waldo Posted October 19, 2014 Report Share Posted October 19, 2014 why would someone continue to go to the trouble of taking a member's name out of a captured quote? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted October 19, 2014 Report Share Posted October 19, 2014 There you go, moving the goalposts again: you don't need to know my gender for others to know that you are a misogynist. There is no conenction. Not a nice try at all hater. and you do it yet again here. I'm simply asking you why you're so fixated on JT's hair and that in his teaching career, he taught a drama class? Items you repeatedly draw reference to. My most recent directed question fits to your apparent uneasiness with 'the arts'... did you have a bad experience in that regard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted October 19, 2014 Report Share Posted October 19, 2014 the next election will be a choice between Trudeau now and Harper now, not Harper 1990 and Trudeau now. ya think! I simply highlighted the hypocrisy Harper Conservative supporters display when they so blindly accepted the early Harper... wonder what it was about that Harper, that Harper partisans thought he "was ready", that he "was not in over his head", that he "was a serious politician"??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keepitsimple Posted October 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2014 ya think! I simply highlighted the hypocrisy Harper Conservative supporters display when they so blindly accepted the early Harper... wonder what it was about that Harper, that Harper partisans thought he "was ready", that he "was not in over his head", that he "was a serious politician"??? It's a dumb "highlight" and just another attempt to deflect and annoy. Was Harper ready to be PM in 2005 - a resounding YES. He had already shown his leadership by uniting the Conservative Party after almost 15 years of a divided Right. Is Justin Trudeau ready for prime time now? It seems that every time he's allowed to veer off script, he shoots himself in the foot and then puts that foot in his mouth. Those are just the facts - difficult for you to accept about your boy - but hey, if you think he'll be a good solid leader, good for you - go and vote for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted October 19, 2014 Report Share Posted October 19, 2014 It's a dumb "highlight" and just another attempt to deflect and annoy. Was Harper ready to be PM in 2005 - a resounding YES. He had already shown his leadership by uniting the Conservative Party after almost 15 years of a divided Right. Is Justin Trudeau ready for prime time now? It seems that every time he's allowed to veer off script, he shoots himself in the foot and then puts that foot in his mouth. Those are just the facts - difficult for you to accept about your boy - but hey, if you think he'll be a good solid leader, good for you - go and vote for him. Harper is still not ready, and he'll be shown the door next Oct. He started out as an office boy and he still exudes that sort of presence. He lords over cabinet full of whipped pups who spout endlessly boring talking points that make you want to pull your finger nails out after the umpteenth time of listening to them. Canadians deserve much better. We should be prominent on the world stage. We have declined considerably there during Harper's time. Let's move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted October 19, 2014 Report Share Posted October 19, 2014 (edited) Gesca brings you: Terrain d'entente Trudeau Snr never wrote such a book. Chretien never wrote straight from his heart, nor from any lion's den. Laurier received such a book at the end of his career, written by Winnipeg's Dafoe. And that is to beg the key question that all journalists should ask of Trudeau Jnr: Who was the ghostwriter of this memoir? Justin Trudeau n'est pas le seul auteur de son autobiographie. Puisqu'il a «beaucoup de difficultés avec la page blanche», le politicien a plutôt choisi de faire des entrevues avec son éditeur qui les a transcrites puis rassemblées dans un récit. Il a ensuite réécrit chaque chapitre «pour que ce soit l'histoire que je voulais», explique le chef libéral. Cette première version a été travaillée en anglais puis traduite en français. Hic. Edited October 19, 2014 by August1991 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keepitsimple Posted October 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2014 (edited) Nothing new about a politician writing a book prior to an election. I'm looking forward to how his hair will be styled for the cover of the book. That's a pretty broad stroke using the term "politician". Can you enlighten me as to which leader wrote a book about himself in the lead-up to a Federal election? Edited October 19, 2014 by Keepitsimple Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted October 19, 2014 Report Share Posted October 19, 2014 ya think! I simply highlighted the hypocrisy Harper Conservative supporters display when they so blindly accepted the early Harper... wonder what it was about that Harper, that Harper partisans thought he "was ready", that he "was not in over his head", that he "was a serious politician"??? Harper had spent years as a political operative learning the ropes. He got the leadership job on his own merits. JT spent little time doing anything around politics until being largely acclaimed as leader based on his name and prettiness (no one calls Harper pretty). