How Trudeau is winning my vote

cybercoma · October 7, 2014

Forum is the same pollster that's way out in right field in the Toronto municipal election too. First, the managed to gather and report a poll in just about 4 hours, which raises red flags. Then the results showed Ford nearly tied with Tory, which is such a major outlier as to be laughable. They consistently have Tory's support much lower than every other polling firm and Ford's support consistently higher. They were the ones to have Hudak with a majority government on the evening of the Ontario election. And now against the polling averages they have federal Grit support slipping? Given their poor history, I'm extremely skeptical of any of their numbers. Best to stick with Éric Grenier's polling averages over at ThreeHundredEight.com

The_Squid · October 7, 2014

Here is the current "poll of polls" from ThreeHundredEight.com:

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PIK · October 7, 2014

Or these that paints a picture not great for trudeau.

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/poll/

cybercoma · October 7, 2014

Or these that paints a picture not great for trudeau.

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/poll/

Do you understand how polling works at all? Do you really think a handful of votes (250 or so) from Sun News website visitors is even remotely generalizable to the voting population of Canada? Do you know what sampling bias is?

On Guard for Thee · October 7, 2014

Or these that paints a picture not great for trudeau.

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/poll/

Can you not see how laughably biased this "poll" is? I don't think JT needs to let this nonsense worry him too much.

cybercoma · October 7, 2014

Can you not see how laughably biased this "poll" is? I don't think JT needs to let this nonsense worry him too much.

I'm starting to wonder if the account is a leftist's gimmick to make conservatives look bad.

Edited October 7, 2014 by cybercoma

PIK · October 7, 2014

Do you understand how polling works at all? Do you really think a handful of votes (250 or so) from Sun News website visitors is even remotely generalizable to the voting population of Canada? Do you know what sampling bias is?

A lot of liberal seats in Ottawa. And since they belong to the largest media outfit across Canada( or did) , a lot of people will see it., ya it matters. Edited October 7, 2014 by PIK

On Guard for Thee · October 7, 2014

I'm starting to wonder if the account is a leftist's gimmick to make conservatives look bad.

Hmm, interesting thought. It does have that effect alright.

guyser · October 7, 2014

And since they belong to the largest media outfit across Canada( or did)

Fourth, not first.

The_Squid · October 7, 2014

Or these that paints a picture not great for trudeau.http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/poll/

Lol

Internet polling? Do you think the TO Star's internet polling would give you the same results?

PIK · October 7, 2014

Lol

Internet polling? Do you think the TO Star's internet polling would give you the same results?

Out of the 100's of polls one has to be right.

The_Squid · October 7, 2014

Out of the 100's of polls one has to be right.

Actually, no they don't. Internet polling that is simply done by whomever wants to fill them out are completely useless.

cybercoma · October 8, 2014

A lot of liberal seats in Ottawa. And since they belong to the largest media outfit across Canada( or did) , a lot of people will see it., ya it matters.

Sampling bias makes those polls useless. They are not generlizable to the entire voting population and are not conducted in a rigorous scientific manner. It's absurd that I would even have to explain that to you. Do you really not know the difference between polls conducted by firms like Ekos, Forum and CRA and the garbage opinion polls on news sites? That's not just Sun News, but any news site. These polls are not representative due to sampling bias.

PIK · October 8, 2014

http://www.ipsos-na.com/news-polls/pressrelease.aspx?id=6618

How about this one.

Mighty AC · October 8, 2014

http://www.ipsos-na.com/news-polls/pressrelease.aspx?id=6618

How about this one.

I wonder what the poll results would look like if all of the needs and costs involved in this situation along with Canada's available budget were explained and respondents were then asked how we could best contribute?

Imagine if Canadians learned about all the displaced people that need to be fed, clothed, sheltered and protected. All of the infrastructure and facilities that will be needed and will need repair. All of the training of local forces that will be required in areas vulnerable to ISIL attacks. I wonder then if Canadians would feel that our limited military resources are best used to contribute a tiny fraction of the attack force necessary, or if they'd feel the same people, money and resources could make a more useful contribution on some of the humanitarian and training roles listed.

