Moncton NB shooting

[On Guard for Thee]

Say it ain't so...Canada has the CHA and all people get health care regardless of ability to pay. No "American style" mental health care for Canada...no sirreeee !

Maybe you're finally getting the picture. say it ain't so. I'm sure it ain't.

[jbg]

That would be you two, doing your best to keep societal attitudes towards mental illness moored in the dark ages.

No. I want people helped.

One of my earliest memories was going to a rural county fair in Middletown, New York in August 1972. I was 15 at the time, and was revolted by displays of "Mongoloids" and "Siamese Twins" kept in cages and put on display just like tigers and bears. During the summers of 1974 and 1975 I worked at Camp Rainbow in Croton-on-Hudson, New York to help mentally disturbed children. During 1982, while awaiting bar admission, I worked for a non-profit legal services entity. More recently, for a client who couldn't pay much, I exposed a mortgage fraud.

At every step of my way I have tried to help people. I find your remark offensive.

[eyeball]

Compared to your remarks? You've got to be kidding.

I think I must have seen same display but we also had a bearded lady and pickled baby. You were revolted, you really are kidding aren't you? It was as obviously phony as your poor hard done by revulsion.

I've volunteered and helped people out over the years too, big deal. What I've never done is make jokes about mentally ill people while advocating they be punished instead of treated.

[On Guard for Thee]

From what I've read so far on this neither side has asked for a psychological evaluation for Bourque. I suppose it's still early days and that may come later. From the little I know so far I get an inkling he may be one of those people, who Cyber describes quite well in a previous post, who may be "crazy" (my word), but not mentally ill in a way that could render him NCR. He just got a little PO'ed about gun laws. In any case I suspect it wasn't the best choice of strategies to have any of those laws loosened.

[Hydraboss]

Compared to your remarks? You've got to be kidding.

I think I must have seen same display but we also had a bearded lady and pickled baby. You were revolted, you really are kidding aren't you? It was as obviously phony as your poor hard done by revulsion.

I've volunteered and helped people out over the years too, big deal. What I've never done is make jokes about mentally ill people while advocating they be punished instead of treated.

Yes, and we all know that your sacred cow is anyone with a mental illness. Good for you.

What you are purposely overlooking is the fact that no one has advocated that the mentally ill not receive treatment, except, when they step over a line you cannot come back from - murder. Why should anyone give a good god damn if a murderer can be rehabilitated or treated or made to stop hearing the voices that told them to kill and eat people? Why? They are no longer worth any investment to "save" them.

Did you see me write that someone with paranoid delusions that steals a car and crashes it should be locked away for 5 years? 10 years for taking a hostage because of the same condition so long as he or she doesn't kill the victim? Please quote my post(s) where I did that.

You're references to the "dark ages" are outrageous. Back then, I'm pretty sure, these same people would have been done away with for even the most minor of crimes. Get off your high horse and either debate my opinion with your own or can it. Your "thou shalt" attitude towards anyone who would dare speak their mind about the special treatment mentally ill murderers get is looking a whole lot like you're pointing down from a high horse.

[eyeball]

From what I've read so far on this neither side has asked for a psychological evaluation for Bourque. I suppose it's still early days and that may come later. From the little I know so far I get an inkling he may be one of those people, who Cyber describes quite well in a previous post, who may be "crazy" (my word), but not mentally ill in a way that could render him NCR. He just got a little PO'ed about gun laws. In any case I suspect it wasn't the best choice of strategies to have any of those laws loosened.

It didn't take the NFA long to characterize him as deranged, and linking that to evil in pretty much the same breath. To their credit they also suggested more be spent on mental health.

[eyeball]

Your "thou shalt" attitude towards anyone who would dare speak their mind about the special treatment mentally ill murderers get is looking a whole lot like you're pointing down from a high horse.

So says the guy with the perspective of what the horse left behind.

[Derek 2.0]

It didn't take the NFA long to characterize him as deranged, and linking that to evil in pretty much the same breath. To their credit they also suggested more be spent on mental health.

I see a difference between linking an individuals actions to such a tag and casting a wide net over those that suffer from various severities of mental illness.

Obviously casting all those suffering from mental illness as potential “deranged killers” would be as morally bankrupt as any other prejudiced catch-all.

[Big Guy]

... the special treatment mentally ill murderers ...

I try not to take statements out of context but I really am trying to understand your point of view. It appears from my chosen snippet of your statement that the fact that someone is mentally ill (to a point that they are not responsible for their actions) is still a "murderer" when he/she takes the life of a person - while they are considered to be mentally ill.

I cannot understand that logic.

Yes, the person who has been killed is dead and the family of that person suffers all of the pain associated with an unforeseen and unwarranted death. But if the person who did the deed, did not understand what they were doing and were sent to prison for the rest of their lives, or got the death penalty, what about the family of THAT individual? Would that not just compound the unfortunate incident?

I believe that justice is fairness. Would it be fair for a person to pay the price for something that they had no intention for nor the understanding of doing?

I really cannot understand your position. Why do you feel that someone who is incapable of cognisant reason, direction and motive be penalized and be held responsible for something they have no control over?

[Hydraboss]

So says the guy with the perspective of what the horse left behind.

Another excellent response. I touched the nerve you have directly connected to protecting all that suffers from mental illness, and you offer this as your response.

[jbg]

Another excellent response. I touched the nerve you have directly connected to protecting all that suffers from mental illness, and you offer this as your response.

The post you quoted made a good point.

[eyeball]

Why should anyone give a good god damn if a murderer can be rehabilitated or treated or made to stop hearing the voices that told them to kill and eat people? Why? They are no longer worth any investment to "save" them.

Yes they are because they are still human beings....not cows as you put it.

[Derek 2.0]

Canada's National Firearm Association decided to make a really stupid statement on these events. Congratulations on being the first to politicize this situation, while the killer is still on the loose. That's class.

https://twitter.com/JProskowGlobal/status/474639166857547779/photo/1

And some blowback:

NORTH BAY, Ontario ─ A national gun group is upset about being barred from a firearms announcement in northern Ontario next week by federal Public Safety Minister Steven Blaney.

Canada's National Firearms Association claims it has been denied attendance to the event slated for Wednesday at the Rockcut Shooting Club, in Powassen, Ont., located four hours north of Toronto, despite an expectation the announcement will affect gun owners across the county.

As I said to you:

As a member of the NFA (and NRA and CSSA) I fully agree the timing and content were/are off base and inane…..and a great many members, that like myself donate lots of money to them agree……The reset and self diagnostic is well underway.