Khadr Wins Transfer

Je suis Omar · May 21, 2015

Just beer money, but it does add up.

That's still fraudulent.

On Guard for Thee · May 21, 2015

That's still fraudulent.

Not according to my customers. BTW, have you looked up delusional yet...

drummindiver · May 21, 2015

From my reading, his father was running some charities aimed at helping people in that area. We know from the historical record that the USA wasn't doing that.

Now you're turning a murderous al Qaeda operative into a hero?

http://www.cbc.ca/news2/interactives/khadr/slides.html

We know from historical records that in fact the US gives a boat load of money not just to help Afghanistan, but many other less fortunate countries.

Of course, this doesn't fit your narrative, or whatever "historical records" you are reading.

http://time.com/43836/afghanistan-is-the-big-winner-in-u-s-foreign-aid/

Argus · May 21, 2015

A hostile foreign army? To whom? Kadhr? As has been documented on this site ad nauseam (and by that, I mean it is sickening because it's true) Kadhr is a CANADIAN. The forces to whom he attacked were, to him, NOT a HOSTILE FOREIGN ARMY (ok, to terrorist Islam extremists they were..but he isn't one of those, right?) This fact is what actually makes him a TERRORIST. Please, stop saying he was "defending his home" from "hostile foreign army".

It's funny how they can keep calling Afghanistan his home but if you suggest he wasn't a Canadian you're evil.

On Guard for Thee · May 21, 2015

It's funny how they can keep calling Afghanistan his home but if you suggest he wasn't a Canadian you're evil.

Who said it was his home...he was taken there by his father as a teenager and a war happened to break out. He was born in Canada so he is a Canadian, and has now been allowed to return home.

Je suis Omar · May 21, 2015

Now you're turning a murderous al Qaeda operative into a hero?

http://www.cbc.ca/news2/interactives/khadr/slides.html

We know from historical records that in fact the US gives a boat load of money not just to help Afghanistan, but many other less fortunate countries.

Of course, this doesn't fit your narrative, or whatever "historical records" you are reading.

http://time.com/43836/afghanistan-is-the-big-winner-in-u-s-foreign-aid/

Your source CBC:

Ahmed Said Khadr was born in Egypt and moved to Canada in 1977.

He married Maha Elsamnah, a Palestinian-Canadian. Together, the couple had six children.

In 1980, Khadr travelled to Afghanistan and volunteered to fight against the invading Soviet Union forces. He is alleged to have met Osama bin Laden during this time period and reportedly became a founding member of al-Qaeda.

Khadr was arrested in 1996 on suspicion of funding the bombing of the Egyptian Embassy in Islamabad. He sought help from Prime Minister Jean Chrétien, who raised the issue with the Pakistani government. He was later released.

Following the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, Khadr was put on a list of suspected terrorists.

In 2003, he was killed in a shootout near the Afghanistan border.

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Omar:

Now that's proof that would stand up in any USA kangaroo court, drummindiver. Let's go take a peek at your other "source".

TIME Magazine (a propaganda arm of the USA government)

"In the words of Heather Barr of the Human Rights Watch, the country is a perfect case study of how not to give aid."

So there you have it. drummindiver's sources.

Jimmy Carter says the USA is the stingiest country in the world.

Edited May 21, 2015 by Je suis Omar

bush_cheney2004 · May 21, 2015

Your source CBC:

The CBC is funded and controlled by the Canadian government. It is a nation state broadcaster, even for Khadr's case.

Je suis Omar · May 21, 2015

Now you're turning a murderous al Qaeda operative into a hero?

If that's what I was doing, you might have a point.

But in that situation would it be any worse than all the folks who have turned murderous USians, George Bush, Dick Cheney, Colin Powell, Condi, Kris Kyle, Tommy Frank and the millions of other war criminals and terrorists into heroes?

Mr Khadr didn't invade a sovereign nation. In fact, there's nothing to suggest he's done anything wrong. Certainly nothing in your "sources". Don't you think it's rather telling about you that you offered those as reliable source information to support your fantasies?

Edited May 22, 2015 by Je suis Omar

Je suis Omar · May 21, 2015

The CBC is funded and controlled by the Canadian government. It is a nation state broadcaster, even for Khadr's case.

Jimmy Carter says the USA is the stingiest country in the world.

drummindiver · May 21, 2015

Je suis Omar, I don't know what to say.

Yes, I used CBC, and Time, on purpose, as many ppl trust in their reporting veracity and honesty.

Unlike, of course, the leftist guerrilla blogs you get most of your information from.

Mr.Kadhr was a terrorist who helped sponsor terror. He died in a firefight while doing just that. He indoctrinated his whole family, and yes, I blame Omar for throwing the grenade, but Mr Kadhr, as you refer to him, is even more responsible.

