Peter F Posted May 14, 2014 Report Posted May 14, 2014 paying rent (via taxes) on land sounds very much like Municipal taxes. Quote A bayonet is a tool with a worker at both ends
TimG Posted May 14, 2014 Report Posted May 14, 2014 (edited) paying rent (via taxes) on land sounds very much like Municipal taxes.Only if you live in corrupt third world slum hole. In Canada taxes are set based on the cost of services delivered to the taxpayers. No more and no less. The idea that taxes should siphoned off to provide an incomes for the land "owners" is a return to feudal times. It should come as no surprise that natives are obsessed with their relationship with the crown because many want to set themselves up as parasitic feudal lords. Of course, such a system is completely incompatible with values of a modern democracy (especially one where there are many voters already complaining about the unequal distribution of wealth). Edited May 14, 2014 by TimG Quote
Argus Posted May 14, 2014 Report Posted May 14, 2014 No way. Yours? In a second. No one need give up anything but the govt and some money. I dont like it anymore than anyone else, but we need to get this done and over with and then all that pontificating youve done can be greenlit. There are hundreds of land claims, many of them multiple claims by multiple tribes on the same land. The total value of them all, including paying for the entire land some major cities (eg Vancouver) sit on, is in the trillions of dollars. And unless you think the government makes money, that means it has to come out of our pockets. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jbg Posted May 14, 2014 Report Posted May 14, 2014 To-day, the UN released a scathing report on the way the Harper government has been treating aboriginals. United Nations envoy says there’s a crisis in Canada when it comes to how aboriginal people in this country are treated, noting that the relationship between the federal government and indigenous peoples is even more strained than a decade ago. Is this report accurate? I would take the report more seriously if the U.N. issued a "scathing" report on Myanmar's mistreatment of Muslims (link), Russian violence in the Caucasus (link), Russian interference in Ukraine, or, until the recent kidnappings, Boko Haram's activities in Nigeria. Or for that matter Shabab's atrocities in Somalia (where they drove out Doctors Without Borders) and Kenya (link). But no outrage there, only where decent but imperfect leaders don't meet impossible standards. What hypocrisy. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
DFCaper Posted May 14, 2014 Report Posted May 14, 2014 I think anyone who doesn't want for natives to integrate into our society are the racist. How does isolating them to separate towns (reserves) and separate schools not strike one as the racist solution? I think any solution that promotes long term segregation is unethical. What we owe natives is a helping hand integrating into our society. They are victims of long term segregation and are suffering greatly from this segregation. Shame on you posters who do not want natives to be equal to other Canadians. Quote "Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it" - Hellen Keller "Success is not measured by the heights one attains, but by the obstacles one overcomes in its attainment" - Booker T. Washington
Peter F Posted May 14, 2014 Report Posted May 14, 2014 Only if you live in corrupt third world slum hole. In Canada taxes are set based on the cost of services delivered to the taxpayers. No more and no less. The idea that taxes should siphoned off to provide an incomes for the land "owners" is a return to feudal times. It should come as no surprise that natives are obsessed with their relationship with the crown because many want to set themselves up as parasitic feudal lords. Of course, such a system is completely incompatible with values of a modern democracy (especially one where there are many voters already complaining about the unequal distribution of wealth). So taxes to landowners is bad but rent to landowners if fine? Quote A bayonet is a tool with a worker at both ends
monty16 Posted May 14, 2014 Report Posted May 14, 2014 Any time someone groups all people as to race or ethnicity it raises the racism flag. "All" Aboriginals cannot be grouped together as all "Caucasian" can not be grouped together as a race or ethnicity or of having an opinion that is in sync with his respective group. Some aboriginals will side with the Caucasian group and some Caucasians will side with the Aborigninal group. People who are not race conscious and not racist inclined will not try this sort of tactic. Those who find they are guilty of this kind of bad behaviour should just STOP IT! Canadians are better than that! Quote
TimG Posted May 14, 2014 Report Posted May 14, 2014 (edited) So taxes to landowners is bad but rent to landowners if fine?You are the one who made a silly analogy. If you want to argue that we should create a race based class of parasites that are supported by "rents" then you should just say that is what you believe. Don't try to hide it by pretending these "rents" are just like municipal taxes which people already pay. That said, the reason these claims are so hard to resolve is politicians know that agreeing to do something like that will be unacceptable to the vast majority of the voting public yet they are faced with native groups that demand exactly that. The only option the government has is to work on problem areas like education with the pragmatists like Alteo. The trouble is Alteo was tossed out for making too many "concessions" which means the government has no choice by to walk away because there is no middle ground to be found with the fanatics like Palmater. Edited May 14, 2014 by TimG Quote
