dre Posted July 12, 2014 Report Posted July 12, 2014 Yeah, because invading Afganistan was totally unprovoked... I could care less if it was provoked or not. If troops wearing foreign uniforms try to force their way into my home at gun-point and I have some grenades handy Im going to try to paint the landscape with their brains. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
jacee Posted July 12, 2014 Report Posted July 12, 2014 Yeah, because invading Afganistan was totally unprovoked... What the hell did Afghanistan have to do with 9/11?! . Quote
-1=e^ipi Posted July 12, 2014 Report Posted July 12, 2014 What the hell did Afghanistan have to do with 9/11?! It's all a bit mystery... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Afghanistan_%282001%E2%80%93present%29 Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted July 12, 2014 Report Posted July 12, 2014 What the hell did Afghanistan have to do with 9/11?! . not much apparently, but hey they weeren't about to tackle Saudi. Quote
jacee Posted July 12, 2014 Report Posted July 12, 2014 not much apparently, but hey they weeren't about to tackle Saudi. . Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted July 13, 2014 Report Posted July 13, 2014 let's get real. He was a kid. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
On Guard for Thee Posted July 13, 2014 Report Posted July 13, 2014 let's get real. He was a kid. And why the hell then is our Mr. Harper so bound and bent on continuing to punish him as an adult? I assume it must be because it somehow appeals to his base, as they say. Which I say makes him a base individual. Quote
Rue Posted July 13, 2014 Report Posted July 13, 2014 (edited) Let's get real he is not a kid. Let's get real, he has stated he would do what he did again if given the chance. Let's get real he is an unrepentant murderer and some of you want to re-create him into a cuddly little teddy bear because you have no clue what created him and why he remains what he is. Edited July 13, 2014 by Rue Quote
eyeball Posted July 13, 2014 Report Posted July 13, 2014 What are you talking about Rue, we know exactly who and what created a soldier out of a child illegally. His parents, one of whom Ottawa is still allowing to walk around free. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Rue Posted July 14, 2014 Report Posted July 14, 2014 ....a terrorist Eyeball not a soldier...but a great point. Can't argue with the culpability of his parents including the mother who sits collecting Canadian welfare and calling Canada an infidel state deserving of more terrorist attacks. For those who see Kadr as a victim, they should understand he stopped being a child long before he went to Afghanistan. His biological age at the time he was a terrorist no longer meant he was child. He had no childhood and no amount of revisionism or feeling sorry for him will change that fact or the fact that certain people can not be rehabilitated and are a danger to society. I once sat across from a 12 year old who could have easily killed me and felt nothing, zero. Its hard for people to fathom that biological age does not necessarily make someone a child. There are children in their 20's and 30's maybe even 40's if we are to measure their iq's both intellectual and emotional. Vice versa certain individuals are far from children under the age of 18. In this case Kadr represents a very real issue bleeding hearts will not get and that is no he is not some kuddly misunderstood kid. No you can't make a pt out of him no more than you can make a domestic pet out of a wolf. Quote
Argus Posted July 14, 2014 Report Posted July 14, 2014 Why anyone cares his age when he went over there is beyond me. Its irelevent except as a way for people to excuse him his behaviour, generally for political reasons. The prisons are jammed with men who had unhappy childhoods, who were beaten, abused, and exposed to every manner of ill when at a young and impressionable age. So what? What matters is what he is now, and from all reports, he's an unrepentant Islamist who spends his days reading the Koran. Would he commit terrorist acts here if released? Dunno. But he wouldn't necessarily be opposed to it. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted July 14, 2014 Report Posted July 14, 2014 20 pages from Argus/Army Guy alone. The one thing we can rely on completely is that anything he or I write will contribute more to this or any other thread than anything you post. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Big Guy Posted July 14, 2014 Author Report Posted July 14, 2014 ... What matters is what he is now, and from all reports, he's an unrepentant Islamist who spends his days reading the Koran. Would he commit terrorist acts here if released? Dunno. But he wouldn't necessarily be opposed to it. What makes you think that he is not opposed to acts of terrorism? Is it because he spends his day reading the Koran? Is that your criteria for a terrorist? How about a person who spends his day reading the Bible? How about the Torah or the Book of Mormon? I suggest that religious profiling is as accurate as profiling by colour, race and gender. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
-1=e^ipi Posted July 14, 2014 Report Posted July 14, 2014 I suggest that religious profiling is as accurate as profiling by colour, race and gender. I suggest that it is more accurate because religions tell people what to do and religion is a choice. Quote
Big Guy Posted July 14, 2014 Author Report Posted July 14, 2014 I suggest that it is more accurate because religions tell people what to do and religion is a choice. I believe that it is a mistake to try to gather people into a group, paint any group with the same brush and attribute behaviour (especially negative behaviour) based on your personal perception, attitude and prejudices. While I agree that religion is a choice but it is also open to interpretation and up to the individual as to what part of the dogma that individual will accept. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
