Shady Posted August 8, 2014 Report Posted August 8, 2014 I stumbled across this today while doing some reading. It's a somewhat lighter-sided look at some of the excuses made to explain a very serious topic, the hiatus of warming over the last decade and a half. 1) Low solar activity 2) Oceans ate the global warming 3) Chinese coal use4) Montreal Protocol5) What ‘pause’? 6) Volcanic aerosols 7) Stratospheric Water Vapor8) Faster Pacific trade winds9) Stadium Waves10) ‘Coincidence!’11) Pine aerosols12) It’s “not so unusual” and “no more than natural variability” 13) “Scientists looking at the wrong ‘lousy’ data”14) Cold nights getting colder in Northern Hemisphere15) We forgot to cherry-pick models in tune with natural variability 16) Negative phase of Interdecadal Pacific Oscillation17) AMOC ocean oscillation 18) “Global brightening” has stopped 19) “Ahistorical media” 20) “It’s the hottest decade ever” Decadal averages used to hide the ‘pause’ 21) Few El Ninos since 1999 22) Temperature variations fall “roughly in the middle of the AR4 model results” 23) “Not scientifically relevant” 24) The wrong type of El Ninos 25) Slower trade winds 26) The climate is less sensitive to CO2 than previously thought 27) PDO and AMO natural cycles and here 28) ENSO 29) Solar cycle driven ocean temperature variations 30) Warming Atlantic caused cooling Pacific http://www.climatedepot.com/2014/07/28/updated-list-of-29-excuses-for-the-18-year-pause-in-global-warming-if-you-cant-explain-the-pause-you-cant-explain-the-cause/ Remember. if you can't explain the pause, then you can't explain the cause. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted August 8, 2014 Report Posted August 8, 2014 (edited) What makes you think there's been a pause? Edited August 8, 2014 by Charles Anthony deleted re-copied Opening Post Quote
Shady Posted August 8, 2014 Author Report Posted August 8, 2014 (edited) My first post was a more humourous look at things. This is a more serious discussion of said warming pause.by NASA climate scientist Norman Loeb. NASA Climate Scientist Explains 15-Year ‘Global Warming Hiatus’ Norman Loeb delivered a lecture entitled, “The Recent Pause in Global Warming: A Temporary Blip or Something More Permanent?” at the NASA Langley Research Center auditorium on Tuesday. The talk addressed challenges to scientists and increased skepticism among climate change skeptics due to the recent “hiatus” of global warming. http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/08/06/nasa-climate-scientist-explains-15-year-global-warming-hiatus/ Edited August 8, 2014 by Shady Quote
Mighty AC Posted August 8, 2014 Report Posted August 8, 2014 (edited) My first post was a more humourous look at things. This is a more serious discussion of said warming pause.by NASA climate scientist Norman Loeb. NASA Climate Scientist Explains 15-Year ‘Global Warming Hiatus’ Norman Loeb delivered a lecture entitled, “The Recent Pause in Global Warming: A Temporary Blip or Something More Permanent?” at the NASA Langley Research Center auditorium on Tuesday. The talk addressed challenges to scientists and increased skepticism among climate change skeptics due to the recent “hiatus” of global warming. http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/08/06/nasa-climate-scientist-explains-15-year-global-warming-hiatus/ You may want to read this: Conservative media is now just making things up about climate scientists The Washington Times is claiming a NASA scientist cast doubt on global warming. Too bad that never happened On the scale of climate-denying media crimes, the Washington Times has hit a new low. There’s deliberately misrepresenting the science. Then there’s misrepresenting the press release, which is what the conservative news outlet appears to have done. Edited August 8, 2014 by Mighty AC Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
On Guard for Thee Posted August 8, 2014 Report Posted August 8, 2014 You may want to read this: Conservative media is now just making things up about climate scientists You would think if they were going to "cherry pick" and misquote they would have tried not to be so blatantly obvious about it. Or is it just ineptness? Quote
Shady Posted August 8, 2014 Author Report Posted August 8, 2014 You may want to read this: Conservative media is now just making things up about climate scientists I didn't link to a conservative media source. Quote
TimG Posted August 8, 2014 Report Posted August 8, 2014 You may want to read this:Why? It is is nothing but alarmist drivel which completely misrepresents the data that we have today. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted August 8, 2014 Report Posted August 8, 2014 Everything is "alarmist drivel" if it disagrees with the head in the sand naysayers. http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/ Quote
TimG Posted August 8, 2014 Report Posted August 8, 2014 Everything is "alarmist drivel" if it disagrees with the head in the sand naysayers. http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/01/21/noaa-sotc-claim-that-2012-was-warmest-la-nina-year-is-wrong/ NOAA’s Definition and Data Contradict Their Claim That 2012 Was The Warmest La Niña Year The report has since been corrected but it is an excellent example of how various government agencies misrepresent the data into order to create fear and draw funding. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted August 8, 2014 Report Posted August 8, 2014 http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/01/21/noaa-sotc-claim-that-2012-was-warmest-la-nina-year-is-wrong/ NOAA’s Definition and Data Contradict Their Claim That 2012 Was The Warmest La Niña Year The report has since been corrected but it is an excellent example of how various government agencies misrepresent the data into order to create fear and draw funding. NOAA has been around forever. They don't have to bullshit to get funding. Quote
