waldo Posted September 9, 2014 Report Posted September 9, 2014 The Conservatives have never made any secret of their opposition to same sex marriage. And in any case, you seem to be forgetting in your frantic desperation to excuse the Liberals this entire side-trip into the realm of gay marriage came about only because of the point I made, which is that like the Tories, the Liberals governed by the polls, not by principles. Their sudden swing-round from opposing gay marriage to supporting gay marriage wasn't due to principles but polls. no - there was no 'frantic desperation'... refuting your continued nonsense is not 'frantic desperation'. in any case, I call BS on your polling influenced Chretien claim! 2003 related poll references that I find are, by and large, showing an almost equal split between or favouring traditional over same-sex marriage; eg. National Post/COMPAS: A Liberal-Conservative Public Remains Divided --- a majority of the public adheres to the definition of marriage as exclusively heterosexual. Asked whether they support or oppose keeping the pre-existing definition, 63% say that they favour doing so while 31% oppose doing so. - 2003-Aug-30: NFOCF Group poll: 46% of Canadian adults favor same sex marriage and 46% are opposed - 2003-Sep-8: SES-Research poll: 47% support same sex marriage and 44% are opposed - 2003-Sep: Centre for Research and Information on Canada poll: 48% support same sex marriage and 47% are opposed Quote
Argus Posted September 9, 2014 Report Posted September 9, 2014 good on ya for acknowledging that, yes... your posts display the personal bitterness you hold toward former Prime Minister Jean Chretien... a decade+ long bitterness that clearly festers and allows you a most convenient, "but the Libs, but the Libs", outlet to, effectively, cover-up and discharge the current governing accountability/responsibility of Harper Conservatives. Yes,unlike yourself I hold corrupt politicians in contempt. You, of course, don't care what they do as long as they're Liberals. And unlike myself, your bitterness and derision are liberally spewed against any poster who disagrees with you. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted September 9, 2014 Report Posted September 9, 2014 (edited) no - there was no 'frantic desperation'... refuting your continued nonsense is not 'frantic desperation'. Any time anyone criticizes the Liberals, past or present, we can count on Waldo to come screaming onto the scene, arms windmilling frantically as he heaps contempt, vitriol and derision on everyone around him. in any case, I call BS on your polling influenced Chretien claim![/b] 2003 related poll references that I find are, by and large, showing an almost equal split between or favouring traditional over same-sex marriage; Are you really so childishly naive as to believe general polling plays any part in political decisions? Segmented polling is what matters, polling those who might vote for you as opposed to having any interest in the opinions of those who won't ever vote for you regardless. It doesn't take a big giant brain to realize that a general poll would be heavily influenced one way or the other, by whether the respondent was conservative or liberally minded. I'm sure the conservative set were highly opposed to same-sex marriage, but they wouldn't vote Liberal no matter what, so wouldn't matter. More liberal minded people would have been much more receptive, much as we see on legalizing marihuana. Conservative polling is done in the same manner, of course. Edited September 9, 2014 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
waldo Posted September 9, 2014 Report Posted September 9, 2014 Yes,unlike yourself I hold corrupt politicians in contempt. You, of course, don't care what they do as long as they're Liberals. And unlike myself, your bitterness and derision are liberally spewed against any poster who disagrees with you. your bitter-pill fueled corruption claims notwithstanding, I project no bitterness toward anyone here... I simply don't, uhhh... what's that saying... uhhh, "suffer fools gladly". Ya, that one! Quote
waldo Posted September 9, 2014 Report Posted September 9, 2014 Any time anyone criticizes the Liberals, past or present, we can count on Waldo to come screaming into the room, arms windmilling frantically as he heaps contempt and derision on everyone around him. no - sorry! You're clearly the over-the-top guy here... again, check your more recent bitter-pill posts! Are you really so childishly naive as to believe general polling plays any part in political decisions? Segmented polling is what matters, polling those who might vote for you as opposed to having any interest in the opinions of those who won't ever vote for you regardless. It doesn't take a big giant brain to realize that a general poll would be heavily influenced one way or the other, by whether the respondent was conservative or liberally minded. I'm sure the conservative set were highly opposed to same-sex marriage, but they wouldn't vote Liberal no matter what, so wouldn't matter. More liberal minded people would have been much more receptive, much as we see on legalizing marihuana. Conservative polling is done in the same manner, of course. oh... so now you're going to qualify your repeated polling claims... after the waldo exposed your BS! Segmented polling now!!! I did not realize you were so tapped into the 2003 period Liberals... and their segmented polling!!! Keep it coming - this is a hoot! . Quote
