Topaz Posted July 19, 2014 Report Posted July 19, 2014 So...I wonder...who is/has killed more Americans....terrorists or Americans???? Quote
eyeball Posted July 19, 2014 Report Posted July 19, 2014 What's the difference? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
On Guard for Thee Posted July 19, 2014 Report Posted July 19, 2014 So...I wonder...who is/has killed more Americans....terrorists or Americans???? American's. Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted July 19, 2014 Report Posted July 19, 2014 Why would it matter? Well, I think it matters when it comes to the Giffords, the kindergarten children that were slaughtered or any other victims of domestic gun violence. Their families are fighting vigorously to bring changes to the gun control laws in the U.S. There is a big difference between terrorists and domestic killers with guns. The end result is the same of course. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Guest Posted July 19, 2014 Report Posted July 19, 2014 (edited) Well, I think it matters when it comes to the Giffords, the kindergarten children that were slaughtered or any other victims of domestic gun violence. Their families are fighting vigorously to bring changes to the gun control laws in the U.S. There is a big difference between terrorists and domestic killers with guns. The end result is the same of course. But why does it matter who killed more? One month of the Civil war would be enough to say that more Americans were killed by Americans than by terrorists. I'm saying, so what? Edited July 19, 2014 by bcsapper Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted July 19, 2014 Report Posted July 19, 2014 Terrorists have easy access to guns. Domestic killers, at least in many states, have easy access to guns. In both cases people end up dead. Not hard to see the two commonalities existing here. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted July 19, 2014 Report Posted July 19, 2014 Well, I think it matters when it comes to the Giffords, the kindergarten children that were slaughtered or any other victims of domestic gun violence. Their families are fighting vigorously to bring changes to the gun control laws in the U.S. There is a big difference between terrorists and domestic killers with guns. The end result is the same of course. Would you think addressing those that kill their fellow (wo)man a more viable approach then another go around at ineffective gun control measures that there is no political appetite for? Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted July 19, 2014 Report Posted July 19, 2014 Would you think addressing those that kill their fellow (wo)man a more viable approach then another go around at ineffective gun control measures that there is no political appetite for? Well, if you were to ask the families of the victims of gun massacres, they don't believe it's time to throw in the towel and give up because there is 'no political appetite'. Never say never. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Derek 2.0 Posted July 19, 2014 Report Posted July 19, 2014 Well, if you were to ask the families of the victims of gun massacres, they don't believe it's time to throw in the towel and give up because there is 'no political appetite'. Never say never. I don’t, but I’m also realistic……there is both more money and people with skin in the game in the gun rights camp, then there is in the victims camp………If Obama, that had a Democratic senate and congress (and for now a Senate) was unable to make serious changes, what makes you think another attempt will be successful? Wouldn’t those wasted resources be better directed to mental health and diminishing gang violence? Overall, such an initiative would likely have both bipartisan and public support…..and of course, would actually address violence. Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted July 19, 2014 Report Posted July 19, 2014 I don’t, but I’m also realistic……there is both more money and people with skin in the game in the gun rights camp, then there is in the victims camp………If Obama, that had a Democratic senate and congress (and for now a Senate) was unable to make serious changes, what makes you think another attempt will be successful? Wouldn’t those wasted resources be better directed to mental health and diminishing gang violence? Overall, such an initiative would likely have both bipartisan and public support…..and of course, would actually address violence. I am quite sure the families of these victims of domestic gun violence are lobbying for better mental health issues as well as better gun control laws. Not sure why you would have an issue with that. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Derek 2.0 Posted July 19, 2014 Report Posted July 19, 2014 I am quite sure the families of these victims of domestic gun violence are lobbying for better mental health issues as well as better gun control laws. Not sure why you would have an issue with that. First, I like guns........But in all seriousness, aside from the Constitution, both the actual number of guns already in circulation and technology would make such attempts futile..........As such, best to address the actual problem, if you want actual results. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted July 19, 2014 Report Posted July 19, 2014 First, I like guns........But in all seriousness, aside from the Constitution, both the actual number of guns already in circulation and technology would make such attempts futile..........As such, best to address the actual problem, if you want actual results. And waht exactly is that problem in your little gun totin' world? You seem to want to route out the crazies but you don't mind them having access to guns at the same time. Brilliant! Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted July 19, 2014 Report Posted July 19, 2014 You seem to want to route out the crazies but you don't mind them having access to guns at the same time. Brilliant! Where did I suggest that? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted July 19, 2014 Report Posted July 19, 2014 "Wouldn’t those wasted resources be better directed to mental health and diminishing gang violence?" Nothing wrong with dealing with mental health issues, but better to not have those people in possession of firearms during that process, don't you think? Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted July 19, 2014 Report Posted July 19, 2014 "Wouldn’t those wasted resources be better directed to mental health and diminishing gang violence?" Nothing wrong with dealing with mental health issues, but better to not have those people in possession of firearms during that process, don't you think? Where did I say "those people" should have firearms? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted July 19, 2014 Report Posted July 19, 2014 The 2nd amendment basically says everybody should have firearms, at least according to the NRA. Maybe there should be some restrictions, such as we have in Canada, where we don't shoot each other anywhere near so much. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted July 19, 2014 Report Posted July 19, 2014 (edited) The 2nd amendment basically says everybody should have firearms, at least according to the NRA. Maybe there should be some restrictions, such as we have in Canada, where we don't shoot each other anywhere near so much. The NRA is opposed to criminals and the severely mentally ill obtaining firearms…….hence why they call for more funding to mental health treatment and for Government to enforce laws already on the books to their fullest extent. Edited July 19, 2014 by Derek 2.0 Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted July 19, 2014 Report Posted July 19, 2014 The NRA is opposed to criminals and the severely mentally ill obtaining firearms…….hence why they call for more funding to mental health treatment and for Government to enforce already on the books to their fullest extent. Well if they're opposed to it why do they constantly dribble on against such restrictions while they hold their hand to their heart whilst another school massacre takes place. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted July 19, 2014 Report Posted July 19, 2014 Well if they're opposed to it why do they constantly dribble on against such restrictions while they hold their hand to their heart whilst another school massacre takes place. They oppose “restrictions” that wouldn’t have a positive effect on violence, well only burdening and in some case infringing upon personal rights of the vast majority of law abiding citizens. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted July 19, 2014 Report Posted July 19, 2014 They oppose “restrictions” that wouldn’t have a positive effect on violence, well only burdening and in some case infringing upon personal rights of the vast majority of law abiding citizens. "Wouldn't have an effct" there's a hefty assumption. Get that fro Lapierre? Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted July 19, 2014 Report Posted July 19, 2014 "Wouldn't have an effct" there's a hefty assumption. Get that fro Lapierre? It’s simple logic…….placing direct technical restrictions on firearms in nation with the number of firearms measured in the 100s of millions is utter folly. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted July 19, 2014 Report Posted July 19, 2014 It’s simple logic…….placing direct technical restrictions on firearms in nation with the number of firearms measured in the 100s of millions is utter folly. Simple logic would indicate that you restrict firearm ownership for instance from people with diagnosed mental illness, prior criminal activity, Remember what the 2 nd amendment starts out by saying? "a well regulated malitia" That's absolutely nothing of the description the gun nutz have and support in the US now. But I really don't give a shit, shoot all the kids in all the high schools if you like that kinds stuff. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted July 19, 2014 Report Posted July 19, 2014 Simple logic would indicate that you restrict firearm ownership for instance from people with diagnosed mental illness, prior criminal activity, The NRA agrees, but privacy laws prevent that. Remember what the 2 nd amendment starts out by saying? "a well regulated malitia" That's absolutely nothing of the description the gun nutz have and support in the US now. But I really don't give a shit, shoot all the kids in all the high schools if you like that kinds stuff. Would you prefer if more American gun owners joined and formed Militias? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted July 19, 2014 Report Posted July 19, 2014 As I said, I don't really care. But if I was an American I would want gun ownership to be regulated so that whacko's can't just walk down the street and buy one. In case they're drunk and pissed off at the wife and such things. I've seen two people shot (outside of war zones) in the US and both where just that. Quote
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