TimG Posted August 8, 2014 Report Posted August 8, 2014 NOAA has been around forever. They don't have to bullshit to get funding.Bureaucrats always want more funding. The NOAA budget has more than doubled over the the last 15 years - must faster than the rate of inflation or the growth in the economy. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted August 8, 2014 Report Posted August 8, 2014 Bureaucrats always want more funding. The NOAA budget has more than doubled over the the last 15 years - must faster than the rate of inflation or the growth in the economy. So why then would you attempt to dismiss their findings? Qualified scientists with lot's of money and no reason to hoodwink us. Might be a good idea to pay attention don't you think? Quote
waldo Posted August 8, 2014 Report Posted August 8, 2014 you already tried the same pause/plateau shyte in another thread...... see this failed MLW ShadyThread from about a year ago - here: Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted August 8, 2014 Report Posted August 8, 2014 you already tried the same pause/plateau shyte in another thread...... see this failed MLW ShadyThread from about a year ago - here: that's priceless! Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
TimG Posted August 8, 2014 Report Posted August 8, 2014 So why then would you attempt to dismiss their findings? Qualified scientists with lot's of money and no reason to hoodwink us. Might be a good idea to pay attention don't you think?Puhleeze.. where is your evidence that the opinion of scientists was accurately reflected in a politically motivated report? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted August 8, 2014 Report Posted August 8, 2014 Puhleeze.. where is your evidence that the opinion of scientists was accurately reflected in a politically motivated report? Where is your evidence it wasn't? Quote
TimG Posted August 8, 2014 Report Posted August 8, 2014 Where is your evidence it wasn't?The data has been misrepresented and "spun" to support an alarmist narrative. It is unlikely that any scientist worthy of the name would have supported it but there are plenty of people pretending to be scientists that may have. I don't know which. If I assume that the report was driven by bureaucrats then I am giving NOAA scientists the benefit of the doubt. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted August 8, 2014 Report Posted August 8, 2014 The data has been misrepresented and "spun" to support an alarmist narrative. It is unlikely that any scientist worthy of the name would have supported it but there are plenty of people pretending to be scientists that may have. I don't know which. If I assume that the report was driven by bureaucrats then I am giving NOAA scientists the benefit of the doubt. I guess you are assuming all those people who ork for various governments who make up the IPCC have no real credentials as well? Quote
TimG Posted August 8, 2014 Report Posted August 8, 2014 I guess you are assuming all those people who ork for various governments who make up the IPCC have no real credentials as well?It is not a question of credentials - it is a question of integrity. Plenty of people with credentials have no integrity. When I see government reports spin the data to support an alarmists narrative that tells me the authors don't have any integrity. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted August 8, 2014 Report Posted August 8, 2014 Your argument holds no water. Why would people with credentials "spin" data that they know full well will be peer reviewed, which would if found to be faulty, erode the very credentials that got them the job in the first place? Maybe you like those margin of tin hat guys better. Quote
TimG Posted August 8, 2014 Report Posted August 8, 2014 (edited) Your argument holds no water. Why would people with credentials "spin" data that they know full well will be peer reviewed, which would if found to be faulty, erode the very credentials that got them the job in the first place? Maybe you like those margin of tin hat guys better.ROTFL - the audience for these reports are not scientists - they are for their politicians and activists who want them as propaganda. On top of that the world is filled with people who feel validated by pseudo scientific reports that tell what they want to believe which gives the authors a large audience of zombies who tell them how wonderful their work is. Edited August 8, 2014 by TimG Quote
Shady Posted August 8, 2014 Author Report Posted August 8, 2014 ...... see this failed MLW ShadyThread from about a year ago - here: NASA scientists have confirmed the pause. You're a denier. Quote
eyeball Posted August 8, 2014 Report Posted August 8, 2014 The report has since been corrected but it is an excellent example of how various government agencies misrepresent the data into order to create fear and draw funding. Kinda like the Dept of Homeland Security? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
waldo Posted August 8, 2014 Report Posted August 8, 2014 NASA scientists have confirmed the pause. You're a denier. and what would you like to be labeled for your purposeful choice to perpetuate a falsehood... just a few posts back, MLW member 'Mighty AC' took the time to actually respond to your continued nonsense... to provide a refutation to your original linked reference - here: but what's the deelio here? Why did you start another thread? Like I said/showed, you already tried (and failed) with this in an earlier thread of yours. Why not just resurrect that failed thread instead of creating another one? Quote
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