GostHacked Posted April 23, 2015 Report Posted April 23, 2015 The right to self-defense does not equal the right to incinerate. This I agree with. Again, before anyone misinterprets my words, I am against nuclear weapons. I'd love to see them all gone. Now for a reality check. I understand the concern with Iran having nuclear weapons (no one should have them), but this is part of my notion that ' If A can have X, B can have X'. Iran has seen every nation on it's doorstep invaded. Iran is using the North Korean option, get a nuke and they leave you alone. But if you believe that Iran is going to use the nuke for offense, then what of Israel's suspected 300+ nuclear weapons? What is a weapon good for if you are not going to use it? But then you say, the nukes are defensive. If a nuke is a defensive weapon, then some of your argument falls apart. If it is offensive, it still allows your argument to fall apart. Quote
jbg Posted April 23, 2015 Report Posted April 23, 2015 If a nuke is a defensive weapon, then some of your argument falls apart. If it is offensive, it still allows your argument to fall apart. That latter statement is one I disagree with. Israel has not declared Iran to be a cancer that must be eradicated. Israel has not declared Iran's destruction to be "non-negotiable." When a country speaks it should be taken at its word. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
ToadBrother Posted April 23, 2015 Report Posted April 23, 2015 That latter statement is one I disagree with. Israel has not declared Iran to be a cancer that must be eradicated. Israel has not declared Iran's destruction to be "non-negotiable." When a country speaks it should be taken at its word. That's what Otto von Bismarck said right before he triggered the Franco-Prussian War. Quote
jbg Posted April 23, 2015 Report Posted April 23, 2015 That's what Otto von Bismarck said right before he triggered the Franco-Prussian War. Good to see you back, TB, though I don't know to which Bismarck quote you refer. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
marcus Posted April 23, 2015 Report Posted April 23, 2015 That latter statement is one I disagree with. Israel has not declared Iran to be a cancer that must be eradicated. Israel has not declared Iran's destruction to be "non-negotiable." When a country speaks it should be taken at its word. Many irresponsible people have decided to change what Iran has said in order to further their agenda and spread misinformation. You either are ignorant about the facts or you are trying to spread misinformation. Iran has not "declared Israel a cancer that must be eradicated". No Iranian leader has declared Israel's destruction to be "non-negotiable". What Iran has said is that the Zionist regime must be wiped out. On the other hand, Israel has repeatedly said that "all options are on the table" when it comes to Iran. This includes Israel using nuclear weapons against Iran. When a country says that the option of a nuclear attack is on the table, that's some serious sh*t. If I were Iran, I would also want to do what is possible to deter a nuclear attack. Even if it means that I would need to have nuclear weapons. Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
jacee Posted April 25, 2015 Report Posted April 25, 2015 The right to self-defense does not equal the right to incinerate. Ya. Keep that in mind jbg. . Quote
jbg Posted April 25, 2015 Report Posted April 25, 2015 Ya. Keep that in mind jbg. . Has Israel used its nuclear weapon, assuming it has one? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
GostHacked Posted April 25, 2015 Report Posted April 25, 2015 Has Israel used its nuclear weapon, assuming it has one? It's a good question. And depends what you classify as a nuke. Some small tactical nukes are exempt from the NPT. I have no doubt Israel would consider it an option to nuke Iran. Quote
jbg Posted April 25, 2015 Report Posted April 25, 2015 It's a good question. And depends what you classify as a nuke. Some small tactical nukes are exempt from the NPT. I have no doubt Israel would consider it an option to nuke Iran. I assume they would defensively. Offensively they have no interest in incinerating Iran. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
GostHacked Posted April 25, 2015 Report Posted April 25, 2015 I assume they would defensively. Offensively they have no interest in incinerating Iran. How is a nuke used defensively? Quote
Rue Posted April 25, 2015 Report Posted April 25, 2015 Jacee put up or shut up. Explain the genocide of Palestinians. Explain how since 1948 if their population is growing and has grown at the rate there is, a genocide is taking place. No genocide has taken place.In fact there is a genocide happening in Sudan right now as we speak. For you to misappropriate the word and suggest Palestinians are being murdered en masse is intellectually dishonest and its the kind of irresponsible rhetoric that renders your comments lacking in any credibility. You want to come on this forum and wax poetic for a Palestinian state, do so. Knock yourself out. Spend your days and nights repeating the stale dated mantra that Israel should not exist as a Jewish state and smeer and demonize Zionists,Jews, Israelis, be my guest, but when you misappropriate words like genocide, I challenge you and I think it shows you will lower your rhetoric to the most repulsive of levels to try exploit the Palestinian issue for brownie points. Quote
