Israel Becoming Dumber Every Year

[Argus]

One of the stark differences between the Muslim world and the West has been education. Education in the Muslim world often consists primarily of studying the Koran, rather than Math, Science or Engineering. The result is widespread illiteracy and poverty. It seems Israel is flipping that old axium "if you can't beat them join them" upside down. "If you can beat them, then join them until you're just as ignorant".

The reason, as in the Muslim world, is religion. The number of religious fanatics in Israel continues to grow by leaps and bounds. They don't work, they don't go to school (except to study their religion) and they live in poverty and ignorance. And they seem to be the future of Israel.

Lest you think this is a short term situation, take note: With an average of 8.8 children per woman, the Haredi numbers are growing at a rate of 5 per cent a year, meaning its population of about one million (12 per cent of Israel’s eight million) will double in less than 15 years, and double again 15 years after that. It won’t be long before the Haredim become a majority in the Jewish state.


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Edited May 16, 2014 by Argus

[guyser]

They don't work, they don't go to school (except to study their religion) and they live in poverty and ignorance. And they seem to be the future of Israel.

And universally despised by their own.

[iolo]

The problem with the 'Israeli' colonialists is simple racism and child-murder (2,000 of the colonised children in ten years). And those, of course, are the descendants of the Old Testament Jews they are killing. Well, perhaps it terrorises the parents, but I doubt it rather.

[Argus]

And universally despised by their own.

How universal if they're already 12% of the population, and doubling every fifteen years? That puts them at 24% in fifteen years, 48% fifteen years after that.

[Argus]

The problem with the 'Israeli' colonialists is simple racism and child-murder (2,000 of the colonised children in ten years). And those, of course, are the descendants of the Old Testament Jews they are killing. Well, perhaps it terrorises the parents, but I doubt it rather.

There is no thought, no truth, no wisdom or even intelligence to this post. I have no idea what it has to do with this topic nor even if you do. All that seems evident is you don't like Jews.

[jbg]

How universal if they're already 12% of the population, and doubling every fifteen years? That puts them at 24% in fifteen years, 48% fifteen years after that.

This has only happened by virtue of subsidy, and exemption from the draft. The latter is already ending. Israel will put an end to this foolishness. This can't perpetuate if it has to be self-sustaining.

[guyser]

How universal if they're already 12% of the population, and doubling every fifteen years? That puts them at 24% in fifteen years, 48% fifteen years after that.

Despised by the ones who work and pay their share.

[Big Guy]

If Israel really is an ecclesiocracy then it would be expected that this specific group would have enough influence to maintain their exemptions. If part of their philosophy is to reproduce in numbers far greater then the rest of the country then that bodes ill for the future stability of the nation.

[-TSS-]

The "if you can't beat join them"-argument doesn't really apply Israel and its relation to the neighbours. If the neighbours only could they would have wiped Israel out a long time ago. So who is beating whom?

[iolo]

I like Jews very well, but I detest child-murdering Nazis and their apologists. You feel otherwise, do you, Argus? Heil Netemyahu!

[eyeball]

Lest you think this is a short term situation, take note: With an average of 8.8 children per woman, the Haredi numbers are growing at a rate of 5 per cent a year, meaning its population of about one million (12 per cent of Israel’s eight million) will double in less than 15 years, and double again 15 years after that. It won’t be long before the Haredim become a majority in the Jewish state.

Why should I be worried about this anymore than I am a melting glacier? It's just so tomorrow.

[iolo]

TSS - Nazism is beating decency, with American subsidies.

[Rue]

Argus I confer with your post and defer to JBG's comments. The extremists you talk of are an extreme burden on the nation because as you say they do not work or contribute to Israeli society, They are insular. Unlike the Amish in Canada or elsewhere if I may use the analogy for second they do not self sustain.

As y ou and JBG point out they depend on government subsidies or the charity of non fundamentalists who do work. If they were self sustaining like say the Amish running their own farms and businesses, no one would care. There are for example 10,000 Muslim refugees from Serbia who were brought to Israel. They pretty much are self sustaining on collective farms. So its not so much the religion they follow as much as it is that they use that religion as the pretext not to work and in a tiny country like Israel with so many limitations it can't continue without destroying Israel..

It is a complex issue exasperated by the fact that most of these fundamentalists denounce the recognition of the state of Israel as a nation and have in public displays supported Arab terrorists and anti Israel regimes like Iran even showing up in Iran when it was carrying out an anti-holocaust gathering to be used as pathetic propaganda props.

Because Israel is a democracy it has to tred softly and show tolerance with these people no differently than it does many of its other citizens Jewish or non Jewish who are anti government. Its why we see Muslims as well elected to the Knesset and calling for the dismantling of Israel.

There are for example a group of communist Jews who came to Israel and became Jewish citizens and now live on welfare and yet at the same time denounce the state's existence. In this case it reminds me tiny bit of the Bloc Quebecois in that we have citizens of a nation demanding it not exist yet accepting payments from the very state they spit on.

No one said democracy and guaranteeing freedom of speech was easy but they are a testament to Israel's belief in freedom of speech even when its possibly destructive to the nation. Its a slippery slope as to how much tolerance however can be allowed and the demographics as you suggested Argus can not continue or the very nation sill not be able to exist. Its a fundamental crisis as Israel was created to protect Jewish people and now is faced with the practical reality that it can not protect certain Jewish people.

The other choice is to be like a fundamentalist Islamic state and wipe them all out. In Gaza when Hamas disagreed with its opponents it just shot them dead. Hezbollah-get in their way, you die. Assad in Syria, no problem, nothing a civil war can't control. Iran-ah yes, that pillar of democracy simply murders its Bahaiis and tortures and imprisons non Muslims and if they are Kurds, it used to get together in the good old days with Turkey and its good friend Russia and coordinate their slaughter then complain how evil Sadam Hussein was for gassing them but how evil the US was for disposing of Hussein as well.

Such is life. You see in China, Russia, when you have pesky fundamentalist Muslims you simply wipe them out with military force while sucking up to Islamic nations that do the same with other sects of Islam they do not agree with.

The world is a screwed up place because of all fundamentalist religious followers.

Edited May 19, 2014 by Rue

[monty16]

Maybe we should also think a bit of the US relatively fundamentalist Christian attitudes that are propelling the problems in the world today with Muslims. After all, if there is a war of religions going on then it's only because of US presence and meddling in the ME. Some of the US's own politicians haven't been shy in stating it in clear terms either. Ron Paul understands that it's all about revenge and isn't afraid to state it. The rest of the world's majority of people are even more strongly convinced of that truth.

[bush_cheney2004]

Except that U.S. fundamentalists have not driven U.S. policy in the ME and certainly did not drive Canadian military interventions, bases, oil services contracts, sanctions, etc. in the same region.