eyeball Posted September 20, 2014 Report Posted September 20, 2014 I don't know any women like that but I do know plenty who wonder when the hell people will finally let this issue go. The fact it keeps bubbling up is offensive - like a bad odour. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Argus Posted September 20, 2014 Report Posted September 20, 2014 I don't know any women like that but I do know plenty who wonder when the hell people will finally let this issue go. The fact it keeps bubbling up is offensive - like a bad odour. Then why not simply allow the same rules as the Swedes have and be done with? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
eyeball Posted September 20, 2014 Report Posted September 20, 2014 We're not Swedish would be my guess. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
WestCoastRunner Posted September 20, 2014 Author Report Posted September 20, 2014 I don't know any women like that but I do know plenty who wonder when the hell people will finally let this issue go. The fact it keeps bubbling up is offensive - like a bad odour. It's certainly not an issue that I would want my future granddaughters to protect and fight to keep. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Argus Posted September 20, 2014 Report Posted September 20, 2014 We're not Swedish would be my guess. My point is that you people are fighting desperately to keep us from having basically the same sort of commonsense rules as every other country in the West, from Sweden to Switzerland to Iceland to Germany to France. It's not like such laws are going to bring us back to the days of 'backrooms coathangers'. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
eyeball Posted September 20, 2014 Report Posted September 20, 2014 Nor will the situation we have today from NFLD to BC. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Peter F Posted September 20, 2014 Report Posted September 20, 2014 you people are fighting desperately to keep us from having basically the same sort of commonsense rules as every other country in the West, from Sweden to Switzerland to Iceland to Germany to France. Hah. We already have commonsense rules - right now. Quote A bayonet is a tool with a worker at both ends
Keepitsimple Posted September 20, 2014 Report Posted September 20, 2014 I don't know any women like that but I do know plenty who wonder when the hell people will finally let this issue go. The fact it keeps bubbling up is offensive - like a bad odour. And now this thread has come full circle. The issue had been put to bed until Trudeau dredged it up again. Canadians were restlessly content with the status quo. The government pledged not to re-open the issue. And then as you say - Trudeau offensively bubbled it up again like a bad odour. Quote Back to Basics
eyeball Posted September 20, 2014 Report Posted September 20, 2014 Yep, that's how I see it too. Predictably, you guys were quick to stick your noses in so as to get a really good whiff. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
On Guard for Thee Posted September 20, 2014 Report Posted September 20, 2014 So JT officially stating his case on a matter is "offensive"? Well I guess we will never have to worry about anything "offensive" with Harper in power. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted September 20, 2014 Report Posted September 20, 2014 I see Harper is finally going to go to New York, cap in hand, to visit the UN. I guess he finally realizes his position on the world stage has slipped to such an extent he needs some help from somewhere. Maybe Obama will give him a few tips, at least he can tell you how many troops he has and where. Quote
dre Posted September 20, 2014 Report Posted September 20, 2014 (edited) That's a bullshit argument. Half the people in this country would like to see some regulations and laws on abortion. Thats simply not true. Only about 33 percent of people favor government legislation on this issue. Of those, 10% want an almost complete ban. That leaves only 23% of Canadians that want legislation that imposes the restrictions you are referencing. 23%. Not 60%. . Yes... they want some restrictions, but they realize they are already in place as far as practicality goes, so theres very little support for a debate on this issue in Ottawa. Edited September 20, 2014 by dre Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
dre Posted September 20, 2014 Report Posted September 20, 2014 And now this thread has come full circle. The issue had been put to bed until Trudeau dredged it up again. Canadians were restlessly content with the status quo. The government pledged not to re-open the issue. And then as you say - Trudeau offensively bubbled it up again like a bad odour. Its only offensive to you because you already hate the guys guts anyways. Most people arent going to be offended by Trudeau trying to distance himself and his party for womb-control advocates. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
dre Posted September 20, 2014 Report Posted September 20, 2014 My point is that you people are fighting desperately to keep us from having basically the same sort of commonsense rules as every other country in the West, from Sweden to Switzerland to Iceland to Germany to France. It's not like such laws are going to bring us back to the days of 'backrooms coathangers'. But theres no need for such laws here. Those things are handled effectively at the medical ethics level. Theres no need for the federal government to wade into this issue and almost no public support for the government wasting their time by doing so. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
On Guard for Thee Posted September 20, 2014 Report Posted September 20, 2014 Agreed. The only laws that would have a hope in hell's chance of passing would just be parallel to what the medical profession has already adopted as standard practice. Why scare the hell out of everybody and waste more time/money re-opening something we settled long ago. I'm sure the SCC docket is already full enough. Quote
