Execution Botched By Heart Attack

[bush_cheney2004]

A doctor is on scene to pronounce the executed prisoner dead....or not. I guess some kind of medical protocol would be followed if the execution method fails and cannot be resumed immediately. "Hanged until dead" use to take care of that issue, but even that failed sometimes.

With "Old Sparky", they just gave the condemned more jolts until pronounced dead.

[Argus]

The Nazis also thought killing the Jews was vermin extermination. When you start to consider other human beings vermin, you've lost your own humanity.

Or you simply aren't afraid to make a basic, sound judgement.

If you knew this guy was going to move onto your street, what would you think? You'd be scared for your family, just as if a wild animal was loose. Why keep this animal caged for fifty years? Just end his existence. It's certainly just, and I have always embraced justice.

And frankly, comparing the execution of rapist murderers who bury their victims alive to the murder of innocent Jews is more than slightly contemptible.

[On Guard for Thee]

Or you simply aren't afraid to make a basic, sound judgement.

If you knew this guy was going to move onto your street, what would you think? You'd be scared for your family, just as if a wild animal was loose. Why keep this animal caged for fifty years? Just end his existence. It's certainly just, and I have always embraced justice.

And frankly, comparing the execution of rapist murderers who bury their victims alive to the murder of innocent Jews is more than slightly contemptible.

I think you miseed the point there. Concluding that someone is a vermin and using that conclusion as an excuse to kill them is contemptable as well. The big problem is that the courts, especially in the US have convicted far too many innocent, (and they are usually poor) people to where we should be comfortable with killing them. Anmd hey, it's a hell of a lot cheaper to jail them for 50 years if they are guilty to keep them off your street.

[bush_cheney2004]

Some states are thinking about reverting back to the "Electric Chair" and other historical methods of execution after having so many issues with lethal injection.

[bleeding heart]

But--and this is a perfectly serious question--what is the antipathy towards bullets? What's the issue? There are of course weapons and calibres which reduce the risk of botched executions to near-zero.

[bush_cheney2004]

Firing squads (i.e. bullets) have been used....the most famous being Gary Gilmore's "Let's Do It" execution event in Utah (1977) after the USSC ruled that the death penalty was constitutional. One of the issues with firing squads has to do with blank conscience rounds for one or more members of the squad. But anybody familiar with firearms recoil should be able to detect blank rounds.

Firing squads were once viewed as appropriate and honourable for military executions, but fell out of favor when more "clinical" methods were devised.

Gilmore became a cultural icon in death:

television comedies have referred to the Gilmore execution, specifically his final words, "Let's do it." The Seinfeld episode "The Jacket" originally included a reference to Gary Gilmore's final words, but the scene was changed during the final shoot. In the deleted scene, Jerry is trying to decide upon buying the titular jacket, when he remarks to Elaine: "Well, in the immortal words of Gary Gilmore 'Let's do it.'"

On the Roseanne episode "The Wedding," Roseanne's daughter Darlene is asked if she is ready to get married. Darlene responds with a similar punchline, "Well in the words of Gary Gilmore, 'Let's do it.'"

On NYPD Blue, Andy Sipowicz cracks "Let's do it," as his wedding is about to begin, then explains further, "That's what that guy in Utah said...'Let's do it.' He said that to the firing squad just before they whacked him."

Edited May 2, 2014 by bush_cheney2004

[bleeding heart]

That rings a bell, yeah.

But I'm still not sure why firearms can't be used. (The blank conscience round is unnneccessary in any case, since as it is currently, the agent or agents are unambiguous; there is no blank conscience injection.)

Perhaps it summons images of less, shall we say, accountable governments' and legal systems' methods--the shot to the back of the head seems brutal (it is, of course, but no moreso than many other methods). But that's pure optics, divorced from logic altogether.

Edited May 2, 2014 by bleeding heart

[bush_cheney2004]

Sensibilities about such things change over time within and across cultures. Beheadings use to be all the rage, and are still considered humane and holy by many Muslims. Lethal injection does have a disarming, medical flair to it, but not much drama. Many changes obviously were made to remove any semblance of public spectacle from the event.

[Argus]

I think you miseed the point there. Concluding that someone is a vermin and using that conclusion as an excuse to kill them is contemptable as well.

Not when they ARE vermin.

[bush_cheney2004]

Despite all the shocked and dismayed responses here about the death penalty....

Majority of Canadians support the death penalty: poll

A new Angus Reid poll released Wednesday, suggests that 63 per cent of Canadians are in favour of reinstating the death penalty.