Argus Posted September 9, 2014 Report Posted September 9, 2014 no - sorry! You're clearly the over-the-top guy here... again, check your more recent bitter-pill posts! You expect me to be nice to YOU? Honestly? Do you think your posting style lends itself to any sort of response but a mirror of your own crudely antagonistic and hostile style? oh... so now you're going to qualify your repeated polling claims... after the waldo exposed your BS! Segmented polling now!!! I did not realize you were so tapped into the 2003 period Liberals... and their segmented polling!!! Keep it coming - this is a hoot! . I guess I should apologize in giving you enough credit to think you might have even a modest clue about how political parties operate and how they poll. I apologize for overestimating your knowledge. I suppose I was taken in slightly by your constant self-aggrandizing swaggering. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
waldo Posted September 9, 2014 Report Posted September 9, 2014 You expect me to be nice to YOU? Honestly? Do you think your posting style lends itself to any sort of response but a mirror of your own crudely antagonistic and hostile style? huh! Talk about disjointed... why are you deflecting this back to me? The only thing I expect from you is more of your expressed... and self-acknowledged... bitterness. More of your continued decade+ long passed, "but the Libs, but the Libs", routine that you readily trot out to attempt to deflect away any semblance of holding Harper Conservatives accountable/responsible for their governing period. That's what I expect.. from you! . I guess I should apologize in giving you enough credit to think you might have even a modest clue about how political parties operate and how they poll. I apologize for overestimating your knowledge. I suppose I was taken in slightly by your constant self-aggrandizing swaggering. put up your referenced 2003 Liberal party "segmented" polling!!! . Quote
Keepitsimple Posted September 9, 2014 Report Posted September 9, 2014 You expect me to be nice to YOU? Honestly? Do you think your posting style lends itself to any sort of response but a mirror of your own crudely antagonistic and hostile style? I guess I should apologize in giving you enough credit to think you might have even a modest clue about how political parties operate and how they poll. I apologize for overestimating your knowledge. I suppose I was taken in slightly by your constant self-aggrandizing swaggering. I've more than once "scolded" him for his caustic lack of humility. I still have him on IGNORE but no longer because of his child-like, narcissistic rants - but because there's just too many darn posts and they are so blusteringly wordy. "The Waldo" - as His Puffery now prefers to be called - is well described in this article......which postulates "is it the behaviour, or the individual?". Unfortunately Humility is one of the most misunderstood virtues which is leading to the demise of many organizations. The lack of humility is much like a cancer slowly attacking vital organs and spreading. In most cases, if diagnosed in time, with proper treatment it can be corrected or at least contained. In some circumstances the infected area will need to be removed. In an organization if the lack of humility is diagnosed in time, it can be treated but in some situations the "tumors" will need to be removed.Humility can be defined as: "The state or quality of being humble; freedom from pride and arrogance; lowliness of mind; a modest estimate of one's own worth; a sense of one's own unworthiness through imperfection and sinfulness; self-abasement; humbleness." Simply put, in a business context, remember and accept that you do not have all the answers and that everyone brings something to the table are the basics to exercising humility in the workplace. Diagnosing the Problem In order to diagnose the problem, one must understand it. In most cases, it is the behavior that lacks humility not the individual. It is imperative to distinguish the difference between the behavior and the individual lacking humility. A behavior can be corrected where as an individual, like a tumor, must to be replaced. The best way to put this into perspective is to look at it in a way that any parent can relate. Children for the most part are good. There are times when they misbehave and need to be punished. Does the fact that they behaved badly mean they are bad kids, definitely not. This is the same with humility. Individuals can act in a manner that lacks humility but it does not equate to the individual lacking humility. Link: http://ezinearticles.com/?The-Lack-of-Humility-Is-Killing-Organizations&id=6800808 Quote Back to Basics
