jacee Posted May 30, 2014 Report Posted May 30, 2014 (edited) Your math skills need a little work. $30B/30M = $1000 Also there are significantly less than 30M taxpayers.. So it's really more like $100+/mo. $30b34m over 9 years My math is right. And I'm pretty sure that $8/mo is paid out in new or increased fees. Smoke and mirrors. . Edited May 30, 2014 by jacee Quote
Keepitsimple Posted May 30, 2014 Report Posted May 30, 2014 (edited) $30b 34m over 9 years My math is right. And I'm pretty sure that $8/mo is paid out in new or increased fees. Smoke and mirrors. . Your math isn't that far off - I get about $200 per year seeing as we probably only have about 20mm people paying taxes. Still doesn't seem like a whole lot - maybe 15 or 20 bucks a month.......but taxes have gone down. Left to their own devices, the alternatives (both Liberals and NDP) would have raised taxes over that 9 year period. One need only look at Ontario to see what damage could have been done at the Federal level - so that 15 or 20 bucks savings looks pretty darn good. Edited May 30, 2014 by Keepitsimple Quote Back to Basics
jacee Posted May 30, 2014 Report Posted May 30, 2014 Your math isn't that far off - I get about $200 per year seeing as we probably only have about 20mm people paying taxes. Still doesn't seem like a whole lot - maybe 15 or 20 bucks a month.......but taxes have gone down. Left to their own devices, the alternatives (both Liberals and NDP) would have raised taxes over that 9 year period. One need only look at Ontario to see what damage could have been done at the Federal level - so that 15 or 20 bucks savings looks pretty darn good.Until you pay it out in "fees". Quote
Boges Posted May 30, 2014 Report Posted May 30, 2014 What kind of Fees do the Federal government levy against taxpayers? Quote
Argus Posted May 30, 2014 Author Report Posted May 30, 2014 Your math isn't that far off - I get about $200 per year seeing as we probably only have about 20mm people paying taxes. Still doesn't seem like a whole lot - maybe 15 or 20 bucks a month.......but taxes have gone down. Left to their own devices, the alternatives (both Liberals and NDP) would have raised taxes over that 9 year period. One need only look at Ontario to see what damage could have been done at the Federal level - so that 15 or 20 bucks savings looks pretty darn good. Well, the population is 34m, but about 13m of those would be kids or retired folks, so say 21m - 1 m unemployed, plus employment rate is about 62% so about 12.4m taxpayers - in theory, except about 1/3 of people who file pay no taxes. So let's say 8.5m actual taxpayers. Works out to about $3500 for each of us taxpayers. I don't mind having an extra $3500 of MY money in MY pocket. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted May 30, 2014 Author Report Posted May 30, 2014 What kind of Fees do the Federal government levy against taxpayers? I can't recall paying them anything since I got my passport three years ago. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Boges Posted May 30, 2014 Report Posted May 30, 2014 I can't recall paying them anything since I got my passport three years ago. PASSPORT!!! And that's not a new fee, nor a compulsory fee unless you want to leave the country. Quote
CPCFTW Posted May 30, 2014 Report Posted May 30, 2014 (edited) $30b 34m over 9 years My math is right. And I'm pretty sure that $8/mo is paid out in new or increased fees. Smoke and mirrors. . It's $30B per year in savings... That's over $1000/yr. It's basic math and you're wrong.Here's a link in case you don't believe me: http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/tax-cuts-saving-canadians-30b-budget-watchdog-1.1840004 OTTAWA -- Canadians are saving more than $30 billion in federal taxes-- or a little less than $1,000 per person -- due to tax changes introduced in the past decade, Canada's budget watchdog says in a new report. Edited May 30, 2014 by CPCFTW Quote
CPCFTW Posted May 30, 2014 Report Posted May 30, 2014 Well, the population is 34m, but about 13m of those would be kids or retired folks, so say 21m - 1 m unemployed, plus employment rate is about 62% so about 12.4m taxpayers - in theory, except about 1/3 of people who file pay no taxes. So let's say 8.5m actual taxpayers. Works out to about $3500 for each of us taxpayers. I don't mind having an extra $3500 of MY money in MY pocket. Yeah I was going to go this route but to be fair much of the tax savings is from the reduction in hst, which most citizens pay. So I think my estimate of a bit more than $1000 PER YEAR is fair. Quote