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted October 19, 2014 Report Share Posted October 19, 2014 (edited) Harper is still not ready, and he'll be shown the door next Oct. He started out as an office boy and he still exudes that sort of presence. He lords over cabinet full of whipped pups who spout endlessly boring talking points that make you want to pull your finger nails out after the umpteenth time of listening to them. Canadians deserve much better. We should be prominent on the world stage. We have declined considerably there during Harper's time. Let's move on. And yet, Trudeau has already demonstrated his contempt for MPs as well as senators. They find out about his major decisions by reading the newspapers like everyone else. How you think that's going to change the current system, where it's all about the great leader is beyond me. The only change will be in the ideology and language (lots more Quebecers) of the 'boys in short pants' in the PMO who send MPs their marching orders. Edited October 19, 2014 by Argus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted October 19, 2014 Report Share Posted October 19, 2014 That's a pretty broad stroke using the term "politician". Can you enlighten me as to which leader wrote a book about himself in the lead-up to a Federal election? "Everyone does it. It's a rite of passage, almost, for political leaders," Toronto-based political strategist Marcel Wieder said. There is now a trend for politicians to write a book in the run up to an election, especially in the States and Canadian politicians are following the trend. Chretian wrote 'Straight From The Heart" before he became PM. Olivia Chow has released her memoirs in her run for Mayor. We will certainly see many more in Canadian politics. http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/08/08/justin-trudeau-memoir-autobiography-book_n_5661143.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted October 19, 2014 Report Share Posted October 19, 2014 Harper had spent years as a political operative learning the ropes. He got the leadership job on his own merits. years as a political operative??? Well he spent less than a year as an aide to a PC MP... there's that. Then he was "taken under the wing of Manning" (until they split... for the first time)... there's that. Then the National Citizens Coaltion got him elected as a Reform MP... there's that. Then Harper had a series of disagreements within the Reform party... and he left politics altogether to join the National Citizens Coaltion... there's that. Then there's the infamous "Alberta firewall" position he fronted... there's that. Then there's all those stink-tank speeches he gave during that period... there's that. Then some former Reform types had enough of Stockwell Day's leading the Alliance Party and moved to support the National Citizen Coaltion leader, Harper, in a run for the Alliance leadership... that he won, there's that. Then Ezrant stepped aside and gave up his own riding nomination to allow Harper to run for a seat in Parliament... there's that. Then we had Harper posture over Canada not going into Iraq... there's that. as for winning the Conservative party leadership on his "own merits"... considering he ran against Tony Clement and Belinda Stronach... . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted October 19, 2014 Report Share Posted October 19, 2014 When you're buying Trudeau Junior's book, add a few bucks and get this one too - probably best to read it first: Link: http://www.amazon.ca/The-Truth-About-Trudeau-Plamondon/dp/0986824216 Probably best to read this one too: Irresponsible Government: The Decline of Parliamentary Democracy in Canada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC Bud Posted October 19, 2014 Report Share Posted October 19, 2014 (edited) At least Obama had an incredible journey to relate. Son of a prime minster going into politics would be about as exciting as the Al Gore Story. I don't know about that. Lots of people, myself included, would like to learn about his growing up as a son of one of the more notable Canadians of all time. How his opinions and beliefs were formed and his life up to this point would be very interesting and illuminating. Edited October 19, 2014 by BC Bud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 years as a political operative??? Well he spent less than a year as an aide to a PC MP... there's that. Then he was "taken under the wing of Manning" (until they split... for the first time)... there's that. Then the National Citizens Coaltion got him elected as a Reform MP... there's that. Then Harper had a series of disagreements within the Reform party... and he left politics altogether to join the National Citizens Coaltion... there's that. Then there's the infamous "Alberta firewall" position he fronted... there's that. Then there's all those stink-tank speeches he gave during that period... there's that. Then some former Reform types had enough of Stockwell Day's leading the Alliance Party and moved to support the National Citizen Coaltion leader, Harper, in a run for the Alliance leadership... that he won, there's that. Then Ezrant stepped aside and gave up his own riding nomination to allow Harper to run for a seat in Parliament... there's that. Then we had Harper posture over Canada not going into Iraq... there's that. as for winning the Conservative party leadership on his "own merits"... considering he ran against Tony Clement and Belinda Stronach... . Thank you for writing a whole bunch of text which basically agrees with what I said (even if you thought it said otherwise). I'm not sure how this contributes to the topic at hand, however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 (edited) I don't know about that. Lots of people, myself included, would like to learn about his growing up as a son of one of the more notable Canadians of all time. How his opinions and beliefs were formed