Harper Government Ignoring Aboriginals

[monty16]

With UN approval we went to war. Without it we did not.

WRONG! At least for the Kosovo war because the UN didn't approve and the US/Nato warmongers had to rely on Nato to get to slaughter people from 30,000'.

[On Guard for Thee]

Only because you happen to support the side of the political debate that the UN activists choose to support. You would be just as critical of the UN if they picked a side that you disagreed with. You really have to stop assuming that people saying things that affirm your political prejudices are unbiased just because your prejudices are being affirmed.

Reports that come from people who have no particular axe to grind bear scrutiny without just assuming they are bad because they are not from the right wing wing dings you seem to follow.

[monty16]

Only because you happen to support the side of the political debate that the UN activists choose to support. You would be just as critical of the UN if they picked a side that you disagreed with. You really have to stop assuming that people saying things that affirm your political prejudices are unbiased just because your prejudices are being affirmed.

This is where you got it right! The US sticks with the UN because it provides licence at times that fulfills it's agenda. But at other times they whine and whine about the UN because it throws the monkey wrench into their war plans.

Oh, and the UN has passed dozens of UNSC resolutions condemning the Zionist regime in Israel. that really irks Americans!

[kimmy]

Personally speaking, pretty bored with aboriginal grievances.

-k

[On Guard for Thee]

This is where you got it right! The US sticks with the UN because it provides licence at times that fulfills it's agenda. But at other times they whine and whine about the UN because it throws the monkey wrench into their war plans.

Oh, and the UN has passed dozens of UNSC resolutions condemning the Zionist regime in Israel. that really irks Americans!

That's true. The first US monkey wrench I encountered was in Somalia. The US was a complete failure and a lot of dead people. The UN stopped that. It is still a basket case for sure. But I bet there are more Somali's alive because of the changeover.

[TimG]

Reports that come from people who have no particular axe to grind bear

You have no evidence that they have "no ax to grind". It is just a fiction that you want to believe. The fact that the report say pipelines should be "blocked" as a solution to aboriginal problems shows they have a very big ax to grind. I really have nothing but contempt for the argument that "so and so should listened to because they are unbiased" because no one is unbiased. Everyone has an agenda and if you don't know what that agenda is you cannot claim to be informed. Edited May 13, 2014 by TimG

[monty16]

That's true. The first US monkey wrench I encountered was in Somalia. The US was a complete failure and a lot of dead people. The UN stopped that. It is still a basket case for sure. But I bet there are more Somali's alive because of the changeover.

It's a pleasure to talk to a person like you who has obviously been around. A real rest break from talking to precocious teenagers!

[TimG]

Personally speaking, pretty bored with aboriginal grievances.

The recent failure of the aboriginal education reforms proves that working with most native groups is a pointless waste of time. They have no interest in finding constructive solutions. They just want to keep the native grievance industry going.

[On Guard for Thee]

It's a pleasure to talk to a person like you who has obviously been around. A real rest break from talking to precocious teenagers!

well thank you. It's my job that took me around and I feel so lucky for that. I don't profess to know anything much but I did get to see a lot of places off the beaten track. I tried to learn as much as I could.

[monty16]

The recent failure of the aboriginal education reforms proves that working with most native groups is a pointless waste of time. They have no interest in finding constructive solutions. They just want to keep the native grievance industry going.

Do you enjoy trying to tar all our aboriginals with the same brush? In my humble opinion Tim, it's not a very enviable position to be known to be supporting. Do you try to tar other minorities with that same brush Tim?

[TimG]

Do you enjoy trying to tar all our aboriginals with the same brush?

You missed the word "most"? Shaun Atleo was forced to resign because he supported a constructive compromise so given that evidence it s far to say that working with most aboriginal groups is a waste of time.

[On Guard for Thee]

You missed the word "most"? Shaun Atleo was forced to resign because he supported a constructive compromise so given that evidence it s far to say that working with most aboriginal groups is a waste of time.

All I hear is blah blah blah from that post. Can you get a point going here?

