Social Justice Rap and Public Education

[socialist]

Now this is a superb example of how to teach social justice. Use rap and hip hop to connect with students who are at risk. Many of you have no clue how important social justice is. many of you have no clue what social justice is. Thank goodness Canada is home to many innovative public education teachers who see the promotion of social justice as the most important part of schooling.

Edited September 28, 2014 by socialist

[On Guard for Thee]

Yeah we keep hearing from you about we have no clue about this or that. Gettin' a bit old. Maybe you should "clue in"

[Michael Hardner]

Socialist do you have anything more to add in this thread ?

There doesn't seem to be anything here to discuss.

[socialist]

Socialist do you have anything more to add in this thread ?

There doesn't seem to be anything here to discuss.

I have a youtube video of a teacher using rap and hip hop to teach students.

[Michael Hardner]

That might be something to post - along with a discussion point about the video.

[Argus]

Thank goodness Canada is home to many innovative public education teachers who see the promotion of social justice as the most important part of schooling.

Too bad it wasn't home to innovative public education teaches who saw teaching kids how to read and to math as important.

[Michael Hardner]

Too bad it wasn't home to innovative public education teaches who saw teaching kids how to read and to math as important.

Too easy. The teaching day is long enough to teach values and skills, both.

[Argus]

Too easy. The teaching day is long enough to teach values and skills, both.

Evidently not.

Guy who shovels my drive might not have time this winter. He's teaching 5 courses at college this year, the most he's ever had.

He teaches remedial English and Math.

[Michael Hardner]

Sure it is. They always taught values and skills, nothing is new today as far as I can see.

The "Is our children learning ?" meme is very very old. Damn kids.

[Argus]

Sure it is. They always taught values and skills, nothing is new today as far as I can see.

The "Is our children learning ?" meme is very very old. Damn kids.

Maybe I just have higher standards than you do.

[Michael Hardner]

Maybe - but until somebody posts a link we are speculating

[socialist]

Maybe - but until somebody posts a link we are speculating

Most people don't understand modern public education. What's the point of memorizing useless facts when I can simply and quickly access facts on my Iphone?

Edited September 28, 2014 by socialist

[Guest]

You are kidding, aren't you?

I knew you were. Good one!

[overthere]

Too easy. The teaching day is long enough to teach values and skills, both.

There are many, many teachers who are sick unto death with being obliged to teach 'values' to children.

Many of them see that as being primarily the role of parents, or whomever the parent may delegate that task to, like a religious instructor.

Somehow, it has all become become incumbent on teachers.

[Big Guy]

You do not teach values. You may assist in influencing the creation of values in young people if you provide a positive role model in the classroom. You may also influence the future decision making of the youngster by providing examples of the consequences of using poor role models in forming a sense of values. The parental home, the faith or lack of such in the family and the environment in which the child is brought up has a far, far greater influence on the child than the teacher who sees the child as one of 30 in a classroom for 40 minutes a day.

[On Guard for Thee]

How many kids do you know who go to school for 40 minutes a day?

[Hal 9000]

Complete social engineering is what it is. I don't need or want somebody who hasn't seen the outside of a school teaching my kids social justice. Sorry, in the real world people work past 3pm, generally 12 months a year and can actually get fired.

What do these people know about the social world? They go out for sushi with other teachers on friday night...great!

What do they know about justice? Have they even seen it from their (mwahaha! I can't be fired job)?

Sorry, I'll teach my kid when and whom to share with and I'll teach them when to take what is theirs. Just teach my kid math and english, thank you! Leave the politics to me and keep your indoctrination to yourselves.

[Michael Hardner]

There are many, many teachers who are sick unto death with being obliged to teach 'values' to children. ...

Somehow, it has all become become incumbent on teachers.

This has been the case for a long time. Teaching fair play, respect, and so on has been part of public education since before I was in the system.

You do not teach values. You may assist in influencing the creation of values in young people if you provide a positive role model in the classroom.

They do try to teach values and have done for a long time. I personally know people who were able to get out of a bad environment by following teachers' advices.

[Michael Hardner]

Complete social engineering is what it is. I don't need or want somebody who hasn't seen the outside of a school teaching my kids social justice. Sorry, in the real world people work past 3pm, generally 12 months a year and can actually get fired.

Teachers that I have known work nights and weekends.

What do these people know about the social world? They go out for sushi with other teachers on friday night...great!

That's just a generalization. Educational material isn't dependent on the teachers' personal experiences anyway.