and his life up to this point would be very interesting and illuminating. Grew up rich, unchallenged, given anything he ever wanted. Took a lazy degree in literature then spent a couple of years teaching drama and social studies. That's pretty much it. He'd be a nobody except for who his father was. Edited October 20, 2014 by Argus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 Thank you for writing a whole bunch of text which basically agrees with what I said (even if you thought it said otherwise). I'm not sure how this contributes to the topic at hand, however. "basically" agrees with you? No, it doesn't... but keep thinking that spartan Harper resume actually contains much of substance. Thanks for the "winning on his own merit" chuckle... going up against Clement (and Stronach) was a real test of that "merit"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribblet Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 So, Trudeau has written a book about himself and his acne -but wait - who helped him write it – you got it – a group effort with the media. Just imagine the Media Party out cry if four journalists helped PM Harper write his autobiography! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 Grew up rich, unchallenged, given anything he ever wanted. Took a lazy degree in literature then spent a couple of years teaching drama and social studies. That's pretty much it. He'd be a nobody except for who his father was. Grew up upper middle class, unchallenged, given anything he ever wanted. Took a lazy job being a mail boy then spent a couple of years working for the NCC and then went and got his Masters. Wow....much diff? BTW, for accuracy, JT has 2 degress and the Masters is on hold . Whew....huge difference! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 I feel so sorry for you poor persecuted right wingers. Media party, injustice doen by the media ad naseum. 2 majorities, and yet still the feelings of persecution are prevalent. So hard done by. Its actually quite funny to keep reading day after day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 Grew up upper middle class, unchallenged, given anything he ever wanted. Took a lazy job being a mail boy then spent a couple of years working for the NCC and then went and got his Masters. Wow....much diff? BTW, for accuracy, JT has 2 degress and the Masters is on hold . Whew....huge difference! Growing up middle class now is akin to growing up rich? Harper spent much of his time since his teens in politics. Trudeau not so much. The masters is 'on hold' because he flunked out... or was that the engineering one he flunked out of? Point is he wasn't involved in politics the way Harper was until his dad's friends made him leader of the Liberal party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 (edited) Growing up middle class now is akin to growing up rich? Harper spent much of his time since his teens in politics. Trudeau not so much. The masters is 'on hold' because he flunked out... or was that the engineering one he flunked out of? Point is he wasn't involved in politics the way Harper was until his dad's friends made him leader of the Liberal party. Harper fetching Manning's coffee, carrying his bags and taking his phone calls!!! Oh wait... Harper was also an intern for a former PC MP... there's that too! Then there's Harper's NCC friends getting him elected as a Reform MP... then there's Harper's former Reform friends getting him elected as the Alliance leader... then there's his good friend Ezrant who offered up his own nomination to allow Harper to run for a seat. Friends all around! Edited October 20, 2014 by waldo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 (edited) Growing up middle class now is akin to growing up rich?Not much diff between upper middle class and rich. Unless one is uber rich....Bronnfman/Rogers type. Harper spent much of his time since his teens in politics. Trudeau not so much.LOL....you poor fools. Such ignorance, ya didnt know PET talked politics all the time to his kids? Naw.....no learning about politics in THAT household. A member of the Young Liberals Club...wow! JT had the Head Master of the Liberal club at his beck and call. Wanna bet who learned the truth better? LOL! The masters is 'on hold' because he flunked out...Wrong guy, the one who flunked out was Harper...no wait, Harper dropped out of UofT after two months. Daddy said 'Now now Stevie, come sort mail out here in the west. Point is he wasn't involved in politics the way Harper was until his dad's friends made him leader of the Liberal party. Too funny ! I actually think you dont believe a lot of what you write. Keep the comedy coming Edited October 20, 2014 by Guyser2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keepitsimple Posted October 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 Does anyone actually know who wrote the book? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overthere Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 Does anyone actually know who wrote the book? the story given by cheerleaders like Michael Den Tandt is that Trudeau dictated it to a series of 'editors' who wrote it, then Trudeau did the final draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overthere Posted October 20, 2014 Report Share Posted October 20, 2014 What Harper did in his teens would matter if that Harper was running against Trudeau. But he isn't. The runoff is between Harper 2015 and Trudeau 2015. So, which guy in 2015 has the greater financial, foreign affairs and political acumen to run the 12th largest economy in the world? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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