On Guard for Thee Posted October 20, 2014 Report Posted October 20, 2014 You're being willfully blind in ignoring the context of Guelph - a riding that the Conservatives had no chance of winning - as demonstrated by the landslide Liberal win. If the PMO wanted to try something underhanded, do you really think they'd be stupid enough to pick Guelph? Give yourself a good shake - and then smack yourself a couple of times. Robocalls reached far beyond Guelph. Give yourself a shake. Or do you believe the lunar landing was staged in a studio in Hollywood? Quote
Smallc Posted October 20, 2014 Report Posted October 20, 2014 Do you have proof it isn't? If some "weenie" punk kid can access the CIMS system and farm it out through a robocall company and nobody knows about it? If that is true then perhaps these people shouldn't be in a position of authority. I don't need proof. You're the one with the assertion. Quote
Smallc Posted October 20, 2014 Report Posted October 20, 2014 Robocalls reached far beyond Guelph. Give yourself a shake. Or do you believe the lunar landing was staged in a studio in Hollywood? Since you have no proof of pretty much everything you've said, the tinfoil hat is squarely in your head, not his. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted October 20, 2014 Report Posted October 20, 2014 Since you have no proof of pretty much everything you've said, the tinfoil hat is squarely in your head, not his. Not really. I'm not the one who's been convicted. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted October 20, 2014 Report Posted October 20, 2014 Not yet. Oh but wait for the Duffy scandal. Quote
Bryan Posted October 20, 2014 Report Posted October 20, 2014 Neither has anyone in the PMO. Nor anyone who had any connection to anything outside of Guelph. No eveidence that a single person outside of Guelph received any calls, no evidence of the CIMS being accessed, nothing other than shenanigans in one riding that was full of shenanigans by both the LPC and CPC candidates. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted October 20, 2014 Report Posted October 20, 2014 Nor anyone who had any connection to anything outside of Guelph. No eveidence that a single person outside of Guelph received any calls, no evidence of the CIMS being accessed, nothing other than shenanigans in one riding that was full of shenanigans by both the LPC and CPC candidates. NO evidence is the wrong word. Not enough evidence is the correct phrase. But if you think a 20 year old kid pulled off robocals all by himself you may believe in goblins so be careful this time of year. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted October 20, 2014 Report Posted October 20, 2014 Nor anyone who had any connection to anything outside of Guelph. No eveidence that a single person outside of Guelph received any calls, no evidence of the CIMS being accessed, nothing other than shenanigans in one riding that was full of shenanigans by both the LPC and CPC candidates. Get your head out of the sand. Oh ever heard of Judge Richard Mosley? Quote
ReeferMadness Posted October 20, 2014 Report Posted October 20, 2014 (edited) Including the judge - he's on Harper's Payroll.......and you're right not to trust all those witnesses under oath - they were paid off as well. You're a shrewd character Topaz......we'd all do well to pay a little more attention to you....nobody's going to pull the wool over your eyes! Speaking of the judge.... what did he say? oh, yes - here it is: Judge Richard Mosley didn't annul the election results, but he did find that fraud occurred in the election. Electoral fraud. But surely, the it was just one bad apple I am satisfied, however, that the most likely source of the information used to make the misleading calls was the CIMS database maintained and controlled by the [Conservative Party of Canada], accessed for that purpose by a person or persons currently unknown to this court. OK, so 2 bad apples. 1 got caught. But surely, the Conservative Party did everything in its power to ensure that the guilty parties were brought to justice. In reviewing the procedural history and the evidence and considering the arguments advanced by the parties at the hearing, it has seemed to me that the applicants sought to achieve and hold the high ground of promoting the integrity of the electoral process while the respondent MPs engaged in trench warfare in an effort to prevent this case from coming to a hearing on the merits Just in case someone is unclear who he is talking about, the applicants that he is praising are a group of voters backed by the Council of Canadians. And the respondent MP's that tried to prevent the case from being heard on its merits? Conservative MP's Kelly Block, John Duncan, Jay Aspin, Joyce Bateman, Lawrence Toet and Ryan Leef. So, it now looks like in addition to people in their ranks committing electoral fraud, those law-and-order Conservatives that get giddy at the thought of jailing someone with a few pot plants pull out every trick in the book to undermine justice when it comes to voter fraud. Nice priorities. But still, the party is above reproach, right? Well, no. Mosley also criticized the Conservative Party for making "little effort to assist with the investigation at the outset," despite the obvious public interest. Voter fraud. MP's try to derail the process. Conservative Party doesn't help the investigation in spite of the fact that their database was most likely the source of the fraud. Doesn't that make you glad that we have a Conservative Government that came in to bring ethics and accountability to Ottawa? Edited October 20, 2014 by ReeferMadness Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
overthere Posted October 20, 2014 Report Posted October 20, 2014 NO evidence is the wrong word. Not enough evidence is the correct phrase. But if you think a 20 year old kid pulled off robocals all by himself you may believe in goblins so be careful this time of year. Evidence is information presented in court by a witness. If you have some of that, post it. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