waldo Posted September 9, 2014 Report Posted September 9, 2014 I've more than once "scolded" him for his caustic lack of humility. I still have him on IGNORE but no longer because of his child-like, narcissistic rants - but because there's just too many darn posts and they are so blusteringly wordy. "The Waldo" - as His Puffery now prefers to be called - is well described in this article......which postulates "is it the behaviour, or the individual?". you've "scolded me"!!! Right, you mean with those 20+ posts where you showcased your internet medical degree labeling me a narcissist and multiple variations of? I'll gladly link to the summary post I made of all those posts of yours... would you care for your "scolding" to be highlighted again? as for your "on again, off again" claims you have me on ignore... it's a most selective ignore! You're simply ticked cause your fake-skeptic/denier act has been laid bare! Quote
PIK Posted September 9, 2014 Report Posted September 9, 2014 My understanding is 55% of the people want canada involved in getting rid of this scourge, where 69% still say chretien was right in staying out of the war with Iraq. Keep hanging with your Islamic friends Justin. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
waldo Posted September 9, 2014 Report Posted September 9, 2014 My understanding is 55% of the people want canada involved in getting rid of this scourge, where 69% still say chretien was right in staying out of the war with Iraq. Keep hanging with your Islamic friends Justin. what kind of percentage totaling are you running with here? "Justin's Islamic friends"??? Really? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted September 9, 2014 Report Posted September 9, 2014 I found it a bit rich today that Harper, after having dismissed a couple thousand scientists and has majorly cut back funding to science, is up mugging in front of the cameras lauding the finding of the Franklin expedition ship. I'm surprised Parks Canada actually had enough money in the kitty to put fuel in their boat. Quote
jbg Posted September 10, 2014 Report Posted September 10, 2014 In a perfect world Jean Chretien would occupy the same jail cell as Brian Mulroney. Mulroney's French is probably better than Chretien's. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
waldo Posted September 10, 2014 Report Posted September 10, 2014 Mulroney's French is probably better than Chretien's. do you intend your point to be insightful... informative... or what? Either way, what relevance does your comment hold to either the post you're replying to or at large? Quote
PIK Posted September 10, 2014 Report Posted September 10, 2014 I found it a bit rich today that Harper, after having dismissed a couple thousand scientists and has majorly cut back funding to science, is up mugging in front of the cameras lauding the finding of the Franklin expedition ship. I'm surprised Parks Canada actually had enough money in the kitty to put fuel in their boat. A very important part of our history that would not have been found if harper had not been very interested in it. It has become pathetic ,that people don't care about nothing but what they can get form the government. . This is not the country I was born in to ,it has become full of whiners and takers, everybody looking for freebie, and screw the rest. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
On Guard for Thee Posted September 10, 2014 Report Posted September 10, 2014 (edited) So Harper should only fund things HE is interested in? How about healthcare? Oh yeah, he has a buddy in the wings who wants to bring in private for profit healthcare and Harper's crew will maybe get a free ride for helping make it so. Edited September 10, 2014 by On Guard for Thee Quote
waldo Posted September 10, 2014 Report Posted September 10, 2014 A very important part of our history that would not have been found if harper had not been very interested in it. It has become pathetic ,that people don't care about nothing but what they can get form the government. . This is not the country I was born in to ,it has become full of whiners and takers, everybody looking for freebie, and screw the rest. no - 2 prior Prime Ministers before Harper also funded search efforts... as Simple stated in a concurrently running thread, "they (also) let it happen... they (also) let it unfold". Separate from whatever 'useful value/attachment' finding the actual ship provides, there are some useful ancilliary results related to all these past searches... ocean floor mapping, coastal shoreline climate change observation, wildlife migration study, etc. what we're seeing unfold is a carefully managed Harper image projection effort. Quote