Smallc · October 8, 2014

That's well and good, but while people are being slaughtered, it's kind of impossible to do anything about it. All the expert testimony of late has convinced me that the coalition should be going beyond an air war and putting boots on the ground.

overthere · October 8, 2014

We have to think outside the box folks.

These ISIL chaps love to saw off heads.

We don't want our plucky lads on the ground.

We have aircraft capable of delivering payloads.

Let's saw the heads off ordinary Canadian corpses at local mortuaries and airdrop them into ISIL territory. Another major source of heads is in the lower colons of political forum posters, they can be easily harvested too.

It's a win win.

PIK · October 8, 2014

I wonder what the poll results would look like if all of the needs and costs involved in this situation along with Canada's available budget were explained and respondents were then asked how we could best contribute?

Imagine if Canadians learned about all the displaced people that need to be fed, clothed, sheltered and protected. All of the infrastructure and facilities that will be needed and will need repair. All of the training of local forces that will be required in areas vulnerable to ISIL attacks. I wonder then if Canadians would feel that our limited military resources are best used to contribute a tiny fraction of the attack force necessary, or if they'd feel the same people, money and resources could make a more useful contribution on some of the humanitarian and training roles listed.

How many times does it need to be explained that you can't do the humanitarian until the PROBLEM has be taken care off. And Canadians are on board with this.Trudeau made a big mistake with his flopping and mulcair stood his ground like the NPD do.

Mighty AC · October 8, 2014

How many times does it need to be explained that you can't do the humanitarian until the PROBLEM has be taken care off.

So displaced people just chill until ISIL is wiped out or contained? We shouldn't rebuild infrastructure and facilities in cleared areas until the conflict is completely over? C'mon PIK, shake that head a few times.

Smallc · October 8, 2014

So displaced people just chill until ISIL is wiped out or contained? We shouldn't rebuild infrastructure and facilities in cleared areas until the conflict is completely over? C'mon PIK, shake that head a few times.

You don't rebuild infrastructure while it's being blown up. You create temporary structures and deliver aid while eliminating the problem. That's what Canada is doing now. There's nothing else to be done.

PIK · October 8, 2014

So displaced people just chill until ISIL is wiped out or contained? We shouldn't rebuild infrastructure and facilities in cleared areas until the conflict is completely over? C'mon PIK, shake that head a few times.

If there is a cleared area and not in any danger of being taken back again. It is just not that easy. Like baird said if your house is burning down you call the firemen and then a ambulance. Something like that.

PIK · October 8, 2014

This is the right thing to do, but you need to put away the hate for harper and support this move.

Mighty AC · October 8, 2014

You don't rebuild infrastructure while it's being blown up. You create temporary structures and deliver aid while eliminating the problem. That's what Canada is doing now. There's nothing else to be done.

If there is a cleared area and not in any danger of being taken back again. It is just not that easy. Like baird said if your house is burning down you call the firemen and then a ambulance. Something like that.

There are already displaced people needing care and some areas are cleared very quickly. If 10 houses on the street are burning, the ambulance doesn't wait until the last one is out.

Mighty AC · October 8, 2014

This is the right thing to do, but you need to put away the hate for harper and support this move.

There are a lot of jobs to do during a military offensive. Are Canada's meager resources best used to attack or help out with some of the many other tasks? I don't think the US needs a handful of old planes to help to attack ISIL, however they do benefit from our diplomatic support. I think that giving our full diplomatic support and spending our budget for this operation on some of the many and expensive humanitarian tasks would have been the most beneficial solution.

Keepitsimple · October 8, 2014

There are a lot of jobs to do during a military offensive. Are Canada's meager resources best used to attack or help out with some of the many other tasks? I don't think the US needs a handful of old planes to help to attack ISIL, however they do benefit from our diplomatic support. I think that giving our full diplomatic support and spending our budget for this operation on some of the many and expensive humanitarian tasks would have been the most beneficial solution.

Don't you get it? How about Belgium, the Dutch, Denmark, Australia and their "meager" resources - they seem to find a way to do both. It's not an either/or proposition - not for them, not for us.....and hey, humanitarian efforts are mostly done through NGOs - and what do they need to do their job? Money, supplies and yes wait for it.....security.