jbg Posted May 14, 2014 Report Posted May 14, 2014 (edited) Any time someone groups all people as to race or ethnicity it raises the racism flag. "All" Aboriginals cannot be grouped together as all "Caucasian" can not be grouped together as a race or ethnicity or of having an opinion that is in sync with his respective group. Some aboriginals will side with the Caucasian group and some Caucasians will side with the Aborigninal group. People who are not race conscious and not racist inclined will not try this sort of tactic. Those who find they are guilty of this kind of bad behaviour should just STOP IT! Canadians are better than that! Finally a post of yours I find a significant amount of agreement with. A "Kodak moment." And that is not sarcasm or insult. Edited May 14, 2014 by jbg Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 14, 2014 Report Posted May 14, 2014 ...Canadians are better than that! No, some Canadians think they are better than that. History says otherwise. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted May 14, 2014 Report Posted May 14, 2014 Of course then there is black history in America. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 14, 2014 Report Posted May 14, 2014 Of course then there is black history in America. That's right...the Americans don't hide it behind "crown" excuses. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted May 14, 2014 Report Posted May 14, 2014 That's right...the Americans don't hide it behind "crown" excuses. Now that's an interesting creation. Crown excuses. Quote
cybercoma Posted May 14, 2014 Report Posted May 14, 2014 If only we had more such brave and noble people as you. You are a man among men, a towering figure of majesty and stern righteousness!you can't criticize Waldo for tone, if you're going to do the exact same thing. Quote
Smallc Posted May 14, 2014 Report Posted May 14, 2014 you can't criticize Waldo for tone, if you're going to do the exact same thing. There was a better reaponse to that post? Quote
Army Guy Posted May 14, 2014 Report Posted May 14, 2014 The claims exceed the total value of the Canadian economy...the payment would bankrupt the country and solve nothing. I can't find an exact figure any where," nothing on any Government web site..... Although many first nations sources repeatily mention well over a trillion dollars. How does a nation service a trillion dollar debt, some of this debt is from the 1700's...like i said before we had to endure massive cuts to government programs to come up with just 5 bil in surpluses....please note this is just debt we owe first nations, it does not include Canada's national debt.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
cybercoma Posted May 14, 2014 Report Posted May 14, 2014 There was a better reaponse to that post? Yes there was. The better response would have been to ignore it, rather than drag the tone down. The response itself doesn't bother me at all. It's just ironic given how much criticism Argus has thrown at waldo for his tone. Quote
Argus Posted May 14, 2014 Report Posted May 14, 2014 STOP IT! Is that you, Justin? Sorry, but you don't get to dictate things to us here. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted May 14, 2014 Report Posted May 14, 2014 you can't criticize Waldo for tone, if you're going to do the exact same thing. I am reacting to his tone. Waldo's tone is upfront confrontational from the beginning. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted May 14, 2014 Report Posted May 14, 2014 Yes there was. The better response would have been to ignore it, rather than drag the tone down. The response itself doesn't bother me at all. It's just ironic given how much criticism Argus has thrown at waldo for his tone. How much criticism HAVE I thrown at Waldo for his tone? Not much, really. It came up in the topic on moderation once or twice is all. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
cybercoma Posted May 14, 2014 Report Posted May 14, 2014 How much criticism HAVE I thrown at Waldo for his tone? Not much, really. It came up in the topic on moderation once or twice is all. I stand corrected then. Quote
overthere Posted May 14, 2014 Report Posted May 14, 2014 I think anyone who doesn't want for natives to integrate into our society are the racist. How does isolating them to separate towns (reserves) and separate schools not strike one as the racist solution? I think any solution that promotes long term segregation is unethical. What we owe natives is a helping hand integrating into our society. They are victims of long term segregation and are suffering greatly from this segregation. Shame on you posters who do not want natives to be equal to other Canadians. Who do you think put the First Nations on reserves in the first place? Their 'segregation' was not their choice. Though it's easier to kill people when they are off by themselves. First Nations people are willing to be equal to Canadians, just not on terms and conditions that you dictate and have dictated for many generations. Assimilation is genocide by another word.. We don't require any other Canadians to assimilate at all, yet we demand it of of First Nations. But no no no no that is not racist at all.. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
monty16 Posted May 14, 2014 Report Posted May 14, 2014 Finally a post of yours I find a significant amount of agreement with. A "Kodak moment." And that is not sarcasm or insult. Thank you, even though it sounded like sarcasm and it started a whole string of sarcasm and nastiness didn't it Quote
Argus Posted May 14, 2014 Report Posted May 14, 2014 Assimilation is genocide by another word.. We don't require any other Canadians to assimilate at all, yet we demand it of of First Nations. But no no no no that is not racist at all.. Assimilation is genocide? I don't know about you, buddy, but if it came down to a choice I'd way rater be assimilated than killed. No, assimilation is NOT genocide. Lots of people in this society manage to thrive while keeping their history alive. The natives are never going to improve their lot in lives sitting in the boonies far from jobs and life. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
cybercoma Posted May 15, 2014 Report Posted May 15, 2014 Assimilation is genocide? I don't know about you, buddy, but if it came down to a choice I'd way rater be assimilated than killed. No, assimilation is NOT genocide. Lots of people in this society manage to thrive while keeping their history alive. The natives are never going to improve their lot in lives sitting in the boonies far from jobs and life. What if it were Muslims that were trying to assimilate you? Would you take death then? Quote
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