[cybercoma]

The "scorecard" is nothing but a set of talking points written by political activists for the native grievance industry. It is no different than a "scorecard" that rated the Canadian government by using talking points from the NDP policy book. They may not be looking for votes but they are definitely picking sides a domestic political debate.

You shouldn't rely on ad hominem fallacies to support your position. Who the report comes from is meaningless, unless you have some evidence that the report is wrong in some way.

[TimG]

You shouldn't rely on ad hominem fallacies to support your position. Who the report comes from is meaningless, unless you have some evidence that the report is wrong in some way.

Spare us the hypocritical platitudes. I am sure you have exactly the same reaction to reports produced by the Fraser or Cato Institutes. The UN body doing these kinds of reports an ideologically motivated organization with an agenda. While being ideologically motivated does not automatically make someone wrong it does greatly lessen the likelyhood that said report will contain any useful insights. In this case, the blather suggesting that blocking pipelines is a suitable response to the problem is all I needed to hear to tell me that this particular report is pile of steaming garbage. Edited May 13, 2014 by TimG

[Topaz]

Have any of you ever watched the senate committee hearing on the First Nations? You should, you may learn many things. I've watched and heard the chiefs say that the Liberals and the Conservative have made many many promises to the FN but have never fulfilled them. Paul Martin's Accord would have put a dent into that promised but we all know Harper cancel it. Why is this government not doing too much, if anything, about the 1200 women missing or killed? If it was any city in Canada and women were missing would the feds do nothing???

[Argus]

Not to mention that we bear a lot of guilt over our treatment of our aboriginals.

You can bear that guilt by yourself, chum. I have no part of it.

[Argus]

WRONG! At least for the Kosovo war because the UN didn't approve and the US/Nato warmongers had to rely on Nato to get to slaughter people from 30,000'.

It ended the slaughter, actually.

Edited May 13, 2014 by Argus

[Argus]

Reports that come from people who have no particular axe to grind bear scrutiny without just assuming they are bad because they are not from the right wing wing dings you seem to follow.

There are no such reports put out by the UN. All of them are ideologically tainted.

[Keepitsimple]

You can bear that guilt by yourself, chum. I have no part of it.

Ditto.

[PIK]

Look bush_cheney, I'm not an American and I don't foolishly support my country when it does wrong. It's called honesty just in case you might want to try it with me. And so yes, Canada signed on to the phony war in Kosovo and Serbia and Canadian heads should roll at the Hague for that.

Not to mention that we bear a lot of guilt over our treatment of our aboriginals.

So I guess we're in agreement once again right? On the Kosovo war both the US and Canada and other Nato countries are guilty of waging a phony war and are guilty of murdering Serbs under their bombs.

Or would you like to spin 180 on that now?

Thank god we intervined in serbia, saves 100,000 or more lives. could have saved more in rwanda if chretien did not send a paper general to command that operation. And when are people going to have the courage to tell the natives , we are tired of the BS. The taxpayer has given enough money to the natives to look after everyone, but because of the chiefs and band councils, most have nothing while the few on top have it all. And why is that, why is the left so scare to call out the natives???

[PIK]

You can bear that guilt by yourself, chum. I have no part of it.

Same here.Time for them like everyone else to get off the asses and start giving something back to this country.,

Edited May 13, 2014 by PIK

[overthere]

I think the Harper Government, given a choice, would treat aboriginals the same as every other Canadian. You can see that in the changes that Harper has tried to make.

How then do you explain the $1.9 billion recently committed to aborginal education?

He didn't offer an extra nickel to 'other Canadians' for education.

[overthere]

You missed the word "most"? Shaun Atleo was forced to resign because he supported a constructive compromise so given that evidence it s far to say that working with most aboriginal groups is a waste of time.

That is a shameful statement Tim.

[Smallc]

How then do you explain the $1.9 billion recently committed to aborginal education?

He didn't offer an extra nickel to 'other Canadians' for education.

The education of other Canadians isn't his responsibility. Theirs shouldn't be either, but so is the system we have.

[Smallc]

That is a shameful statement Tim.

But it's the truth. People like Derek Nepinak have no interest in a workable solution, because they have nothing to gain from said solution.