In particular, Canadians believe capital punishment would be a determent to potential murders and that would save taxpayers the costs associated with keeping our most notorious prisoners locked-up.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/canada-politics/majority-canadians-support-death-penalty-poll-180253516.html

[guyser]

Majority of Canadians support the death penalty: poll

^ should read " I didnt read my link"

Nice try though.

[On Guard for Thee]

Despite all the shocked and dismayed responses here about the death penalty....

Majority of Canadians support the death penalty: poll

A new Angus Reid poll released Wednesday, suggests that 63 per cent of Canadians are in favour of reinstating the death penalty.

In particular, Canadians believe capital punishment would be a determent to potential murders and that would save taxpayers the costs associated with keeping our most notorious prisoners locked-up.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/canada-politics/majority-canadians-support-death-penalty-poll-180253516.html

Boy if they believe those 2 things they need educatin' One just need look at what goes on south of the border. 65 times the gun murder rate and the cost of the process to eventually kill a criminal is huge compared to just keeping them locked up.

[guyser]

Boy if they believe those 2 things they need educatin' One just need look at what goes on south of the border. 65 times the gun murder rate and the cost of the process to eventually kill a criminal is huge compared to just keeping them locked up.

They dont.

Move on, too laughable to bother with

Edited May 2, 2014 by Guyser2

[On Guard for Thee]

Not when they ARE vermin.

And as was pointed out, the Nazi's also concluded that Jews were vermin. Perhaps we should just stick to eradicating the 4 legged type of vermin.

[bush_cheney2004]

And as was pointed out, the Nazi's also concluded that Jews were vermin. Perhaps we should just stick to eradicating the 4 legged type of vermin.

Why can't we do both ? The animal rights folks would tell you to leave the four legged ones alone. Pound dogs and cats get a lot more sympathy than convicted rapists and murderers.

[overthere]

The Chinese have made the execution process efficient and quick. Esecutions for economic crimes or drug trafficking are usually done by injection. They have execution vans set up to take care of busy seasons, overflow and groups. . Murderers get executed by firing squad or a single bullet to the back of the head. Nobody lingers long on death row, sentences happen soon after conviction.

If the convicted is shot, his family gets a bill for the bullets.

[Shady]

This once again brings up the leftist paradox. It's apparently ok to kill unborn babies, but not serial rapists and murderers. Cause whoa, slow down, we might be doing the wrong thing.

[Argus]

And as was pointed out, the Nazi's also concluded that Jews were vermin. Perhaps we should just stick to eradicating the 4 legged type of vermin.

The improper judgement of Nazis does not imply or suggest my judgement is equally improper.

[guyser]

This once again brings up the leftist paradox. It's apparently ok to kill unborn babies, but not serial rapists and murderers. Cause whoa, slow down, we might be doing the wrong thing.

Someone has a great need for a dictionary, not to mention remedial lessons in english.

Cause whoa...killing is punishable by law.

a leftist paradox? Is a righty paradox saying dumb things that are contradictory?

Always fun to read silly stuff.

[bush_cheney2004]

This once again brings up the leftist paradox. It's apparently ok to kill unborn babies, but not serial rapists and murderers. Cause whoa, slow down, we might be doing the wrong thing.

True dat....but I offer a solution to satisfy all involved: Hereafter, such executions for heinous crimes shall be known as retroactive abortions.

[guyser]

Oh good , someone else doubled down on shady silliness.

How...cute. Misinformed, dumb, but cute.

Awww....you two ....

[Wilber]

Yes, DNA evidence is the safe guard we have now that we didn't have before. The reason to NOT execute has been removed.

If we had the death penalty here, I'd volunteer right away. I'd consider it an honor and a duty to remove these monsters from the planet.

DNA is another form on evidence and is not required to convict someone of a crime.

[Bryan]

DNA is another form on evidence and is not required to convict someone of a crime.

It's a standard you can use to determine if the death penalty is imposed.

[Bryan]

This once again brings up the leftist paradox. It's apparently ok to kill unborn babies, but not serial rapists and murderers. Cause whoa, slow down, we might be doing the wrong thing.

It's the lunacy of the left in a nutshell: Innocent? Kill 'em, it's our RIGHT!!!. Guilty? No! Killing is wrong!

[On Guard for Thee]

This once again brings up the leftist paradox. It's apparently ok to kill unborn babies, but not serial rapists and murderers. Cause whoa, slow down, we might be doing the wrong thing.

So you right wingers just kill born babies?