jacee Posted May 30, 2014 Report Posted May 30, 2014 (edited) What kind of Fees do the Federal government levy against taxpayers?Have you renewed your passport lately?http://ww2.nationalpost.com/m/wp/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com/2012/12/20/the-price-for-a-canadian-passport-is-going-up-from-87-to-120 Edited May 30, 2014 by jacee Quote
CPCFTW Posted May 31, 2014 Report Posted May 31, 2014 Have you renewed your passport lately? http://ww2.nationalpost.com/m/wp/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com/2012/12/20/the-price-for-a-canadian-passport-is-going-up-from-87-to-120 Woah $33 every 5 years? How will I afford that!??! And this is coming from the poster who is dismissing over $1000/yr in tax savings to every Canadian as a pittance. Quote
jacee Posted May 31, 2014 Report Posted May 31, 2014 Woah $33 every 5 years? How will I afford that!??! And this is coming from the poster who is dismissing over $1000/yr in tax savings to every Canadian as a pittance. Not sure where you got "$33".It's $120 now. Quote
Smallc Posted May 31, 2014 Report Posted May 31, 2014 Not sure where you got "$33". And 120-87=? Quote
waldo Posted June 1, 2014 Report Posted June 1, 2014 Still haven't seen the PBO report in the Star or on CBC. CBC used to salivate about having Kevin Page on to bash the government......but good news like this?........crickets. Simple, you keep getting bit on this repeat ploy of yours - I recall correcting you twice previously... here, have another... appeared May 27th. Of course, all the usual MLW Harper Conservative supporters are all pumped up over the miniscule amount of tax savings realized by 'typical' Canadians, while completely ignoring lost revenue..... cause like, apparently, Harper Conservatives sound fiscal management starts with deficit financing! Who needs money! But really, c'mon, why hasn't anyone jumped up to tout all the jobs being created by those corporate tax cuts? Or are you actually unwilling to even trot that failed talking point out any more? Quote
Keepitsimple Posted June 1, 2014 Report Posted June 1, 2014 (edited) Simple, you keep getting bit on this repeat ploy of yours - I recall correcting you twice previously... here, have another... appeared May 27th. Good research Waldo! An online article - great! Nothing on Power and Politics - no breathless interview with the current PBO, Micheal Ferguson - remember how Kevin Page was a weekly feature? And nothing in The Star.....as I said.....crickets. Edited June 1, 2014 by Keepitsimple Quote Back to Basics
cybercoma Posted June 1, 2014 Report Posted June 1, 2014 Good research Waldo! An online article - great! Nothing on Power and Politics - no breathless interview with the current PBO, Micheal Ferguson - remember how Kevin Page was a weekly feature? And nothing in The Star.....as I said.....crickets.Don't bother responding to his point that the savings are small, only for a fraction of taxpayers, and funded by deficit spending and lost revenues, all while people are struggling to find work. Quote
waldo Posted June 1, 2014 Report Posted June 1, 2014 Good research Waldo! An online article - great! Nothing on Power and Politics - no breathless interview with the current PBO, Micheal Ferguson - remember how Kevin Page was a weekly feature? And nothing in The Star.....as I said.....crickets. I trumped your "crickets"... just responding to your failed suggestion that the CBC didn't cover the report. You know, the report that excludes corporate tax cuts... something about a "lack of data"! As for your stated "current PBO", that would be Jean-Denis Fréchette, not Ferguson. You know, Michael Ferguson... Auditor General. Simple, try again, hey! Quote
Keepitsimple Posted June 1, 2014 Report Posted June 1, 2014 I trumped your "crickets"... just responding to your failed suggestion that the CBC didn't cover the report. You know, the report that excludes corporate tax cuts... something about a "lack of data"! As for your stated "current PBO", that would be Jean-Denis Fréchette, not Ferguson. You know, Michael Ferguson... Auditor General. Simple, try again, hey! Ya - that guy! My mistake. Thank you. If you feel that feeble CBC online article "trumps" the crickets of a silent Power and Politics and The Star, good for you. In reality though, I think it's related to a bigger problem in the media....good news simply doesn't sell papers - or at least that's what the media think. If it's not "sensational", it's shunted to the back pages, if reported at all. I'd like to think it's not that partisan in nature but here in Ontario, it's difficult to dismiss the easy ride McGuinty got while in power...constantly referred to as "Premier Dad" and the "Education Premier"....all the while shovelling billions to the Teacher's Unions and lurching from one corrupt scandal to another. Funny thing is - as I've told Cybercoma - I'm not a rapid Conservative partisan....have voted Liberal before and might again one day - when they get a leader that I can respect and trust, policies that make sense, and a vision that is not just airy-fairy, feel good sound bytes. Quote Back to Basics