cybercoma Posted September 10, 2014 Report Posted September 10, 2014 The only thing I expect from you is more of your expressed... and self-acknowledged... bitterness. More of your continued decade+ long passed, "but the Libs, but the Libs", routine that you readily trot out You might want to backpedal on that one. I think you're confusing Argus with someone else because he's not one of the "but the Libs" posters. He's critical of Chrétien because he deserves criticism. Argus is also critical of Mulroney and has been critical of Harper's handling of different things as well. There are others here who have a Pavlovian response to anything even remotely critical of Harper, where they bring up a government from nearly 20 years ago. In fact, those same people who are more prone to reactions than actual critical thought have brought up "but the Liberals!" in response to some of Argus's more recent posts. Quote
cybercoma Posted September 10, 2014 Report Posted September 10, 2014 A very important part of our history that would not have been found if harper had not been very interested in it. Are you f'ing kidding me? What kind of nationalist bullcrap is this? After nearly a decade of slashing funding to historians and the Social Sciences and Humanities in general, we're to herald Harper for his great discovery? What kind of sick cult of personality is this? Quote
waldo Posted September 10, 2014 Report Posted September 10, 2014 You might want to backpedal on that one. I calls em, as I sees em. But yes, he has offered degrees of Harper criticism that, to me, get lost in the fog of his perpetual drawing in of decade+ old references that end up masking that criticism. Quote
dre Posted September 10, 2014 Report Posted September 10, 2014 (edited) I'd honestly like to be able to think about voting for Trudeau but at this point, I can't even consider it. I'll wait until it's close to voting time but so far, the guy has continued to confirm all the negative talk - he's been a completely empty vessel. When he finally is allowed to regularly speak in unscripted forums, maybe he'll show a glimmer of competence......but right now I'll clearly vote for the Devil I know. With noting but reckless naïvetee, he'd be a danger to the country. Voting based on a leader alone is like picking a book by its cover. I abstained last time, but I might vote liberal this time... The main reason for that is despite the fact that the Conservatives have at least run a vaguely competant administration (trains didnt stop running), they attempted to pass some abhorant legislation. Trying to sneak through the Internet Surveillance Act and then accusing the majority of Canadians of supporting pedophiles when people of all political stripes said they didnt want it.... that was a big turn off for me. Their second attempt to pass basically the same thing didnt help matters... Neither did the backward thinking omnibus crime bill. Its not about who the leader is. The conservative government has done or attempted to do enough to make me want to give someone else a chance. I dont vote for a leader. IF I vote, I vote for a person that I think will do a good job representing my riding, and for a party that I think has the best chance of taking the country in a direction Im confortable with. Edited September 10, 2014 by dre Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
PIK Posted September 10, 2014 Report Posted September 10, 2014 (edited) Are you f'ing kidding me? What kind of nationalist bullcrap is this? After nearly a decade of slashing funding to historians and the Social Sciences and Humanities in general, we're to herald Harper for his great discovery? What kind of sick cult of personality is this? You are pathetic. This is a great discovery for the nation. Open your eyes and enjoy the discovery instead of being so miserable .All this so called slashing going on and they found it. lol Nice try with the BS. Edited September 10, 2014 by PIK Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
waldo Posted September 10, 2014 Report Posted September 10, 2014 This is a great discovery for the nation. Open your eyes and enjoy the discovery instead of being so miserable. I personally don't get the significance that finding a long sunk/abandoned British ship has... you do know they were not interested in Canada, right? You do know what the Northwest Passage route they sought meant and was for, right? PIK, as you interpret, how is this a, as you say, "great discovery for the nation"? Quote
PIK Posted September 10, 2014 Report Posted September 10, 2014 Never mind, if it needs to be explained then there is no use trying to. Makes me sad how people just don't care anymore about the countries history or the history of the north, it is all about themselves. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
waldo Posted September 10, 2014 Report Posted September 10, 2014 Never mind, if it needs to be explained then there is no use trying to. Makes me sad how people just don't care anymore about the countries history or the history of the north, it is all about themselves. it's not a difficult question. Not sure why you've taken exception to a simple request. Are you sure you actually have that explanation you're not even going to try to convey? Again, as a long ago sunk/abandoned British ship looking for a "Northwest Passage" route, what exactly is the, as you phrased it, "great discovery for the nation"?" Quote
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