Argus Posted August 16, 2014 Report Posted August 16, 2014 I didn't create the habit and I don't encourage or discourage, I just want to stop needlessly throwing people in jail. Again, you don't know how many are being thrown in jail for mere possession. I would agree that jail is not the right place for such people. Community service would be a better fit. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 16, 2014 Report Posted August 16, 2014 The claim was Trudeau smoked weed with Emery 4 or 5 times, which is not true. I made no claims about it. I merely said it was interesting that people didn't care that Trudeau was a liar. And whether it was once or four times he's still lying. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 16, 2014 Report Posted August 16, 2014 What about alcohol? I'm of two minds about alcohol. I don't drink myself, but I know many who do so quite safely and responsibly and do not endanger either their health or anyone else's health. It's the abusers who cause the trouble. But do you ban a widely enjoyed activity because of the few who abuse it? We would have to ban a lot of things, then, including gambling. Heck, maybe even sex! Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 16, 2014 Report Posted August 16, 2014 If you call Harper "clean" you're setting the bar awfully low. For instance, how did being "clean" earn him the dubious distinction of being the first PM in history to get the "contempt of parliament" award? If the Tories wanted to they could hold a hearing now and find Trudeau in contempt of parliament. All it takes is the votes. So it's essentially meaningless. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 16, 2014 Report Posted August 16, 2014 Because prohibition has always been so successful. We're speaking philosophically. I merely said I understood why it would be illegal. I have also already said it should be legalized simply because the societal disruption, cost and damage of trying to stop it outweighs the disruption, cost and damage of allowing it. The war on drugs has been a massive failure, clearly. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Mighty AC Posted August 16, 2014 Report Posted August 16, 2014 We're speaking philosophically. I merely said I understood why it would be illegal. I have also already said it should be legalized simply because the societal disruption, cost and damage of trying to stop it outweighs the disruption, cost and damage of allowing it. The war on drugs has been a massive failure, clearly. That sums up my opinion as well. I'm glad that more conservatives are seeing it this way. I expect the healthier pain management properties will help the older, mainly conservative, demographic come around on this issue as well. Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
PIK Posted August 16, 2014 Report Posted August 16, 2014 (edited) If you call Harper "clean" you're setting the bar awfully low. For instance, how did being "clean" earn him the dubious distinction of being the first PM in history to get the "contempt of parliament" award?That's it? , chretien's gov will go down as one of the most corrupted governments ever. As I said one of the cleanest ever. Edited August 16, 2014 by PIK Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
On Guard for Thee Posted August 16, 2014 Report Posted August 16, 2014 If the Tories wanted to they could hold a hearing now and find Trudeau in contempt of parliament. All it takes is the votes. So it's essentially meaningless. No they couldn't, that is done by commitee. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted August 16, 2014 Report Posted August 16, 2014 That's it? , chretien's gov will go down as one of the most corrupted governments ever. As I said one of the cleanest ever. Oh I'm sure Mulroney will give hem a run for his "Airbus" money. The Harper scandals are over the top and seem to keep popping up faster than one can keep track of. We'll see if the Robocalls conviction re-fires the EC investigation. Harper has to be a tad worried. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted August 16, 2014 Report Posted August 16, 2014 Again, you don't know how many are being thrown in jail for mere possession. I would agree that jail is not the right place for such people. Community service would be a better fit. Why do you maintain it needs to be an offence at all? Quote
Smallc Posted August 16, 2014 Report Posted August 16, 2014 I'm of two minds about alcohol. I don't drink myself, but I know many who do so quite safely and responsibly and do not endanger either their health or anyone else's health. It's the abusers who cause the trouble. But do you ban a widely enjoyed activity because of the few who abuse it? We would have to ban a lot of things, then, including gambling. Heck, maybe even sex! Evidence I provided here shows that there is no such thing as a safe level of alcohol. Quote
Keepitsimple Posted August 16, 2014 Report Posted August 16, 2014 No they couldn't, that is done by commitee. .....and the Conservatives would have a majority on the committee - just like the opposition did in the original "contempt" fiasco. Quote Back to Basics
On Guard for Thee Posted August 16, 2014 Report Posted August 16, 2014 .....and the Conservatives would have a majority on the committee - just like the opposition did in the original "contempt" fiasco. He quite clearly withheld information from parliament. Even after being asked by the speaker to provide the files after complaints from the opposition, hence "contempt" Quote
Argus Posted August 16, 2014 Report Posted August 16, 2014 No they couldn't, that is done by commitee. And the majority controls the committees. <shrug> Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 16, 2014 Report Posted August 16, 2014 Evidence I provided here shows that there is no such thing as a safe level of alcohol. And other evidence contradicts it. There is universal decision on the subject. Tons of doctors drink socially. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
-1=e^ipi Posted August 16, 2014 Report Posted August 16, 2014 (edited) How does the conservatives having a bad policy stance on marijuana justify voting for the Liberal Party? All the major parties suck and are unworthy of governing. Why not spoil your ballot? Edited August 16, 2014 by -1=e^ipi Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted August 16, 2014 Report Posted August 16, 2014 And the majority controls the committees. <shrug> Too bad the budget blew him away before it got to a vote in the house, otherwise Harper could have been pounding rocks in the hot sun. Oh well he's still got the senate scandal, the Duffy trial, the F 35, now Robocalls, etc., etc. Don't shrug, it will be an interesting fall sitting I'm quite sure. Quote
waldo Posted August 16, 2014 Report Posted August 16, 2014 And other evidence contradicts it. There is universal decision on the subject. Tons of doctors drink socially. just sayin . Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted August 17, 2014 Report Posted August 17, 2014 And the majority controls the committees. <shrug> A question you might want to consider is how did this issue get to commitee in the first place. Do you think the opposition took the house speaker into the alley and twisted his arm? Quote
Argus Posted August 17, 2014 Report Posted August 17, 2014 A question you might want to consider is how did this issue get to commitee in the first place. Do you think the opposition took the house speaker into the alley and twisted his arm? Why would I even care about this? The Tories are secretive? You think that's a surprise? They're competent, which vastly outweighs anything else. I have few illusions the Trudeau Liberals will be less secretive and even less they'll be more competent. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
kimmy Posted August 17, 2014 Report Posted August 17, 2014 All the major parties suck and are unworthy of governing. Why not spoil your ballot? Because somebody is still going to get elected. Even if you don't see a "good" option on the ballot, there are still differing degrees of "bad". -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
Smallc Posted August 17, 2014 Report Posted August 17, 2014 And other evidence contradicts it. There is universal decision on the subject. Tons of doctors drink socially. Actually, there is no evidence that contradicts it. Alcohol is a poisonous carcinogen. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted August 17, 2014 Report Posted August 17, 2014 Why would I even care about this? The Tories are secretive? You think that's a surprise? They're competent, which vastly outweighs anything else. I have few illusions the Trudeau Liberals will be less secretive and even less they'll be more competent. I tend to care when the government refuses to provide information they are duty and legally bound to provide. Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted August 17, 2014 Author Report Posted August 17, 2014 (edited) Sugar is also very addictive and very unhealthy. It causes many health problems and can shorten one's life. Should it also be illegal or restrictions put on its use? Edited August 17, 2014 by WestCoastRunner Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Smallc Posted August 17, 2014 Report Posted August 17, 2014 There are restrictions on it's use, and there should be more. Quote
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