August1991 Posted October 7, 2004 Report Share Posted October 7, 2004 Layton might as well join the Liberal Party because it is rather obvious that he is as much of a "trained seal/nobody" as the other Liberal members. To support the Liberals, this is what the NDP will be voting against: An arm's-length commission to ensure that employment-insurance premiums are used only for workers' benefit. Reduction of taxes for low and modest-income families. An independent parliamentary budget office to give advice on fiscal forecasts. A non-partisan citizens' assembly to study electoral and democratic reform, including proportional representation. A vote in the Commons on Canada's participation in the U.S.-led continental missile defence shield program. In fact, in the 'opening phrases' of this 'minority Parliamentary discussion', Layton seems about as adept as he was during the leaders' debate. Layton urged Martin and his Liberals to wake up to the plot. "What we see unfolding here is a dangerous game of driving cars towards each other at accelerating speed with the lights on in the dark." The guy is positively goofy. Delacourt Toronto Star Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neal.F. Posted October 7, 2004 Report Share Posted October 7, 2004 I would be happy to see the NDP disappear. A pox on the lot of them. If we want a socialist conscience in parliament ( I Don't) The Bloc is at least a more intelligent bunch. I would like to see more indepnedents, and say a small contingenet of Christian heritage party members. The Conservative party does little for social conservatives. If they ever formed a minority, they'd be forced to look to the CHP to prop them up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newfie Canadian Posted October 7, 2004 Report Share Posted October 7, 2004 Layton isn't totally dense. He knows that the sooner the government is brought down, the more likely the Conservatives will get stronger and the NDP will get weaker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted October 7, 2004 Report Share Posted October 7, 2004 To support the Liberals, this is what the NDP will be voting against: But throne speeches don't really mean anything. This one was just another litany of old Liberal promises. We're not talking legislation here, but platitudes. I expect Layton's not voting against the amendments or for the Liberals, but against Duceppe's and Harper's gratuitous grandstanding. On the other side, Harper's not really interested in getting his amendments through, but just wants to bring the House down. Duceppe: well, if he's willing to sacrifice his party's progressive values on the altar of decentralization, a pox on him. If we want a socialist conscience in parliament ( I Don't) The Bloc is at least a more intelligent bunch. Phaugh. How good a conscience can they be if they are willing to buddy up with the Cons? Opportunistic? Yes. Intelligent? That's debatable. I would like to see more independents, and say a small contingenet of Christian heritage party members. The Conservative party does little for social conservatives. If they ever formed a minority, they'd be forced to look to the CHP to prop them up. What % of the vote did the CHP get? How many MP's did they send to Ottawa? He knows that the sooner the government is brought down, the more likely the Conservatives will get stronger and the NDP will get weaker. I disagree. Having the Cons bring down the government would be good for the ND's and the Grits as they would be able to paint the Cons as rigid and uninterested in compromise, only in attaining power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cartman Posted October 7, 2004 Report Share Posted October 7, 2004 What % of the vote did the CHP get? How many MP's did they send to Ottawa? No MP's thank goodness. A pox on the lot of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neal.F. Posted October 7, 2004 Report Share Posted October 7, 2004 What % of the vote did the CHP get? How many MP's did they send to Ottawa? No MP's thank goodness. A pox on the lot of them. The CHP ran more candidates this time than at any other since their founding in 1988. Some candidates got 5-6% in their respective ridings, most notaly Dr. Joseph Grubb in Judy Sgro's riding. It would have been higher too, if there werent people still holding out the hope that the Conservatives would defend marriage from the homosexual assault, and innocent children from the knife and suction equipment of Henry Morgentaler (whom I will not dignify with the honorific "Dr") . There were also some who felt that to vote CHP endangered a CP chandidate from defeating a Liberal. The back pedalling that Mr Harper has done on social issues, and the way he has distanced himself from the pro-lifers in the CP caucus will just drive more people to do what they know they ought to, and wanted to. If the political correctness cancer continues to take root in the CP, to wit, the myth that if they become liberal lite, they can win, then don't be surprised to see some CP MPs sacrificed for their "radical" views. Maybe THEY might form the first CHP caucus in parliament. In my view, while the CHP is admirably the only party that stands for the principles tat gavev rise to a freer and fairer society than ever existed before, principles that are being sneered at by liberal elites, they are committing what i see as an error that will hold them back: The fact that membership in the party is reserved for Christians only, unlike the similar minded Family Coalition party of Ontario which espouses all the same values, but welcomes people of all faiths who share the bedrock pro-family, pro-life, and pro-private enterprise principles, and te desire for less government. A pox on all the mainstream parties who work on behalf of noisy radicals, and pick our pockets clean by accepting the matching funds of the Chretien election finance reform. Nobody should be forced via taxation to contribute to parties and the advancement of ideas they do not support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neal.F. Posted October 7, 2004 Report Share Posted October 7, 2004 He knows that the sooner the government is brought down, the more likely the Conservatives will get stronger and the NDP will get weaker. I disagree. Having the Cons bring down the government would be good for the ND's and the Grits as they would be able to paint the Cons as rigid and uninterested in compromise, only in attaining power. The Cons will not bring down the govt. now. After an election on June 28th, followed by BBQ season, I'm sure CP staff weren't working overtime opening all the envelopes of donations that must have been POURING in all summer /sarcasm off They will want a good few months of a fresh new fundraising campaign . I don't think they want to use recycled signs from the previous vote as the 2000 PC party did. The Bloc is sitting pretty with more seats than Lucien Bouchard got in 1993, They know that the odds are against duplicating that feat. Besides, they want the taxpayer dollars that JeanChretien so graciously offered them with his campaign finance reform. The NDP Don't want another vote either, since at this point the Liberals are dependent on them and will concede much. If the Libs get a majority or even better tossed, in a hypotehtical election, they go back to being 4th party and insignificance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blue Machine Posted October 8, 2004 Report Share Posted October 8, 2004 The NDP doesn't quite have the magic number of seats for the Liberals to hop in bed with them. But this parliament will be the most left leaning government in 30 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caesar Posted October 8, 2004 Report Share Posted October 8, 2004 Well if the Conservatives bring down the government by joining up with the Bloc (Quebec separatists); guess who will win a majority next time. Bad enough that Harper supported Bush and his ill advised, illegal invasion of Iraq. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neal.F. Posted October 8, 2004 Report Share Posted October 8, 2004 As for me, I'm only sorry that Harper backtracked from his initial support of the war ahgainst Terror, specifically Saddam Hussein. The motion presented by the Bloc would also appeal to many Conservative supporters who see the Feds as encroaching on provincial jurisdictions. It might even have opened up the Quebecois to look at the Conservatives more seriously. The Libs would benefit only in Metro Toronto and among terrified Quebec anglos who see the the Liberals as the only protection from those mean nasty separatists (Beat us humilaite us, rob us blind!!!!! Just as long as the PQ /BQ doesn't win!) The Tories need a breakthrough in Quebec. This would help... mostly at Bloc expense. Harper would have been demonstration he walks the talk to Newfoundlanders. remember his promise to turn over the oil reserves there to the province? Wouldn't Nova Scotia, NB, and PEI like the Feds to leave their fishing industries alone? No. the only reason the deal was cut was because nobody can afford, either finacially or politicall another election just yet, AND the people do not want one. Whoever caused it would pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slavik44 Posted October 8, 2004 Report Share Posted October 8, 2004 Layton isn't totally dense.He knows that the sooner the government is brought down, the more likely the Conservatives will get stronger and the NDP will get weaker. actually the sooner this government is brought down the sooner the libs get a majority government and he becomes irrelavent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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