Bryan Posted October 21, 2014 Report Posted October 21, 2014 NO evidence is the wrong word. Not enough evidence is the correct phrase. But if you think a 20 year old kid pulled off robocals all by himself you may believe in goblins so be careful this time of year. Three different court cases, not ONE SINGLE piece of evidence. Not ONE SINGLE witness even came forward to claim that they even received one of the calls. The entire thing was a fabrication by the National Post, that the fresh of the MSM was only happy to jump onto without doing any investigation, and that the NDP and the Council of Canadians took great delight in piling even more fabrications onto. Quote
waldo Posted October 21, 2014 Report Posted October 21, 2014 Evidence is information presented in court by a witness. If you have some of that, post it. Three different court cases, not ONE SINGLE piece of evidence. Not ONE SINGLE witness even came forward to claim that they even received one of the calls. The entire thing was a fabrication by the National Post, that the fresh of the MSM was only happy to jump onto without doing any investigation, and that the NDP and the Council of Canadians took great delight in piling even more fabrications onto. you're welcome ... "we found nuthin... cause we weren't allowed to find sumthin!" ... the investigative abilities of Elections Canada are/were quite limited, its investigation was quite compromised and it is/was under significant constraint. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted October 21, 2014 Report Posted October 21, 2014 Apparently Bryan you haven't heard of judge Mosley, else you would not make such uneducated statements. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted October 21, 2014 Report Posted October 21, 2014 Three different court cases, not ONE SINGLE piece of evidence. Not ONE SINGLE witness even came forward to claim that they even received one of the calls. The entire thing was a fabrication by the National Post, that the fresh of the MSM was only happy to jump onto without doing any investigation, and that the NDP and the Council of Canadians took great delight in piling even more fabrications onto. So you're saying they convicted Sona without one single piece of evidence? Better let the judge know that before they sentence him! Quote
Bryan Posted October 21, 2014 Report Posted October 21, 2014 So you're saying they convicted Sona without one single piece of evidence? Better let the judge know that before they sentence him! Try to keep up: Nor anyone who had any connection to anything outside of Guelph. No eveidence that a single person outside of Guelph received any calls, no evidence of the CIMS being accessed, nothing other than shenanigans in one riding that was full of shenanigans by both the LPC and CPC candidates. Quote
cybercoma Posted November 19, 2014 Report Posted November 19, 2014 Well I was certainly wrong about what I thought he would get.9 months in prison and 12 months probation.http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/michael-sona-convicted-in-robocalls-voter-fraud-scandal-faces-sentencing-today/article21646553/?click=sf_globefb Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted November 19, 2014 Report Posted November 19, 2014 I noticed also that the judge confirmed his suspicions that Sona did not act alone and also that Elections won't say if they are still investigating. That tells ya something I think. We may have not have heard the last of this issue. Quote
Big Guy Posted November 20, 2014 Report Posted November 20, 2014 (edited) I think he should have gotten 5 years with the sentence to be reviewed a year later depending on what Sona had decided to share. One major witness given immunity from prosecution for cooperating, another major witness has left the country and will not return to testify. As the judge has said, Sona is choosing to fall on the (9 months) knife to protect others. I would have preferred that it was a (5 year) sword so the pain might have changed his mind about being honest. Justice has not been served and this incident just adds to the disillusionment of the average Canadian in our justice system. Edited November 20, 2014 by Big Guy Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
On Guard for Thee Posted November 20, 2014 Report Posted November 20, 2014 Well your "5 year sword" thing doesn't work because he knew what the potential sentencing involved at the outset. He had no choice about which sword he fell on because sentencing comes after conviction. But he still has the power to name names which could assist EC if they are in fact continuing to investigate. Quote
cybercoma Posted November 20, 2014 Report Posted November 20, 2014 (edited) The Crown was calling for 1.5 years, but he was a first time offender. It's actually surprising he got any prison time at all, but certainly an indication of things to come. I wonder how many criminal convictions the Tories need around elections, expenses, and electoral financing before people start caring. According to Smallc no one gives a fig. This is your party that promised openness and accountability. What a joke. Edited November 20, 2014 by cybercoma Quote
Smallc Posted November 20, 2014 Report Posted November 20, 2014 People don't care...but this isn't my party. Quote
Keepitsimple Posted November 20, 2014 Author Report Posted November 20, 2014 This has always been the actions of a juvenile idiot with perhaps an idiotic accomplice. An idiot - because he picked a riding that the Conservatives had zero chance of winning - and they did in fact, lose by a landslide. Makes no sense - other than for Sona to run around bragging about how smart he was....which he apparently did. What an idiot. Quote Back to Basics
cybercoma Posted November 20, 2014 Report Posted November 20, 2014 So Tory campaigns are so poorly managed that they didn't even know one of their people was doing illegal things. Is that what you're arguing? Quote
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