Mighty AC Posted August 18, 2014 Report Posted August 18, 2014 What are some of the other names? What ridings were stolen. Who told them to cheat? Why are more examples of Pierre Poutine and Burner phones not public? This scandal broke 3 years ago. It's not just the robocalls, though even the judge mentioned that it was unlikely Sona acted alone. It's the repeated campaign overspending, the in and out scandal, the senate scandals, etc. every time Steve-O claims to have no knowledge of the situation. The public doesn't buy it after awhile, especially from such a closed, PMO ruled, top down government. Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
Boges Posted August 18, 2014 Report Posted August 18, 2014 It's not just the robocalls, though even the judge mentioned that it was unlikely Sona acted alone. It's the repeated campaign overspending, the in and out scandal, the senate scandals, etc. every time Steve-O claims to have no knowledge of the situation. The public doesn't buy it after awhile, especially from such a closed, PMO ruled, top down government. In and Out goes back to like 2006 doesn't it? The "Senate Scandal" also included Liberals. It came to the PM when his aide tried to make it go away. Nigel Wright currently isn't facing any charges though. Quote
waldo Posted August 18, 2014 Report Posted August 18, 2014 Is RoboCallgate considered a Harper scandal? If so. . . Conservative CIMS database! Quote
waldo Posted August 18, 2014 Report Posted August 18, 2014 The "Senate Scandal" also included Liberals. ya ya, that's right! Could you be any more hyper-partisan? . Quote
Mighty AC Posted August 18, 2014 Report Posted August 18, 2014 In and Out goes back to like 2006 doesn't it? The "Senate Scandal" also included Liberals. It came to the PM when his aide tried to make it go away. Nigel Wright currently isn't facing any charges though. It's about appearance. When a government that has already been found in contempt of parliament once is frequently getting caught breaking laws, it's leader comes off looking incompetent or corrupt. He pleads ignorance each time, but guilty or not the public doesn't buy it over time. In the end each scandal weighs on Harper's reputation, so he definitely does wear them. Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
waldo Posted August 18, 2014 Report Posted August 18, 2014 In and Out goes back to like 2006 doesn't it? whaaa! Is there suddenly a statute of limitations concerning Harper Conservative scandals? Quote
Boges Posted August 18, 2014 Report Posted August 18, 2014 It's about appearance. When a government that has already been found in contempt of parliament once is frequently getting caught breaking laws, it's leader comes off looking incompetent or corrupt. He pleads ignorance each time, but guilty or not the public doesn't buy it over time. In the end each scandal weighs on Harper's reputation, so he definitely does wear them. So no evidence then. Quote
Boges Posted August 18, 2014 Report Posted August 18, 2014 whaaa! Is there suddenly a statute of limitations concerning Harper Conservative scandals? It is when the party was given a majority 5 years later. Quote
Boges Posted August 18, 2014 Report Posted August 18, 2014 ya ya, that's right! Could you be any more hyper-partisan? . I suppose if Mike Duffy quit like Mac Harb did the media wouldn't have made such a bid deal about it. I notice no one is talking about Pamela Wallin much anymore. I even hear her occasionally on Toronto radio. Quote
waldo Posted August 18, 2014 Report Posted August 18, 2014 It is when the party was given a majority 5 years later. what a croc! By your twisted uber-partisanship I guess the next election where deLibs win a majority will wipe out forever any talk/suggestion concerning sponsorship, hey! here have another: Harper Conservative ties to the ETS Scandal Quote
Boges Posted August 18, 2014 Report Posted August 18, 2014 what a croc! By your twisted uber-partisanship I guess the next election where deLibs win a majority will wipe out forever any talk/suggestion concerning sponsorship, hey! here have another: Harper Conservative ties to the ETS Scandal When was the last time the CPC used the Sponsorship scandal against their opponent. Was it even uttered in the 2006 campaign? Certainly wasn't in the 2008 and 2011 campaigns. Quote
waldo Posted August 18, 2014 Report Posted August 18, 2014 When was the last time the CPC used the Sponsorship scandal against their opponent. Was it even uttered in the 2006 campaign? Certainly wasn't in the 2008 and 2011 campaigns. ya, ya... it only gets mentioned just about every other day around here! Talk to the PIKman, hey! Quote
