On Guard for Thee Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 He was a Muslim Fanatic who was wearing a black and white Arab scarf during the deed. He wanted to make sure we all knew he was a Muslim and carrying out Jihad. Not surprising you refer to yourself as "scared" you're completely paranoid. Luckily there are authorities in Canada that are rational. So calm down before your blood pressure gets the better of you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scared.In.Canada Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 So a Islamic Terrorist running through our city streets with a gun is nothing to worry about right? Business as usual is what you're claiming? Oh btw did anyone check to see if his gun was registered? If it was did it play any role what so ever in stopping his murderous rampage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 So a Islamic Terrorist running through our city streets with a gun is nothing to worry about right? Business as usual is what you're claiming? Oh btw did anyone check to see if his gun was registered? If it was did it play any role what so ever in stopping his murderous rampage? Next these posters will be blaming the attack on Canada's support of Israel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scared.In.Canada Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 Next these posters will be blaming the attack on Canada's support of Israel. Yes, my friend. That is the party line. It's terrible that so many are so angry with a county that 1. Most have never been to. You have to see it in person to really understand the struggle. and 2. Only know what the internet/msm tells them. Isrealis tell the Arab citizens to leave areas they are about to bomb while the Hamas tells the mto stay. Who truly cares about humanity here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 Aw'right, I say we outlaw black and white scarfs immediately. Would that help? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 Next these posters will be blaming the attack on Canada's support of Israel. There was very little, if any mention here about the plot to bomb the BC legislature on Canada Day last year. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/alleged-canada-day-bomb-plot-targeted-b-c-legislature-1.1408115 How do we sit back and suck down the narrative that the Ottawa shooting was one of the worst terror incidents on Canadian soil, when the BC incident goes pretty much ignored. The fact is there's a narrative out there about ISIS and the war that we're getting involved in. Even if that mission is the right thing to do, and it certainly is (whether I agree with how we're doing it or not), the narrative in the media right now is one about fighting terror. This event plays right into that and that's why they're playing it up as this massive terror plot, while what was by far closer to an actual terror plot in BC goes practically ignored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkman Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 (edited) Aw'right, I say we outlaw black and white scarfs immediately. Would that help? No, I think outlawing terrorists is enough. Edited October 24, 2014 by sharkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scared.In.Canada Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 I'd like to see concentrated effortes by the RCMP, local police forces and the Canadian Spy Agency to secretly infiltrate suspected mosques who are preaching hatred and promoting violent Jihad against the west. If we have to hire some more brown agents then so be it but before we hire them we must first put them through strenous tests to ensure that they are loyal to Her majesty's Canada and not the Islamic nation across the pond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 No, I think outlawing terrorists is enough. You mean there's no laws against terrorism? We should probably do something about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scared.In.Canada Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 Did you check to see if he registered his gun? If he did what impact did that have on stopping him from killing people? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 I think it's more the saving of lives that they are celebrating. Yep....much more important than celebrating and saving the lives of criminals/terrorists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scared.In.Canada Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 Much more importantly. Was the gun registered? Did anyone research this? The long gun registry was supossed to protect us against this type of behaviour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 I am surprised that the prop and anti gun control folks have not jumped into this incident. I assume you meant pro............None the less, both sides have been "active" to a degree. Gun control advocate Ron Charach sent the follwing letter to the Calgary Herald (which has since been removed): BY RON CHARACH, CALGARY HERALD OCTOBER 23, 2014 8:17 AM It never occurred to the leaders of the opposition to oppose our going to war against ISIS based on our inability to adequately defend the homeland from homegrown terrorist sympathizers. Yet, that is the case, and after seven years of weakening, relaxing and easing our gun laws, what happened on Parliament Hill, and another siege of a Canadian city, was inevitable. In this, our so-called public safety minister, Steven Blaney, must accept direct blame, since he did not advocate amending the defective C-19, and was about to propose the even more egregious C-42, which would have loosened rules on the transport of even the most dangerous firearms from place to place. However unwittingly, Blaney is a fifth column for the terrorists. He is not working with the head of CSIS and the RCMP, but at cross purposes to them. Blaney must do the honourable thing and resign, and his post should be handed to an opposition MP who is in no way beholden to the Canadian gun lobby. Ron Charach Toronto As stated, said inane letter was briefly posted then retracted due to the outcry of reasonable people......... And on the inverse, the NFA has been suggesting the young Highlander was denied his right to self defense, like other members of the Canadian Forces, whom in the last few days have (as they suggest) been applying for ATC permits......likewise, they're using stories of Members of Parliament grabbing flag poles in their meeting rooms to defend themselves from the attack as reason to further grant ATC permits, coupled with numerous forthwith calls for concealed carry to fend off such attacks.......... The extreme elements from both side never let a crisis go to waste.........