jacee Posted April 26, 2015 Report Posted April 26, 2015 What is your suggestion for Israel to defend itself? Go to the U.N.? Negotiate in good faith without the poison pills. . Quote
jacee Posted April 26, 2015 Report Posted April 26, 2015 Has Israel used its nuclear weapon, assuming it has one? Not to my knowledge, but the white phosphorous was alarming. . Quote
jbg Posted April 26, 2015 Report Posted April 26, 2015 How is a nuke used defensively? As a Hail Mary pass if Israel is attacked and can't defend itself against oncoming hordes. Or if itself under nuclear attack. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jbg Posted April 26, 2015 Report Posted April 26, 2015 Negotiate in good faith without the poison pills. . The main user of "poison pills" was Arafat, who insisted on the "right of return" after the territorial lines were agreed upon. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Big Guy Posted April 27, 2015 Author Report Posted April 27, 2015 (edited) The Netanyahu Israeli government continues to thumb its nose at the rest of the world as it eats up more Palestinian land; http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/04/israel-invites-tenders-settlement-buildings-150427094646714.html Canada should not and cannot be party to such outrageous aggressive action. The sooner that we elect a new Canadian government which has an understanding of the mistake of supporting Israel, the sooner we can reject Israeli tactics and seek more humane allies in the region. Edited April 27, 2015 by Big Guy Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Rue Posted April 28, 2015 Report Posted April 28, 2015 JBG isn't it interesting a thread on the Palestinian Unity government is now used to call for a Canadian to be elected who hates Israel. I love this forum. Quote
Big Guy Posted April 28, 2015 Author Report Posted April 28, 2015 (edited) Rue - thank you for the brief comment. Your world appears to consist of love and hate only. That is unfortunate. There are a number of countries which I feel Canada should not be supporting for a variety of reasons. Israel is one of them. I believe the current Israeli government is thumbing its nose to the UN and even at its supposed closest ally - America with an even more aggressive settlement building program. I do not think that Canada or Canadians support that policy and I hope our next government reflects that view and looks to other allies in the Middle East. I believe that the Israeli policies and actions are removing themselves farther and farther away from other countries and that Canada should not be associated with those policies. Support for Israel does Canada absolutely no good but is just creating enemies by association and proxy. My country is Canada - that is my priority. What is yours? BTW - I believe that the opposite to love is not hate but apathy and the opposite to hate is not love but apathy. That is why I am apathetic to your views. Edited April 28, 2015 by Big Guy Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
GostHacked Posted April 28, 2015 Report Posted April 28, 2015 As a Hail Mary pass if Israel is attacked and can't defend itself against oncoming hordes. Or if itself under nuclear attack. Right, so it can be used as a defensive/deterrent element. No wonder Iran is seeking it. Could take some pressure off them. Quote
dre Posted April 28, 2015 Report Posted April 28, 2015 Right, so it can be used as a defensive/deterrent element. No wonder Iran is seeking it. Could take some pressure off them. Oh yeah... If any country has a case for wanting a nuclear deterent its Iran. They have been the target of bloody unprovoked invasions by their neighbors, the have some retarded cowboy naming them as a member of an "axis of evil", and a regional super power openly talking about bombing them. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
jacee Posted April 28, 2015 Report Posted April 28, 2015 (edited) JBG isn't it interesting a thread on the Palestinian Unity government is now used to call for a Canadian to be elected who hates Israel.'rejects Israel's tactics' actually.Your pity card wore out, Rue. . Edited April 28, 2015 by jacee Quote
jbg Posted April 29, 2015 Report Posted April 29, 2015 JBG isn't it interesting a thread on the Palestinian Unity government is now used to call for a Canadian to be elected who hates Israel. I love this forum. I have often said that anti-Zionism = anti-Semitism. His daddy rose aroiund Montreal with Nazi motorcycle gangs. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Rue Posted May 1, 2015 Report Posted May 1, 2015 Jacee your attempt to suggest I use or call for a pity card is false but its expected. If you want to debate a political issue go ahead. The stale attempt to daw me into a pissing match on a personal level is pointless. You've demonstrated your agenda on the forum.It speaks for itself. If you think contesting what you say calls for pity, knock yourself out. Quote
jacee Posted May 1, 2015 Report Posted May 1, 2015 If you criticize Israel's murder of thousands of Palestinians, you "hate Israel"? Give it a rest, rue. We don't like what Israel is doing, we don't support it's actions. Your pitiful baiting suggests you have nothing reasonable to say. . Quote
Hudson Jones Posted May 1, 2015 Report Posted May 1, 2015 I have often said that anti-Zionism = anti-Semitism. Yes you have. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
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