jbg Posted August 26, 2014 Report Posted August 26, 2014 Human garbage , for telling the truth? All this is ,is to get the eye off of the chiefs and band councils, who could be the biggest problem for their people.I met him and Mark Steyn in New York. I talked to them after a speech. Neither of them struck me as nice. Just very arrogant. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
PIK Posted August 26, 2014 Report Posted August 26, 2014 (edited) PIK maintains the irreLevant one does research... where's his data/summary findings to go along with his column? To declare it simply as "RCMP data" is hardly "research worthy"!What should we do, wait until the Toronto star comes out with the info? And I would like to know how many left the reserve because of abuse?? Edited August 26, 2014 by PIK Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
PIK Posted August 26, 2014 Report Posted August 26, 2014 I met him and Mark Steyn in New York. I talked to them after a speech. Neither of them struck me as nice. Just very arrogant.So what? Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Black Dog Posted August 26, 2014 Report Posted August 26, 2014 (edited) It would be nice to know if that RCMP data covers all crimes or just those under RCMP jurisdiction. As I pointed out most of the crimes in question occur off reserve in urban areas. Most urban areas with high aboriginal populations (Edmonton, Winnipeg, Vancouver, Toronto etc.) have their own police forces. What are their stats? Edited August 26, 2014 by Black Dog Quote
Argus Posted August 27, 2014 Report Posted August 27, 2014 An enquiry would be into the reasons why so many aboriginal women disappear or are killed. Everyone already knows why. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 27, 2014 Report Posted August 27, 2014 There are slightly more murdered aboriginal men than women but nowhere near twice as many. StatsCan figures show the difference as 17% vs 14%. However aboriginal women are much more likely to be victoms of violent crimes including spousal abuse which is one ot the concepts behind having the socialogical oriented enquiry. Of course solving idividual crimes will remain with the police. But we already know why they're more likely to be the victims of spousal assaults. Because of the poverty, drug and alcohol abuse among natives, both on and off reserves. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Keepitsimple Posted August 27, 2014 Report Posted August 27, 2014 There are slightly more murdered aboriginal men than women but nowhere near twice as many. StatsCan figures show the difference as 17% vs 14%. However aboriginal women are much more likely to be victoms of violent crimes including spousal abuse which is one ot the concepts behind having the socialogical oriented enquiry. Of course solving idividual crimes will remain with the police. It's 17% of male homicides and 14% of female homicides. Male homicides are more than three times that of females.... Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_and_crime Quote Back to Basics
On Guard for Thee Posted August 27, 2014 Report Posted August 27, 2014 It's 17% of male homicides and 14% of female homicides. Male homicides are more than three times that of females.... Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_and_crime Depends who's stats you read, StatsCan or RCMP. Quote
Boges Posted August 27, 2014 Report Posted August 27, 2014 Alright so I just want to ask. http://www.ezralevant.com/a-tragedy-that-doesnt-cry-for-an-inquiry/ What in this column is an error? If it's true that many of the people that have committed these murders had previous convictions for violent crimes and judges make a point of giving lighter sentences to first nations people's. Why isn't that the issue? Quote
Black Dog Posted August 27, 2014 Report Posted August 27, 2014 Alright so I just want to ask. http://www.ezralevant.com/a-tragedy-that-doesnt-cry-for-an-inquiry/ What in this column is an error? If it's true that many of the people that have committed these murders had previous convictions for violent crimes and judges make a point of giving lighter sentences to first nations people's. Why isn't that the issue? The issue is the veracity of that particular claim. Quote
cybercoma Posted August 27, 2014 Report Posted August 27, 2014 The best article I've read on this issue recently.We don't need an inquiry. http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014/08/26/why_we_dont_need_an_inquiry_into_murdered_aboriginal_women_walkom.html Quote
waldo Posted August 27, 2014 Report Posted August 27, 2014 The best article I've read on this issue recently. We don't need an inquiry. http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014/08/26/why_we_dont_need_an_inquiry_into_murdered_aboriginal_women_walkom.html really? No inquiry necessary, you say? Nothing to be learned since 1996... since 1999? Really? Quote
Keepitsimple Posted August 27, 2014 Report Posted August 27, 2014 Depends who's stats you read, StatsCan or RCMP. It appears that you simply don't believe the original poster who said over twice as many Aboriginal males are murdered when compared to females. Why is that? To help you along, here's an excerpt from Thomas Walkom's column in The Star this morning: Why we don’t need an inquiry into murdered aboriginal women: Walkom The last thing native Canadians need is yet another inquiry into their plight. The point now is to do something. .......................................................... As the Star recently reported, Statistics Canada figures show that over the last three decades, some 745 aboriginal women were murdered — an unacceptably high number. Yet over the same period, 1,750 aboriginal men were killed. Link: http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014/08/26/why_we_dont_need_an_inquiry_into_murdered_aboriginal_women_walkom.html Quote Back to Basics
