, SFA they could legally do about it. The same as any other citizen. Quote
guyser Posted October 22, 2014 Report Posted October 22, 2014 The MP are free to arrest people in public when they break the law. No they arent. but thats ok, you are young and uninformed. They are free to arrest, as are any other citizen,anyone they see committing a crime. Quote
Scared.In.Canada Posted October 22, 2014 Report Posted October 22, 2014 MPs only have authority on DND prop, assets et al. Once off base, they are as good as any other adult. IOW, they aint got shit. If an MP saw someone speeding on base but couldnt stop them until a few miles off base, they can issue an HTA ticket. But if these MPs were driving to TO and a speeder went by them, SFA they could legally do about it. The same as any other citizen. That isn`t at all true. You have no idea what you`re talking about. I lived on a few military bases. I have first hand experience... Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted October 22, 2014 Report Posted October 22, 2014 MPs only have authority on DND prop, assets et al. Once off base, they are as good as any other adult. IOW, they aint got shit. If an MP saw someone speeding on base but couldnt stop them until a few miles off base, they can issue an HTA ticket. But if these MPs were driving to TO and a speeder went by them, SFA they could legally do about it. The same as any other citizen. Sorry, but that's not the case........they have the same powers of arrest/detainment as regular police off base, as I've said that will directly be related to proximity to a base. Here (Greater Victoria) for example they set-up regular speed traps, in partnership with local RCMP along the Old Island Hwy......If a person Pulled over/detained isn't a member of the Canadian Forces, they are then turned over to local police......... Anecdotal example, last summer my idiot nephew was pulled over by MPs for playing a musical horn on the local hwy, roughly ~10-15kms from the Belmont PMQs, and was detained roadside for nearly an hour until local RCMP arrived and issued him a warning. Quote
cybercoma Posted October 22, 2014 Report Posted October 22, 2014 You'll note "in partnership with local RCMP." The local police set up speed traps here yesterday with the MOT. Quote
The_Squid Posted October 22, 2014 Report Posted October 22, 2014 I read that they are searching vehicles leaving Ottawa, particularly on bridges to Quebec. This implies more than one shooter, I think... Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted October 22, 2014 Report Posted October 22, 2014 You'll note "in partnership with local RCMP." The local police set up speed traps here yesterday with the MOT. Sure, and the region (here) is home to a large military base(s) encompassing several communities............ Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted October 22, 2014 Report Posted October 22, 2014 It's starting to seem that this thing was over when they shot the guy on the hill, so it sounds like a lone wolf deal. Will be interesting to see who he was. Quote
cybercoma Posted October 22, 2014 Report Posted October 22, 2014 Sure, and the region (here) is home to a large military base(s) encompassing several communities............I live a 20 minute drive from Gagetown. I've never seen MPs pulling over average citizens. Quote
cybercoma Posted October 22, 2014 Report Posted October 22, 2014 unless they're on base that is. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted October 22, 2014 Report Posted October 22, 2014 unless they're on base that is. From their own site: Members of the Military Police are appointed under regulations for the purposes of National Defence Act section 156 and, as such, are awarded certain powers in order to fulfill their policing duties. For example, Military Police have the power to arrest, detain, and search without regard to rank. The Criminal Code of Canada recognizes Military Police members as peace officers. They can arrest and lay charges for certain specific offences pursuant to the National Defence Act and the Criminal Code and lay charges in civilian criminal courts. Quote
cybercoma Posted October 22, 2014 Report Posted October 22, 2014 "for certain specific offences" Quote
guyser Posted October 22, 2014 Report Posted October 22, 2014 (edited) Sorry, but that's not the case........they have the same powers of arrest/detainment as regular police off base, as I've said that will directly be related to proximity to a base. Link please. Here (Greater Victoria) for example they set-up regular speed traps, in partnership with local RCMP along the Old Island Hwy......If a person Pulled over/detained isn't a member of the Canadian Forces, they are then turned over to local police......... OH...so they in fact DONT have the same powers, otherwise they would have charged , not turned over. Holy shit guys, get with it will ya? Anecdotal example, last summer my idiot nephew was pulled over by MPs for playing a musical horn on the local hwy, roughly ~10-15kms from the Belmont PMQs, and was detained roadside for nearly an hour until local RCMP arrived and issued him a warning. Why didnt they just charge him.....if they have the same powers as you have repeatedly said. Look Derek, youre a knowledgeable military guy and I would aquiesce to your knowledge miltarily, but in this case, the de facto statement that youve made, that being they have the same enforcement powers as any other cop is wrong. Go here, read page 127. It will set you and others straight, there is NO power granted to CFMP's other than assets and DND prop and those under CSD . Sorry, forgot the link..... https://www.familyforce.ca/sites/NMFC/EN/Documents/CF-101%20for%20Civilians%20EN.pdf Edited October 22, 2014 by Guyser2 Quote
Vancouver King Posted October 22, 2014 Report Posted October 22, 2014 I wonder if the Prime Minister still clings to his belief that the causes and personal evolution of these terrorists are of no consequence. Quote When the people have no tyrant, their public opinion becomes one. ...... Lord Lytton
guyser Posted October 22, 2014 Report Posted October 22, 2014 From their own site: Any reason this is missing? "The approximately 1,245 members of the Military Police exercise jurisdiction within the Forces, and over Department of National Defence employees and visitors on DND property." Quote
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