I guess $42 billion is peanuts to Carter.

Keep defending terrorists Omar.

bush_cheney2004 · May 21, 2015

Jimmy Carter says the USA is the stingiest country in the world.

So what....Jimmy Carter says a lot of things. The USA doesn't owe the world a damn thing...but it has given much...much more than many other nations.

Edited May 21, 2015 by bush_cheney2004

Je suis Omar · May 21, 2015

Je suis Omar, I don't know what to say.

Yes, I used CBC, and Time, on purpose, as many ppl trust in their reporting veracity and honesty.

Unlike, of course, the leftist guerrilla blogs you get most of your information from.

Mr.Kadhr was a terrorist who helped sponsor terror. He died in a firefight while doing just that. He indoctrinated his whole family, and yes, I blame Omar for throwing the grenade, but Mr Kadhr, as you refer to him, is even more responsible.

I guess $42 billion is peanuts to Carter.

Of course you don't know what to say. Your reply speaks volumes about that. Last thing first. Your TIME article didn't describe a generous USA. Had you read it you might have realized that.

The USA is constantly at or near the bottom of first world nations giving foreign aid. The vast majority of USA "aid" is military armaments and "aid" to support their band of brutal right wing dictators.

When it comes to real foreign aid, the USA ties their "aid" to USA products (tied aid) and services which isn't aid at all. It's designed to strangle those countries that accept this "aid".

Tied aid mandates developing nations to buy products only from donor countries as a condition for development assistance.

About 60-75 percent of Canadian aid is tied, one of the worlds highest amounts. The United States, Germany, Japan and France still insist that a major proportion of their aid money be used to buy products originating only in their countries, according to experts.

This has ensured that aid money is eventually ploughed back into the economies of donor nations, says Njoki Njoroge Njehu, director of 50 Years is Enough, a coalition of over 200 grassroots non-governmental organisations (NGOs).

The United States makes sure that 80 cents in every aid dollar is returned to the home country, she told IPS.

Its not so much the volume of trade that is important, according to the U.N. report, but rather its qualitative aspects that make a demonstrable difference from a developmental point of view.

http://www.ipsnews.net/2004/07/development-tied-aid-strangling-nations-says-un/

drummindiver · May 22, 2015

Of course you don't know what to say. Your reply speaks volumes about that. Last thing first. Your TIME article didn't describe a generous USA. Had you read it you might have realized that.

The USA is constantly at or near the bottom of first world nations giving foreign aid. The vast majority of USA "aid" is military armaments and "aid" to support their band of brutal right wing dictators.

When it comes to real foreign aid, the USA ties their "aid" to USA products (tied aid) and services which isn't aid at all. It's designed to strangle those countries that accept this "aid".

I hope it speaks volumes. You continually defend terrorists, which speaks volumes about you.

Please, what do you consider a reliable source?

Canada is at 75%

The US is at 80%

This from your `source`.

`designed to strangle` You are so out in left field.

So, maybe we should be kinder, and stop sending money. I wouldn`t mind a break on my taxes so we could stop sending billions of dollars to needy people who only think receiving this gift is a `designed to strangle`affair.

Maybe foreign aid should be outlawed. I wouldn`t want to be seen as aiding in `strangling`a needy person with our donations.

Or, how about we set up orphanages in Afghanistan, and employ convicted murdering terrorists as employees? You know, kind of like what your hero Kadhr did. That wouldn`t be `designed to strangle`anyone, would it.

btw, the USA was number 1 in amount of dollars given on every list I could find. Every single gd list....

Peace, Omar

Edited May 22, 2015 by drummindiver

On Guard for Thee · May 22, 2015

The CBC is funded and controlled by the Canadian government. It is a nation state broadcaster, even for Khadr's case.

Oops. I see you have fallen back into this fallacy of the CBC being controlled by the government. I thought maybe we had you trained, but alas... .

Je suis Omar · May 22, 2015

I hope it speaks volumes. You continually defend terrorists, which speaks volumes about you.

DD, the USA is far and away the biggest terrorist group on the planet. It has been at the least, throughout your lifetime. Canada supports the USA. Now who supports terrorists. Why do you think the Latin American countries set up an organization that excludes the USA and Canada?

Please, what do you consider a reliable source?

Canada is at 75%

The US is at 80%

This from your `source`.

75% what? 80% what?

btw, the USA was number 1 in amount of dollars given on every list I could find. Every single gd list....

Peace, Omar

And yet, year after year, the USA is the stingiest foreign aid donor of all nations.

Why are you defending the world leading terrorists and the world leading cheapskates, DD?

drummindiver · May 22, 2015

75% what? 80% what?

