jbg Posted September 26, 2014 Report Posted September 26, 2014 They probably started the first time a dinosaur farted It's the ignoring of the rapid pace of frequency and severity pf same that makes the deniers ignorant.Probably a bigger cause is creating dense populations where they shouldn't be. Exhibit "A" is the Los Angeles area, earthquake prone and water starved. Exhibit "B" is collectively the southern tip of Florida and the U.S. Gulf Coast; low-lying and extremely hurricane prone. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
waldo Posted September 26, 2014 Author Report Posted September 26, 2014 How does "eyeballing" differ from "reading"? well... there's clearly no difference (to you) when you're reading, as you described, a work of fiction... and presuming to use a fictional reference to a "warming anomoly" to validate regional trends you interpret mean something in a global context. And more to the point what is the reason to exclude direct experiences that people have with weather, which in most cases shows very little change over time? when the reference point was actual data... and you presume to draw comparison between actual data and "direct anecdotal descriptions"... could you be any more obtuse? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted September 26, 2014 Report Posted September 26, 2014 Those people have been living in those places for a lot of years. I don't think GW causes EQ's but who knows. It certainly does cause hurricanes and one problem Fla has is those 'canes have a more severe effect as the sea level rises due to ice melt and heat expansion. They are by and large lucky enough to have the money to be able to relocate. Not so with many otheres. i.e Marshall Islands, Maldives, etc. Quote
jbg Posted September 26, 2014 Report Posted September 26, 2014 Those people have been living in those places for a lot of years. I don't think GW causes EQ's but who knows. It certainly does cause hurricanes and one problem Fla has is those 'canes have a more severe effect as the sea level rises due to ice melt and heat expansion. They are by and large lucky enough to have the money to be able to relocate. Not so with many otheres. i.e Marshall Islands, Maldives, etc.My pont about where people live is that those areas have always been highly disaster-prone. I have a real problem, as a taxpayer, subsidizing infrastructure in an area that no one in their right mind would build up on their own dime, and then paying to rebuild again. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
On Guard for Thee Posted September 27, 2014 Report Posted September 27, 2014 You mean places like New York City? Quote
jbg Posted September 27, 2014 Report Posted September 27, 2014 You mean places like New York City?New York City has had very few natural disasters. Really the only ones which were devastating, beyond being a major annoyance, was the unnamed 1821 hurricane, Hurricane Irene, which was very similar to the 1821 hurricane, and of course Sandy. Other disasters, such as the Blizzard of 1888 and the major snowstorm of December 26-27, 1947 were major annoyances. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
On Guard for Thee Posted September 27, 2014 Report Posted September 27, 2014 Apparently you don't have access to recent historical weather records. Like from last year. BTW, the city of NY has hired a Dutch hydrology engineeer to help them plan on how to deal with ever rising SL. Who but a Dutchman would know how to channel water that is invading your city? Quote
jbg Posted September 27, 2014 Report Posted September 27, 2014 Apparently you don't have access to recent historical weather records. Like from last year. BTW, the city of NY has hired a Dutch hydrology engineeer to help them plan on how to deal with ever rising SL. Who but a Dutchman would know how to channel water that is invading your city?I can't fathom the idiocy of some of our spending decisions. However I do favor the proposal to develop an ability to protect the subway system and other underground infrastructure from water. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
eyeball Posted September 27, 2014 Report Posted September 27, 2014 I can't fathom the idiocy of some of our spending decisions. However I do favor the proposal to develop an ability to protect the subway system and other underground infrastructure from water. What water? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
On Guard for Thee Posted September 27, 2014 Report Posted September 27, 2014 It is a good idea to keep water out of the NY subways etc. Quote
eyeball Posted September 27, 2014 Report Posted September 27, 2014 Yeah, and even better to stop doing things that defeat that. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
jbg Posted September 27, 2014 Report Posted September 27, 2014 It is a good idea to keep water out of the NY subways etc. Yeah, and even better to stop doing things that defeat that.Do you really think that even shutting down all industrial activity and driving in the U.S. would stop global warming? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
On Guard for Thee Posted September 28, 2014 Report Posted September 28, 2014 acknowledging the science and making efforts to move towards renewables would be a step in the right direction, don't you think? Quote
jbg Posted September 28, 2014 Report Posted September 28, 2014 acknowledging the science and making efforts to move towards renewables would be a step in the right direction, don't you think?The panickers are asking a bit more than that. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
On Guard for Thee Posted September 28, 2014 Report Posted September 28, 2014 The deniers are asking us to be ignorant. That's a bit more than I want to do. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 28, 2014 Report Posted September 28, 2014 The panickers are asking a bit more than that. Indeed....those who wish to be more "green" are free to do so without forcing their religion on others. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted September 28, 2014 Report Posted September 28, 2014 Actually it's the folks who suck up to religion who tend to deny science. They like to put their faith in something that allows them to continue destroying the planet. Probably because it's profitable. Quote
eyeball Posted September 28, 2014 Report Posted September 28, 2014 Do you really think that even shutting down all industrial activity and driving in the U.S. would stop global warming? No, I suspect that would be a rather stupid thing to do. Where on Earth do these bizarre notions that doing anything about climate change means shutting down all industrial activity and driving come from? I mean, talk about alarmists...people really need to get a grip. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 28, 2014 Report Posted September 28, 2014 Sorry alarmists and warmies...I live in a "democracy" and you ain't got the votes to make everybody worship the climate change gods...not even in Canada. Still want that Keystone XL pipeline ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted September 28, 2014 Report Posted September 28, 2014 I don't think there are any such things as "climate change gods" Why do Americans always have to put things into a religious context, has everybody gone tea party stupid down there? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 28, 2014 Report Posted September 28, 2014 Same reason you do: http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/23366-us-government-induced-drought/page-3#entry946517 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
jbg Posted September 28, 2014 Report Posted September 28, 2014 No, I suspect that would be a rather stupid thing to do. Where on Earth do these bizarre notions that doing anything about climate change means shutting down all industrial activity and driving come from? I mean, talk about alarmists...people really need to get a grip.How else do we make a serious dent in so-called "greenhouse gases"? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
On Guard for Thee Posted September 28, 2014 Report Posted September 28, 2014 Let's think about it a bit. Building cars is industrial activity. That provides the opportunity to drive. Building cars that don't burn fossil fuels is also industrial activity. Quote
jbg Posted September 28, 2014 Report Posted September 28, 2014 Let's think about it a bit. Building cars is industrial activity. That provides the opportunity to drive. Building cars that don't burn fossil fuels is also industrial activity.Creating electricity for cars that don't use fossil fuels uses more such fuels or otherwise causes more environmental degradation than just using the fuels. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 28, 2014 Report Posted September 28, 2014 This is what zero emissions car production gets...errr...got you in Canada: Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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