Sorry, I'll teach my kid when and whom to share with and I'll teach them when to take what is theirs. Just teach my kid math and english, thank you! Leave the politics to me and keep your indoctrination to yourselves.

As I said above, teaching values has been done for a long long time: civics, fair play, Canadian values.

If you want a say in what is taught then engage with the system, instead of throwing weak insults on here.

[cybercoma]

This has been the case for a long time. Teaching fair play, respect, and so on has been part of public education since before I was in the system.

They do try to teach values and have done for a long time. I personally know people who were able to get out of a bad environment by following teachers' advices.

And why wouldn't they? This idea that they shouldn't teach values is absurd. Children spend most of their waking hours in schools, interacting not just intellectually with each other and their teachers, but socially. Teachers are charged with the child's full development, intellectually and behaviourally. It's nice that some people say it should be up to the parents to teach those skills, but it's the teachers that spend the most time with these kids and it's the teachers that need to ensure that they're all behaving in such a way that the environment is conducive to learning for everyone there. This means teaching values and behaviours that are socially responsible, like respect for others. I mean, seriously, who the heck argues that teachers shouldn't teach students to respect others anyway? Who reasonably argues that students shouldn't be educated to a minimum sociobehavioural expectation that allows everyone to participate and learn without disruption?

Edited September 29, 2014 by cybercoma

[overthere]

This idea that they shouldn't teach values is absurd.

Incorrect.

The responsibility for teaching values is primarily that of parents.

Of course, teachers spend a lot of time with children most weekdays, but they cannot and should not take the lead. They can reinforce what parents do, of course. I do not abdicate this responsibility with my children.

Teachers hate having to teach children how to behave , beyond the boundaries of normal classroom discipline.

[Big Guy]

How many kids do you know who go to school for 40 minutes a day?

I would assume that most children who attend high school spend one period a day with each teacher depending what subjects they are taking. Many children in elementary school will also be taught by different teachers during the school day.

[Michael Hardner]

Incorrect.

The responsibility for teaching values is primarily that of parents.

...

Teachers hate having to teach children how to behave , beyond the boundaries of normal classroom discipline.

Primarily, sure. But they still teach values - Canadian values, fair play, etc.

They hate disciplining students, but I haven't heard that they hate teaching values in any form.

[Big Guy]

... Teachers are charged with the child's full development, intellectually and behaviourally. It's nice that some people say it should be up to the parents to teach those skills, but it's the teachers that spend the most time with these kids and it's the teachers that need to ensure that they're all behaving in such a way that the environment is conducive to learning for everyone there. This means teaching values and behaviours that are socially responsible ...

For example:

A teacher X teaches Social Studies at a school. Johnny takes Social Studies as an option and attends Ms X's class. There are 30 students in that class. Lets be generous and say this period lasts 60 minutes. Then Johnny gets 2 minutes per class time of teacher X's attention. If it is spread out uniformly.

There are about 190 teaching days a year so Johnny is expected to get 380 minutes a year or about 6 hours of direct attention from teacher X per year.

Johnny's parents have direct contact with their child when he/she is at home.

Let us say that Johnny is home in the morning – 1 hr, after school – 3 hrs – total of 4 hrs per school day or 20 hrs per school day per week. Now we have the weekends when the parents would be spending (I'll be generous) 8 hrs with Johnny. That would make it 28 hrs a school week.

Johnny goes to school for 10 months or about 40 weeks. So Johnny's parents see Johnny for 40 times 28 equals approx 1120 hrs with Johnny. Now we have the summer when Johnny is not in school for 2 months.

Johnny's parents are not that keen so they see him for only 5 hrs a day or 35 hrs a week. So for those summer weeks (let us assume 8 weeks) Johnny and his parents have him to themselves for 280 hrs.

So let's summarize ;

Teacher X has 6 potential hrs a year to directly impress Johnny.

Johnny's parents have about 1400 potential hrs to directly impress Johnny per year.

The parents have known Johnny since birth, know his personality and what motivates him and have seen him in good times and bad times.

The parents who already know this child, deal with him for at least 1400 hrs (about 230 times more interaction time with their child than teacher X), have rights of parental discipline, should now leave the instilling of values to teacher X?

Oh right, and how about reproduction, contraception, sexuality and morality - Ms X is supposed to do that too?

Edited September 29, 2014 by Big Guy

[cybercoma]

Just so we're clear, you want me to respond to your exercise in make-believe numbers?