On Guard for Thee Posted July 14, 2014 Report Posted July 14, 2014 ....a terrorist Eyeball not a soldier...but a great point. Can't argue with the culpability of his parents including the mother who sits collecting Canadian welfare and calling Canada an infidel state deserving of more terrorist attacks. For those who see Kadr as a victim, they should understand he stopped being a child long before he went to Afghanistan. His biological age at the time he was a terrorist no longer meant he was child. He had no childhood and no amount of revisionism or feeling sorry for him will change that fact or the fact that certain people can not be rehabilitated and are a danger to society. I once sat across from a 12 year old who could have easily killed me and felt nothing, zero. Its hard for people to fathom that biological age does not necessarily make someone a child. There are children in their 20's and 30's maybe even 40's if we are to measure their iq's both intellectual and emotional. Vice versa certain individuals are far from children under the age of 18. In this case Kadr represents a very real issue bleeding hearts will not get and that is no he is not some kuddly misunderstood kid. No you can't make a pt out of him no more than you can make a domestic pet out of a wolf. What makes him a "terrorist" anymore than anyone else who threw a hand grenade in a war zone I wonder? If he is a terrorist now it could have something to do his incarceration in Gitmo. You know, that place where they waterboard people and such. And if he is a danger then that should be assessed by the same process of professionals as anyone else. Just because Harper is a Yankee lapdog doesn't mean we should simply throw away the key in this case. And BTW, we did turn wolves into domesticated pets, they're called dogs. Quote
cybercoma Posted July 14, 2014 Report Posted July 14, 2014 What makes him a "terrorist" anymore than anyone else who threw a hand grenade in a war zone I wonder?He's not a terrorist. He wasn't targeting innocent civilians and he wasn't using "terror" to advance a political agenda. Attacking soldiers is not a terror tactic. Quote
jacee Posted July 14, 2014 Report Posted July 14, 2014 Why anyone cares his age when he went over there is beyond me. Its irelevent except as a way for people to excuse him his behaviour, generally for political reasons.It's a legal thing ... adult-juvenile, free will-parental choice, legal combatant-child soldier ... The prisons are jammed with men who had unhappy childhoods, who were beaten, abused, and exposed to every manner of ill when at a young and impressionable age. So what? If they commited offenses as juveniles, they wouldn't be in adult prisons.Why is Khadr? What matters is what he is now, and from all reports, he's an unrepentant Islamist who spends his days reading the Koran. Would he commit terrorist acts here if released? Dunno. But he wouldn't necessarily be opposed to it. Because he is Muslim? Since when is religious freedom outlawed in Canada? . Quote
-1=e^ipi Posted July 14, 2014 Report Posted July 14, 2014 I believe that it is a mistake to try to gather people into a group, paint any group with the same brush and attribute behaviour (especially negative behaviour) based on your personal perception, attitude and prejudices. Is this supposed to refute what I wrote? While I agree that religion is a choice but it is also open to interpretation and up to the individual as to what part of the dogma that individual will accept. To what extent do you mean open to interpretation? Can someone be a Muslim and not accept that 'there is no god but Allah and Mohammed is the final prophet of Allah'? Quote
jacee Posted July 15, 2014 Report Posted July 15, 2014 Is this supposed to refute what I wrote? To what extent do you mean open to interpretation? Can someone be a Muslim and not accept that 'there is no god but Allah and Mohammed is the final prophet of Allah'? Who cares? Whose business is it what someone's religious beliefs are? That's the point of freedom of religion. . Quote
Big Guy Posted July 15, 2014 Author Report Posted July 15, 2014 Is this supposed to refute what I wrote? To what extent do you mean open to interpretation? Can someone be a Muslim and not accept that 'there is no god but Allah and Mohammed is the final prophet of Allah'? It depends what your definition of "is" is. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
-1=e^ipi Posted July 15, 2014 Report Posted July 15, 2014 It depends what your definition of "is" is. ... I don't follow what you mean... Quote
jbg Posted July 15, 2014 Report Posted July 15, 2014 A unanimous decision has again gone against the Harper government and ruled that Omar Khadr should be sentenced as a youth and go to an Ontario jail. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/omar-khadr-wins-appeal-ordered-transferred-to-provincial-jail-1.2699971 Omar Khadr should be serving his time in a provincial facility and must be transferred from federal prison, the Alberta Court of Appeal ruled Tuesday. The Harper government rep has promised to appeal the decision. When is this government going to allow this fiasco to end ASAP and get this divisive issue off the table? What's divisive is allowing people who culturally don't fit into the West into Western countries. His mother said it best; she hates Canada and is only here for the health care. We don't need a lot of people shaking tin pots at the West. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
eyeball Posted July 15, 2014 Report Posted July 15, 2014 (edited) ....a terrorist Eyeball not a soldier...but a great point. Can't argue with the culpability of his parents including the mother who sits collecting Canadian welfare and calling Canada an infidel state deserving of more terrorist attacks. For those who see Kadr as a victim, they should understand he stopped being a child long before he went to Afghanistan. It is grotesque how people can hold Omar Khadr's parents culpable while still maintaining such a vindictive animosity for their victim. Why they do is as obvious as it is plain evil. If the coalition of governments involved in Omar Khadr's case hold his parents responsible for illegally indoctrinating their child into becoming a soldier or even a terrorist for that matter, it changes just about everything including even the definition of modern war's and how and who they're waged against and why. There is no way on Earth anyone can have a rational or moral discussion about this when the term child-soldier has a legal meaning and the word terrorist can mean anything a government wants. Edited July 15, 2014 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Argus Posted July 15, 2014 Report Posted July 15, 2014 What makes you think that he is not opposed to acts of terrorism? Is it because he spends his day reading the Koran? Is that your criteria for a terrorist? How about a person who spends his day reading the Bible? How about the Torah or the Book of Mormon? I suggest that religious profiling is as accurate as profiling by colour, race and gender. In powerful, sweeping testimony, a forensic psychiatrist painted a grim portrait of Omar Khadr as a unrepentant, dangerous, Islamic extremist who has been "marinated in the radical jihadism" at Guantanamo. "He is devout, angry and identifies with his family, which is radical and jihadist," Dr. Welner said. He described Mr. Khadr, as "full of rage … he's bitter more than just angry … and he thinks it is everyone's else's fault that he is here." http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/khadr-a-rock-star-in-guantanamo-psychiatrist-testifies/article1215646/#dashboard/follows/ Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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