waldo Posted August 27, 2014 Report Posted August 27, 2014 (edited) It appears that you simply don't believe the original poster who said over twice as many Aboriginal males are murdered when compared to females. Why is that? again, you're missing the big picture; rather, you're deflecting from that big picture. Whichever stats you choose to use, why does Stephen Harper, why do Harper Conservatives, choose to label those stats (or what he/they presume to imply) as being criminal based rather than indicative of sociological behaviour/influence? Edited August 27, 2014 by waldo Quote
cybercoma Posted August 27, 2014 Report Posted August 27, 2014 really? No inquiry necessary, you say? Nothing to be learned since 1996... since 1999? Really? Maybe you should read the article before you get on your high horse again. Quote
waldo Posted August 27, 2014 Report Posted August 27, 2014 high horse? You better get on yours and head off the apparent independent move/action being contemplated by the Premiers, hey? But really, c'mon... I'm really taken aback that you would choose to give Stephen Harper/Harper Conservatives cover in this regard! Quote
Boges Posted August 27, 2014 Report Posted August 27, 2014 high horse? You better get on yours and head off the apparent independent move/action being contemplated by the Premiers, hey? But really, c'mon... I'm really taken aback that you would choose to give Stephen Harper/Harper Conservatives cover in this regard! Stephen Harper killed these women? Shouldn't he be charged? Quote
cybercoma Posted August 27, 2014 Report Posted August 27, 2014 (edited) high horse? You better get on yours and head off the apparent independent move/action being contemplated by the Premiers, hey? But really, c'mon... I'm really taken aback that you would choose to give Stephen Harper/Harper Conservatives cover in this regard! Read the f'ing article. Christ. You're making yourself look very foolish by responding before actually reading the damn piece. Edited August 27, 2014 by cybercoma Quote
Boges Posted August 27, 2014 Report Posted August 27, 2014 The Liberal government of the day called the recommendations too expensive and ignored most of them. Nothing much was done. Indeed, the very fact that an inquiry had been held seemed to absolve the government from further action. Which, I fear, is what would happen should yet another inquiry be called. We know what’s behind the violence against aboriginal women (and men). It is not mysterious. As the RCMP report notes, some 90 per cent of the killings are committed by family members and others known to the victims. So it's Harper's fault the Liberals ignored TWO! commissions into FN crime. Gotcha! There are many marginalized groups that don't resort to violent crime. Quote
waldo Posted August 27, 2014 Report Posted August 27, 2014 Stephen Harper killed these women? Shouldn't he be charged? do you think a post like yours is clever? Do you think it adds anything of value/significance? Quote
waldo Posted August 27, 2014 Report Posted August 27, 2014 (edited) So it's Harper's fault the Liberals ignored TWO! commissions into FN crime. Gotcha! There are many marginalized groups that don't resort to violent crime. but the libs, but the libs!!! Standard response from supporters of the current government - accountability? You betcha! nice touch with the "FN crime" reference! Right in line with the Harper Conservative talking points, hey! Edited August 27, 2014 by waldo Quote
Boges Posted August 27, 2014 Report Posted August 27, 2014 but the libs, but the libs!!! Standard response from supporters of the current government - accountability? You betcha! nice touch with the "FN crime" reference! Right in line with the Harper Conservative talking points, hey! Just quoted the story. FROM THE STAR!!!! Do we need another commission to tell us what it seems we already know? Quote
waldo Posted August 27, 2014 Report Posted August 27, 2014 Read the f'ing article. Christ. You're making yourself look very foolish by responding before actually reading the damn piece. of course I've read it... particularly the point about nothing having been done in almost 20 years (based on the first inquiry/report). Do you think, perhaps..... another inquiry, a timely current one, might bring forward better/improved understandings based on more current data? Do you think there might be a chance the impetus of a high profile inquiry might... just might... spur a government forward to, this time, actually initiate changes... particularly given this Harper Conservative government chooses to ignore any sociological factors/influence... chooses to simply dismiss the situation as criminal in nature? Quote
waldo Posted August 27, 2014 Report Posted August 27, 2014 Do we need another commission to tell us what it seems we already know? who is we? Perhaps you need to talk to the hand..... of your boy, Stephen Harper! Oh wait, that's right... you just highlighted the situation as "FN crime". Is that your takeaway from the past inquiry/commission? Quote
Boges Posted August 27, 2014 Report Posted August 27, 2014 (edited) of course I've read it... particularly the point about nothing having been done in almost 20 years (based on the first inquiry/report). Do you think, perhaps..... another inquiry, a timely current one, might bring forward better/improved understandings based on more current data? Do you think there might be a chance the impetus of a high profile inquiry might... just might... spur a government forward to, this time, actually initiate changes... particularly given this Harper Conservative government chooses to ignore any sociological factors/influence... chooses to simply dismiss the situation as criminal in nature? OK let's say the CPC decided to write a cheque to help this issue. Would these Chiefs that make 6 or 7 figure salaries get a piece of that money first? If so then I would oppose. The Feds give the FN community a lot of money. It would appear it's being mis-used by their leadership. Yet legislation to attempt to fix that is seen as racist. Edited August 27, 2014 by Boges Quote
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