Argus Posted September 20, 2014 Report Posted September 20, 2014 Hah. We already have commonsense rules - right now. Then what's the big objection to putting them down on paper? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted September 20, 2014 Report Posted September 20, 2014 I see Harper is finally going to go to New York, cap in hand, to visit the UN. I guess he finally realizes his position on the world stage has slipped to such an extent he needs some help from somewhere. Maybe Obama will give him a few tips, at least he can tell you how many troops he has and where. Of all the reasons I don't approve of Harper, the only one related to his foreign affairs is that he stopped telling China to go to hell and started sucking up to them like all the others. He can go take a dump on the floor of the UN for all I care about them. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted September 20, 2014 Report Posted September 20, 2014 (edited) Thats simply not true. Only about 33 percent of people favor government legislation on this issue. Of those, 10% want an almost complete ban. That leaves only 23% of Canadians that want legislation that imposes the restrictions you are referencing. It depends on the questions asked, and you know it. The point is that it's hardly a shocking and extremist position to have where you would want to disqualify anyone having it from joining your party. Unless, of course, you're completely intolerant of contrary opinions and have delusions of godhood... Edited September 20, 2014 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Keepitsimple Posted September 20, 2014 Report Posted September 20, 2014 Its only offensive to you because you already hate the guys guts anyways. Most people arent going to be offended by Trudeau trying to distance himself and his party for womb-control advocates. You were the one that said it keeps bubbling up - so your frustration should be with Trudeau. I don't "hate Trudeau's guts". I've said it more than once that Canada needs the Liberal Party to be strong - with an effective and strong leader. I was disappointed that once again, they chose flash over substance as a quick way back to power. I just honestly have not yet seen any substance in Trudeau. Marc Garneau on the other hand, has very much impressed me with his balanced mix of reserved support and criticism of the Conservatives. Quote Back to Basics
Peter F Posted September 20, 2014 Report Posted September 20, 2014 It depends on the questions asked, and you know it. The point is that it's hardly a shocking and extremist position to have where you would want to disqualify anyone having it from joining your party. Unless, of course, you're completely intolerant of contrary opinions and have delusions of godhood... Thats not true. Anyone no matter thier opinions can join the liberal party just like anyone can join the Conservative party. No difference whatsoever. Quote A bayonet is a tool with a worker at both ends
Peter F Posted September 20, 2014 Report Posted September 20, 2014 Then what's the big objection to putting them down on paper? Putting what down on paper? The common sense rules? Thats the brilliance of it! There is nothing to write down. Quote A bayonet is a tool with a worker at both ends
Mighty AC Posted September 21, 2014 Report Posted September 21, 2014 That's a bullshit argument. Half the people in this country would like to see some regulations and laws on abortion. It's not extremist or offensive to hold that view, and equating it with racism or antisemitism is nonsense. At one point half the people in the country would have been in favour of white only drinking fountains or outlawing homosexuality. Late term abortions are very rare, so what are you hoping for? Removing choice or do you want laws to achieve pretty much what we have anyway? Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
cybercoma Posted September 21, 2014 Report Posted September 21, 2014 Late term abortions have to be done by a specialist anyway. Those specialists will only do it when it's medically necessary. To enact legislation on it addresses a problem that does not exist. It also paves the way for an even more difficult situation in New Brunswick. Thousands of people are without family doctors here, yet a woman needs to find a referral from two of them. She then needs to schedule an appointment with an OBGYN specialist to perform the abortion in one of two hospital in the entire province. The amount of time it takes to find out one's pregnant, then get those doctors referrals and have the procedure booked is ludicrous when it's a simply procedure that can be done in a clinic when the woman is less than 12 weeks pregnant. You start putting in ceilings and those delays are going to drag on to the point of no return.And you know what happens? People don't suddenly stop having abortions. They don't go away. They go underground. It's incredibly sad that the people who remember those times when women were left bleeding out in back alleys from coat hanger butchery want to return there. Canada's abortion laws are fine and there is no problem to be solved by changing legislation now. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted September 21, 2014 Report Posted September 21, 2014 "A choice to be made between a woman and her doctor". I'm not sure how one could add to that. Quote
cybercoma Posted September 21, 2014 Report Posted September 21, 2014 (edited) "A choice to be made between a woman and her doctor". I'm not sure how one could add to that. The person who said that added to it. Saying legislation should be commensurate with gestational duration. I disagree, as no one gets a late term abortion for the fun of it and no doctor in their right mind would perform one. Legislative hurdles just makes matters more difficult in the situations where one is needed. Edited September 21, 2014 by cybercoma Quote
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