Your post. Your link. Your source. You figure it out. It's what you were talking about (I think?)

Again, US topped everyone in dollars donate. I challenge you to prove otherwise. Obviously, you can't.

Argus · May 22, 2015

DD, the USA is far and away the biggest terrorist group on the planet.

Nope. Wrong again! :rolleyes:

bush_cheney2004 · May 22, 2015

DD, the USA is far and away the biggest terrorist group on the planet. It has been at the least, throughout your lifetime.

Not at the least...you stated it has been thus for more than 200 years. Please get the story straight....no waffling.

Je suis Omar · May 22, 2015

Your post. Your link. Your source. You figure it out. It's what you were talking about (I think?)

Again, US topped everyone in dollars donate. I challenge you to prove otherwise. Obviously, you can't.

No, I agree, I can't and I wouldn't. I wouldn't attempt to prove otherwise, because, unlike a lot of people, I believe in addressing the truth whether it is comfortable or uncomfortable.

The USA "donates" the most in terms of dollars, though that isn't the case for every year. But that's not important.

But do think for a second. The USA economy has long been the largest in the world, (now or soon to be, replaced by China. Oops, communism doesn't know how to create wealth and operate in a capitalistic system).

Of course USA aid should reflect that relationship.

One very important point that you are missing is that the vast majority of USA "aid" goes for military weapons and goods to countries like Israel that doesn't need aid. The USA also supplies "aid" to its long list of right wing dictatorships, again, much of in the form of military goods to keep these populations crushed so USA businesses can steal these countries' wealth.

A much fairer way to measure real aid, the one that aid agencies and countries that are generous use, is aid as a percent of GDP. Measured in this equitable fashion, the USA has perennially been at or near the bottom of the list, from first place to 20th or hovering thereabouts.

That's why Jimmy Carter described, accurately, the USA as the stingiest country in the world.

The piddling amount that remains after the USA feeds its military contractors has been tied aid, the one source said 80% for whatever year that was.

Now, despite my having explained it to you and given you a link that further explains it, you don't do any research, except maybe, Fox or the like, to reinforce your bias.

Tied Aid (only a short two page read)

http://www.oxfamamerica.org/static/oa3/files/aidnow-tiedaidroundtrip.pdf

Why have you not addressed USA terrorism? Why have you not addressed the fact that you, and many many others, are supporting the, far and away, biggest terrorist group of the last 70 years?

Edited May 22, 2015 by Je suis Omar

bush_cheney2004 · May 22, 2015

...Why have you not addressed USA terrorism? Why have you not addressed the fact that you, and many many others, are supporting the, far and away, biggest terrorist group of the last 70 years?

We have already explained why...because they want to.

Why have you not addressed this economic and geo-political reality ?

Why do you choose to continue to benefit from such "terrorist" actions ?

Je suis Omar · May 22, 2015

Je suis Omar, on 22 May 2015 - 11:18 AM, said:

DD, the USA is far and away the biggest terrorist group on the planet.

Nope. :

Noam Chomsky: The phrase 'war on terrorism' should always be used in quotes, cause there can't possibly be a war on terrorism, it's impossible. The reason is it's led by one of the worst terrorist states in the world, in fact it's led by the only state in the world which has been condemned by the highest international authorities for international terrorism, namely the World Court and Security Council, except that the US vetoed the resolution.

Edited May 22, 2015 by Je suis Omar

On Guard for Thee · May 22, 2015

Je suis Omar, on 22 May 2015 - 11:18 AM, said:

DD, the USA is far and away the biggest terrorist group on the planet.

Noam Chomsky: The phrase 'war on terrorism' should always be used in quotes, cause there can't possibly be a war on terrorism, it's impossible. The reason is it's led by one of the worst terrorist states in the world, in fact it's led by the only state in the world which has been condemned by the highest international authorities for international terrorism, namely the World Court and Security Council, except that the US vetoed the resolution.

Since you like to quote Chomsky so often, maybe you should listen to what he has to say about 911 truthers.

http://rt.com/usa/noam-chomsky-911-truthers-342/

Je suis Omar · May 22, 2015

So what....Jimmy Carter says a lot of things.

You say a lot of things too. Rules prevent me from describing any further.

The USA doesn't owe the world a damn thing...

Mafia gangs feel the same way.

but it has given much...much more than many other nations.

True, more than Tuvalu, Zambia, the Congo.

Je suis Omar · May 22, 2015

Since you like to quote Chomsky so often, maybe you should listen to what he has to say about 911 truthers.

http://rt.com/usa/noam-chomsky-911-truthers-342/

Maybe you should think about what people think of you, OGFT, cowardly running from discussions that you have raised.