Sona Sentencing Hearing Underway

[cybercoma]

Not so long ago we had a PM who had no idea what his entire caucus was doing.(Adscam)

So it's ok that the Tories do the same thing as Chrétien, despite promising accountability. Got it.

[Keepitsimple]

So Tory campaigns are so poorly managed that they didn't even know one of their people was doing illegal things. Is that what you're arguing?

Nope - I'm arguing that Sona was/is an idiot. That said, Guelph does seem to be a breeding ground for idiots - the Liberal MP was convicted and fined $4000 for making mis-leading robocalls. In reality though, each of over 300 ridings have individual campaigns for all three parties - almost 1000 campaigns with people coming and going - including a lot of younger workers. I'm sure there are a few more tricksters out there. Sona and Veleriote just happened to get caught.

[overthere]

So it's ok that the Tories do the same thing as Chrétien, despite promising accountability. Got it.

An individual going to jail for a crime vs nobody from the entire Liberal apparatus being charged after stealing $200 million of taxpayers money = 'the same thing'.

Yeah sure.

[PIK]

A yr is along time in politics. Todays news will be old news.

[overthere]

Not so long ago we had a PM who had no idea what his entire caucus was doing.(Adscam)

That is very funny.

If only it were true.

[On Guard for Thee]

This isn't a big deal at all. I don't see what all the hub bubb is about. I mean seriously. we have much more important things to worry about then some guy who made a few extra phone calls during an election.

The actual number of calls was in the thousands, and came from the CPC CIMS system. Maybe you don't care about being disenfranchised but thankfully the courts, and I would suggest most Canadians, have a different opinion.

[overthere]

Chretien said it himself on the stand. That he didnt know it was happening.

Yeah, it was The Rogue Bureaucrat, Chuck Guite that planned and executed the entire sinister plot.

The luckiest thing that ever happened to Chretien was the absolute loyalty of his bagmen. It cost his party 10 years in the political wilderness, but kept him out of jail.

[Topaz]

The other young guy that work with Sona that turned on him to get off any charges...the judge said they didn't believe what this guy was saying about what went down and the judge feels others are involved. Yes, like the manager who left the country a few months after the election.

[cybercoma]

Uhm hundreds of millions of dollars scam is not the same thing as a guy who makes a few extra phone calls. if you think it is I have to call into question your own judgement sir/madam.

electoral fraud. No big deal. Print the campaign stickers.

[Bryan]

electoral fraud. No big deal. Print the campaign stickers.

We get it, you really like hyperbole.

[On Guard for Thee]

We get it, you really like hyperbole.

You call electoral fraud hyperbole? Maybe go live in Cuba a while.

[Bryan]

You call electoral fraud hyperbole? Maybe go live in Cuba a while.

Apparently you're really fond of hyperbole too. Let us know when you want to have a serious conversation.

[ReeferMadness]

I think he should have gotten 5 years with the sentence to be reviewed a year later depending on what Sona had decided to share. One major witness given immunity from prosecution for cooperating, another major witness has left the country and will not return to testify. As the judge has said, Sona is choosing to fall on the (9 months) knife to protect others. I would have preferred that it was a (5 year) sword so the pain might have changed his mind about being honest.

Justice has not been served and this incident just adds to the disillusionment of the average Canadian in our justice system.

Well put. Where are all those "law and order" Conservatives now?

[On Guard for Thee]

Apparently you're really fond of hyperbole too. Let us know when you want to have a serious conversation.

OK, let me put it simply for you...if you don't think your vote is important enough to not be concerned by a political party trying to steal it from you, then you could easily lve where you don't even have a vote.

[Bryan]

OK, let me put it simply for you...if you don't think your vote is important enough to not be concerned by a political party trying to steal it from you, then you could easily lve where you don't even have a vote.

You're still acting like a cartoon. Nobody "stole" anyone's vote here, and Cubans absolutely do have a vote.

[cybercoma]

Apparently you're really fond of hyperbole too. Let us know when you want to have a serious conversation.

How is it hyperbole when that's exactly what he has been convicted of? He was "charged with having wilfully prevented or endeavoured to prevent an elector from voting at an election," convicted, and sentenced to 9 months in prison. The defence, but more importantly the judge and crown unanimously agreed that he did not act alone in that endeavour. The Tories also passed legislation to break up Elections Canada to make investigations more secretive and more difficult to conduct. Moreover, other Tories have been convicted of electoral fraud from the in-and-out scheme to Harper's own Parliamentary Secretary, Dean Del Mastro. You then have Bev Oda who made ludicrous expense claims and the entire Senate expense scandal revolving primarily around Harper appointees. Only a blind partisan would shrug this off. Clearly, instead of cleaning up the corruption and secrecy, Harper was just waiting for his turn at the trough. Conservatives like you should especially be holding this government to their promises of openness and accountability, but you're too busy drinking the Kool-aid and banging the drum to care.

[overthere]

The defence, but more importantly the judge and crown unanimously agreed that he did not act alone in that endeavour.

So when will there be charges laid?

You're angry that despite a long and thorough investigation, and due process in an impartial system, the people you hate have not been implicated. Now you're angry and shooting blanks to vent.

Enjoy.

I imagine that if the Crown had serious concerns there were others involved, they would offer Sona a plea bargain instead of making him the first person ever imprisoned on this charge. Instead, he chose a 9 month jail sentence. Or, there was no evidence of a massive criminal conspiracy and he got a sentence halfway between what the Crown and defence wanted....

You pick 'em, and knock your boots off building a conspiracy theory.

[PIK]

Cybor, does anyone care that martin (NDP) mouths off get sued and the unions pay it off for him. I doubt it.

[PIK]

And how much is a glass of orange juice where she is from? I would love to see the expense accounts of all chretiens trade trip to china, where he was actually setting up his retirement with Maurice strong,while bringing back a few million in contracts. Harper flies over and comes back with 2.5 billion in contracts, a money hub and preferred destination for Chinese tourists, something chretien could not do.

[On Guard for Thee]

You're still acting like a cartoon. Nobody "stole" anyone's vote here, and Cubans absolutely do have a vote.

And you can prove this how? Out of the thousands of calls sent out I'd venture a guess there were votes stolen. Besides, you don't have to succeed in stealing votes to go to jail, just trying to is enough.

[PIK]

And Paul Dewer?

[Topaz]

how about the former Conservative, who said he voted twice in the 2011 election, really? I can't believe a Conservative would do such a thing but he DID. I wonder if he knows anything about Pierre Poutine? http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/hamilton-man-admits-to-trying-to-vote-twice-in-last-federal-election-1.2113695

[Bryan]

And you can prove this how? Out of the thousands of calls sent out I'd venture a guess there were votes stolen. Besides, you don't have to succeed in stealing votes to go to jail, just trying to is enough.

You'd "venture a guess". Guessing is all you're doing. Not one single person who was not able to vote had been found. If that happened to you, would you be quiet about it?

[On Guard for Thee]

You'd "venture a guess". Guessing is all you're doing. Not one single person who was not able to vote had been found. If that happened to you, would you be quiet about it?

I certainly wouldn't and nor were thousands of Canadians in this case. That's not a guess, that's a fact. That's why Sona is going to jail for 9 months, or do you think that is a guess as well?