waldo Posted June 1, 2014 Report Posted June 1, 2014 Ya - that guy! My mistake. Thank you. If you feel that feeble CBC online article "trumps" the crickets of a silent Power and Politics and The Star, good for you. considering it's been only a few days since the report was released, you're taking quite the liberty with both the PBO's scheduling/availability and already established P&P program scheduling. Maybe this new guy isn't quite as "media savvy" as Page was! In any case, there's a dedicated Media Party thread for you to take your concerns to. Oh wait, didn't you just put up a TorStar article in another thread, one that you really liked? That must have been a tough pill for you to swallow. you seem quite content to continue to avoid any discussion of lost revenues, particularly those associated with corporate tax cuts. The article cyber linked to provided a dandy summation on what programs/services just one year of those lost revenues could actually fund. You know, the kinds of things that might actually get the attention of Canadians so critical of Harper Conservatives. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted June 1, 2014 Report Posted June 1, 2014 In reality though, I think it's related to a bigger problem in the media....good news simply doesn't sell papers - or at least that's what the media think. If it's not "sensational", it's shunted to the back pages, if reported at all. I'd like to think it's not that partisan in nature but here in Ontario, it's difficult to dismiss the easy ride McGuinty got while in power...constantly referred to as "Premier Dad" and the "Education Premier"....all the while shovelling billions to the Teacher's Unions and lurching from one corrupt scandal to another. KiS - you've hit on a pet peeve of mine. Honestly, I don't know if it's about "easy rides" as much as it is about the mundane nature of operating a mult-billion dollar mega-corp. The example I always use is about eHealth doing nothing (still ?) and spending billions but not becoming a scandal until some faceless contractor tried to expense a tea and bagel or somesuch. No, the "press" is supposed to be a check on power - but "the" public (really, the masses - which is why I put "the" in quotes) don't care about such things. This is why the Liberals persist, and that even purportedly conservative politicians like Hurricane Hazel shrug and say that the scandals are water under the bridge. Funny thing is - as I've told Cybercoma - I'm not a rapid Conservative partisan....have voted Liberal before and might again one day - when they get a leader that I can respect and trust, policies that make sense, and a vision that is not just airy-fairy, feel good sound bytes. I hear you. I'm not a Conservative supporter at all, but I am discouraged by the dismissal of the idea of good management. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
waldo Posted June 1, 2014 Report Posted June 1, 2014 (edited) I hear you. I'm not a Conservative supporter at all, but I am discouraged by the dismissal of the idea of good management. and just why do you think Harper Conservatives are so dismissive of the idea of 'good management'... oh, wait... caution: facilitator driven thread drift ahead! Edited June 1, 2014 by waldo Quote
Michael Hardner Posted June 1, 2014 Report Posted June 1, 2014 and just why do you think Harper Conservatives are so dismissive of the idea of 'good management'... oh, wait... They aren't - it's Hazel as the eyebrow-raising example. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
CPCFTW Posted June 1, 2014 Report Posted June 1, 2014 you seem quite content to continue to avoid any discussion of lost revenues, particularly those associated with corporate tax cuts. The article cyber linked to provided a dandy summation on what programs/services just one year of those lost revenues could actually fund. You know, the kinds of things that might actually get the attention of Canadians so critical of Harper Conservatives. The article is wrong. Go read the "alternate budget" that is mentioned in the asterisk. The national child care program is supposed to cost at least 1% of GDP annually.. Which at this point would be over $18B annually. Quote
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