Indigenous Rights and Title in Canada

[Accountability Now]

If you're going to criticize one of the greenest forms of energy in terms of polution of all types, you're going to have to come up with a viable alternative.

I thought for sure when reading the headline that materials used in the dam caused this but was shocked to find out it was actually from the surrounding decaying matter. Granted the decaying matter would have stayed in place if the dam hadn't flooded the area but still I didn't realize that nature was so toxic.

I guess its kind of like oil extraction. Its already polluting the ground but only becomes a problem when you start moving it.

[jacee]

Or like Grassy Narrows:

The First Nation says scientific studies indicate that clear-cut logging in boreal watersheds raises mercury levels in fish above the Health Canada limit for safe human consumption.

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[jacee]

This is interesting.

Desrosiers_et_al_STE_2006.pdf

In Canadian Shield lakes, Hg may originate

from geological sources (Rasmussen et al., 1998) but

it is recognized that at least 50% of the inorganic Hg

present in the Northern latitude soils comes from

atmospheric deposition (Landers et al., 1998)."

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[jacee]

If you're going to criticize one of the greenest forms of energy in terms of polution of all types, you're going to have to come up with a viable alternative.

So what do you do about the mercury problem?

Flooding clear cut = mercury water.

Hmm ...

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[Smallc]

So what do you do about the mercury problem?

Flooding clear cut = mercury water.

Hmm ...

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Nuclear?

[jacee]

Nuclear?

Leave it in the ground.

[Smallc]

Leave it in the ground.

So what then?

[jacee]

So what then?

why-is-canada-so-far-behind-in-geothermal-power?

"We are pretty determined, said Tim Thompson, Borealis CEO. We think the government has missed the boat, broadly speaking, on the geothermal opportunity and we would love to prove them wrong.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_power_in_Canada

At present, Canada remains the only major country in the Pacific Rim that is not producing electricity from its geothermal resources.[5] This is despite the fact that the colder it is outside, the more electricity a geothermal power plant can produce.

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The GSC Report concluded that Canadas in-place geothermal power exceeds one million times Canadas current electrical consumption. Even if just a fraction of this energy can be put to use, it has the potential to significantly impact the Canadian electricity grid.

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Edited May 15, 2015 by jacee

[Smallc]

That isn't a viable alternative for large scale power generation on a provincial scale.

[jacee]

That isn't a viable alternative for large scale power generation on a provincial scale.

Yes it is.

See edit/add above.

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[Smallc]

Yes it is.

See edit/add above.

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No it's not. I'm all for using it where it's possible, but it isn't a cost effective replacement when other clean forms like hydro and nuclear are available.

[jacee]

No it's not. I'm all for using it where it's possible, but it isn't a cost effective replacement

Yes it is.

when other clean forms like hydro and nuclear are available.

They aren't "clean".

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[Smallc]

Hydro is considered one of the cleanest sources of power on the planet, and nuclear is also when it comes to CO2 and air pollution.

[Smallc]

As an addition, Manitoba has dams that produce far more than 1000 MW. That's nothing compared to combined cycle natural gas or nuclear. You're out to lunch if you think tiny plants that are only sometimes workable make sense.

[jacee]

Hydro is considered one of the cleanest sources of power on the planet, and nuclear is also when it comes to CO2 and air pollution.

We have the evidence now that clear cut logging, and flooding clear cuts contaminates watersheds with mercury.

Hydro power isn't "clean".

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Edited May 15, 2015 by jacee

[jacee]

As an addition, Manitoba has dams that produce far more than 1000 MW. That's nothing compared to combined cycle natural gas or nuclear. You're out to lunch if you think tiny plants that are only sometimes workable make sense.

Geothermal?

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/23732-indigenous-rights-and-title-in-canada/?p=1054328

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Edited May 15, 2015 by jacee

[Smallc]

We have the evidence now that clear cut logging, and flooding clear cuts contaminates watersheds with mercury.

Hydro power isn't "clean".

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We've always known that.

[jacee]

http://www.pressprogress.ca/en/post/video-aboriginal-affairs-minister-says-youth-suicides-are-parents-problem-not-his

And when asked by fellow Quebec MP Romeo Saganash why he voted against his private member's bill to have Canada recognize the UN Declaration of the Rights of Indigenous Peoples, Valcourt replied it would go "against the Constitution of Canada."

(FYI: this is coming from the same guy who voted for Bill C-51).