(For the record, I do favor concealed carry, but for many more reasons than fending off terrorists, but I disagree with the NFA (likewise gun control types) lunging into such memes not only right after a crisis, but during it) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 The gun freaks will get on the pulpit for a bit. Cooler heads will prevail, thankfully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scared.In.Canada Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 The gun freaks will get on the pulpit for a bit. Cooler heads will prevail, thankfully. I jus twant to know if his gun was registered since he lived in Quebec and Quebec still has the registry. How did this registry not prevent this? All the pro registry people said it would. Did it work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 I jus twant to know if his gun was registered since he lived in Quebec and Quebec still has the registry. How did this registry not prevent this? All the pro registry people said it would. Did it work? Actually they don't still have the registry, they are trying to get it back. In any case, the registry can't prevent people from becoming whacky due to drug addiction or religious affiliation, or whatever. It's meant to stop you from getting a gun in the first place if you have some of these afflictions, and to let the cops know what they might expect when they come to your house if the Shit hits the fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 I jus twant to know if his gun was registered since he lived in Quebec and Quebec still has the registry. How did this registry not prevent this? All the pro registry people said it would. Did it work? No, the RCMP has confirmed (in Paulson's press statement) that he never had a licence.......to add, the database Quebec still has is long dated, coupled with the age of design and prevalence of the firearm type (either Winchester 1892 or 1894 lever gun), the odds are this firearm predated the 1960s, in which case, its doubtful it even has a modern serial number, hence even if the actual gun was registered currently (or in the past), unless the shooter had on him the registration papers, its likely the RCMP will never know the guns history (barring a still legible manufacturers stamp or a previous owner carving his SIN/DL number somewhere on the gun) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scared.In.Canada Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 I see. Ok thanks guys. I just thought I'd try to make some hay if I could. Too bad, it would've been a great piece of propaganda for the pro gun lobby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 ....to add, the database Quebec still has is long dated, coupled with the age of design and prevalence of the firearm type (either Winchester 1892 or 1894 lever gun), the odds are this firearm predated the 1960s, in which case, its doubtful it even has a modern serial number, .... Yup...that's what I found odd about the Twitter account photo...why would this guy be running around with a collectible repeating rifle ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 (edited) Yup...that's what I found odd about the Twitter account photo...why would this guy be running around with a collectible repeating rifle ? The first reports suggested it was a SxS shotgun, which I thought odd (unless the barrel given a trim), but after seeing the photo from Twitter (the exposed hammer), I knew then that he wasn't a legal owner (nor had a straw purchaser), fore if he had of been, a $200 SKS would have been a more viable "option"..........Clearly either stolen, smuggled in or even found in the bush, like most crime guns........After an SMLE or a Cooey repeater, a 1892/94 lever is one of the most common rifles in Canada (and in the States) based on the numbers produced alone in the last ~120 years......... What would be ironic in some ways, is if its determined the gun was a once surplus RCMP/North-West mounted police rifle..... Edited October 24, 2014 by Derek 2.0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 Funny how some of "the little boys" like tho chat about their "toys' and completely miss the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 Funny how some of "the little boys" like tho chat about their "toys' and completely miss the point. Do/did you have a point? Funny that you'd resort to name calling when two members are discussing, in a civil and polite fashion, the firearm used in the Ottawa attack, and how the shooter could have obtained said firearm in a country with stringent firearms laws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 You're discussing nonsense nuances about little gun toys. Naught to do with the real problem. But, carry on. I know you and your buds are gun fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 (edited) You're discussing nonsense nuances about little gun toys. Naught to do with the real problem. But, carry on. I know you and your buds are gun fans. So you're suggesting the Ottawa shooter's gun was not a "real problem" in the shooting? To add, since you feel this to be so, what do you hope to gain by insulting two members discussing the topic? You attempted to delve into the subject, granted with namely incorrect information, in this post: Actually they don't still have the registry, they are trying to get it back. In any case, the registry can't prevent people from becoming whacky due to drug addiction or religious affiliation, or whatever. It's meant to stop you from getting a gun in the first place if you have some of these afflictions, and to let the cops know what they might expect when they come to your house if the Shit hits the fan. So, you're able to discuss firearms related laws (granted incorrectly) in this thread, but when others do so, you result to unprovoked personal attacks of said members.......how is this congruent to adult discourse? In public, do you interrupt conversations that you're not included in? Do you feel people don't pay you enough attention, if so, can you fathom why people might ignore you when you interject with insults and incorrect statements? Clearly such behavior is found in public places at times, but often by children or the mentally ill person living in a dumpster...... Edited October 24, 2014 by Derek 2.0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 (edited) I am glad to see Canadian Muslims taking a stand against violence and terrorism 'in their name'. Ottawa shooting: Canadian Muslims denounce attacks Muslim groups respond to the Ottawa shooting Canadian Muslim groups have condemned the two deadly attacks this week, saying the incidents have no connection to Islam or its beliefs. ... There was an official book of condolences at Hamilton City Hall, guarded by an Argyll, but the armoury on James Street North became the focus for people offering their condolences.Members of Hamilton's Muslim community laid a wreath and categorically condemned the attack."It misrepresents Islam and blemishes the name of Islam," said Dr. Ali Ghouse, president of the Muslim Council of Greater Hamilton. "We are really saddened by what has happened in Ottawa yesterday, about the killing of an innocent soldier, who was there on guard for us. For us to enjoy our freedom, for us to enjoy our liberties. On behalf of all the Muslims in Hamilton, we are deeply grieved, we convey our sympathies and condolences to the family for the loss of innocent life." . And of course the real issue ... mental illness: http://m.thestar.com/#/article/news/canada/2014/10/24/what_propelled_michael_zehafbibeau_on_path_to_radicalization.html Dave Bathurst, a friend of the gunman while he was living in B.C., said he never saw signs of an Islamic fundamentalist, but rather possible mental illness, according to reports. He spoke about being haunted by the devil. Last seen in a Burnaby, B.C., mosque in September, Zehaf-Bibeau spoke of wanting to travel to the Middle East for language and religious studies, Bathurst told The Globe and Mail. Edited October 24, 2014 by jacee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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