Boges Posted August 18, 2014 Report Posted August 18, 2014 (edited) ya, ya... it only gets mentioned just about every other day around here! Talk to the PIKman, hey! And does it hold any weight with you? I certainly haven't brought it up. Edited August 18, 2014 by Boges Quote
waldo Posted August 18, 2014 Report Posted August 18, 2014 hey Boges... have another: Tainted Meat Scandal... that's on Harper Conservatives given what they did to CFIA and food safety inspections! Quote
waldo Posted August 18, 2014 Report Posted August 18, 2014 And does it hold any weight with you? I certainly haven't brought it up. what a lame-assed response! Right-wing media blowhards and several MLW uber-partisans continually throw out Sponsorship every/any time they can. Quote
waldo Posted August 18, 2014 Report Posted August 18, 2014 hey Boges... have another: F-35 scandal! Quote
Boges Posted August 18, 2014 Report Posted August 18, 2014 what a lame-assed response! Right-wing media blowhards and several MLW uber-partisans continually throw out Sponsorship every/any time they can. In 2006 maybe. The question stands, do you still think it taints the Liberal party? If not then why should In and Out? Quote
Boges Posted August 18, 2014 Report Posted August 18, 2014 (edited) hey Boges... have another: F-35 scandal! I don't even want to touch that one, I don't think I've even posted in that thread. I will say this, the fleet of FA-18 needs to be replaced. The F-35 is the only new jet being developed. Is Harper to blame that the development of that jet has been a huge nightmare? Edited August 18, 2014 by Boges Quote
waldo Posted August 18, 2014 Report Posted August 18, 2014 In 2006 maybe. The question stands, do you still think it taints the Liberal party? If not then why should In and Out? when someone starts tallying scandals... and you choose to give In and Out a Harper Conservative pass... is there any point in... tallying scandals? The stink of Robocalls wafts strongly... and you simply chose to laugh it off! Of course - that's what uber-partisan (hacks) do. Quote
waldo Posted August 18, 2014 Report Posted August 18, 2014 I don't even want to touch that one, I don't think I've even posted in that thread. I will say this, the fleet of FA-18 needs to be replaced. The F-35 is the only new jet being developed. Is Harper to blame that the development of that jet has been a huge nightmare? ya, best you stay out of it - you clearly haven't a clue in regards the subject. Quote
Boges Posted August 18, 2014 Report Posted August 18, 2014 (edited) when someone starts tallying scandals... and you choose to give In and Out a Harper Conservative pass... is there any point in... tallying scandals? The stink of Robocalls wafts strongly... and you simply chose to laugh it off! Of course - that's what uber-partisan (hacks) do. And you're not being "uber-partisan" by thinking these SCANDALS!!!! have might have any weight in the coming election. As opposed to idiotic things JT has said and done? Which supporters continue to give him a pass on. Only a political wonk would give a crap about RoboCall in the absence of concrete evidence that there was a CPC directive to partake in that kind of behaviour. I think the recent 2011 election has proven that scandals don't mean much if the alternative isn't all that appealing to the masses. When the campaign start Harper will be able to trot out a balanced budget and potentially a tax cut. But IN AND OUT!!!! Edited August 18, 2014 by Boges Quote
waldo Posted August 18, 2014 Report Posted August 18, 2014 Only a political wonk would give a crap about RoboCall in the absence of concrete evidence that there was a CPC directive to partake in that kind of behaviour. again, CIMS database baby, CIMS database! Quote
Boges Posted August 18, 2014 Report Posted August 18, 2014 again, CIMS database baby, CIMS database! Is that supposed to be evidence? Wasn't that database used to track supporters? So anyone not on the database should be robocalled to go to alternative polling locations? Quote
waldo Posted August 18, 2014 Report Posted August 18, 2014 And you're not being "uber-partisan" by thinking these SCANDALS!!!! have might have any weight in the coming election. As opposed to idiotic things JT has said and done? Which supporters continue to give him a pass on. the amounts were in excess of $1 million... 4 Harper Conservatives were charged... a plea deal got charges dropped in exchange for the CPC pleading quilty and paying back (only a relative paltry) $230K. But no biggee as far as you're concerned, hey! Quote
waldo Posted August 18, 2014 Report Posted August 18, 2014 Is that supposed to be evidence? Wasn't that database used to track supporters? So anyone not on the database should be robocalled to go to alternative polling locations? bingo! Who determined who was on the CIMS database and who wasn't? Quote
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