[PIK]

The natives think they can shut down anything they want, but they cant. They turned down a billion dollar deal and now they think that is it, pipelines cant be built without their permission. Wrong.

[Je suis Omar]

The natives think they can shut down anything they want, but they cant. They turned down a billion dollar deal and now they think that is it, pipelines cant be built without their permission. Wrong.

Damn tootin', PIK. They better damn well shape up. Canada still retains the option of using the "USA full meal deal genocide plan", right?

[jacee]

We're still learning the scope of that genocide plan.

Only 9 children's deaths were officially registered for the Brandon 'Indian' Residential School.

This researcher confirmed 70 children died, and knows there were more.

the-secret-graves-of-brandon-residential-school-

Families were never told what happened to their children.

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Edited May 17, 2015 by jacee

[jacee]

chief-justice-says-canada-attempted-cultural-genocide-on-aboriginals

After an initial period of inter-reliance and equality, she said Canada developed an ethos of exclusion and cultural annihilation.

The objective I quote from Sir John A. Macdonald, our revered forefather was to take the Indian out of the child, and thus solve what was referred to as the Indian problem. Indianness was not to be tolerated; rather it must be eliminated. In the buzz-word of the day, assimilation; in the language of the 21st century, cultural genocide. She made clear that this treatment extended well into the 20th century.

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John Borrows, Canada Research Chair in Indigenous Law at the University of Victoria, called the Chief Justices use of the term unparalleled in Canadian history.

He said the term is unlikely to have legal consequences, but carries symbolic importance coming from the Chief Justice. A lot of indigenous people and other people have been asking for that word to be part of our vocabulary because it does more fully communicate the weight of what happened.

The Truth and Reconciliation Commission winds up with 4 days of events in Ottawa this week.

http://www.trc.ca/websites/trcinstitution/index.php?p=830

"Attempted cultural genocide" ... is intended to convey that we attempted to destroy Indigenous cultures without mass murder.

Over 100 years of terrorizing children, 6 generations of families torn apart intentionally.

And a lot of children 'disappeared'.

(A lot of adults too ... but that's another topic.)

The Truth and Reconciliation Commission barely began the work of searching records for children who died or disappeared, but they had no funding for that huge task.

They were "just scratching the surface".

at-least-4000-aboriginal-children-died-in-residential-schools-commission-finds

The commission has also established The Missing Children Project to assemble the names of children who died, how they died, and where they were buried.

The list of names will be contained in a registry available to the public. Murray said the exact number of deceased children will never be known, but she hopes more information will come from churches and provincial files.

I think were just scratching the surface.

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When the commission releases its report likely by June 2015 the massive document will chronicle the saga of deceased children.

Murray said the saga has left an open wound with First Nations communities.

We hear from survivors and family members how important it is that they know what happened to their loved ones and to know where their remains are located.

Why weren't the families told what happened to their children and where they were buried?

If the purpose was to try to destroy Indigenous cultures ... what happened if children refused to give it up?

Imagine being a parent who survived trauma in a residential school ... knowing you're sending your child to be subjected to the same abuse ... and your child never comes home.

Six generations of that.

And still they are not destroyed.

And neither are their Aboriginal rights and titles.

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Edited May 29, 2015 by jacee

[Je suis Omar]

It's always puzzled me why when Whitey commits genocide we get truth and reconciliation commissions but when dark skinned people do it, Whitey is there, front and center, screaming for war crimes trials, screaming for justice to be done.

This of course follows when Canadian Whiteys demand punishment for all the Serena Nicotines, young aboriginal kids put in their predicaments by six generations of a brutal genocide, but real investigations into missing aboriginal people gets a huge MEH, if even that.

[Je suis Omar]

Does anyone know how many times Stephen Harper, or any of the Cons cabinet, or for that matter, any politician of any stripe, showed up at any T&RC meetings?

Edited May 29, 2015 by Je suis Omar

[AngusThermopyle]

What a crock of s..t. The cases of missing aboriginal women are solved at a comparable rate to those of missing/murdered white women. Now you're going to hate this, but the stats show that the overwhelming perpetrators of such crimes against aboriginal women are...wait for it...aboriginal men. In future instead of just spouting hyperbole and making stuff up to suit your rants you should actually use facts. I know, an unusual and unthinkable concept, right. Try it anyway, you may actually enjoy saying things that aren't pure fantasy.

Edited May 29, 2015 by AngusThermopyle