The Purity of Aboriginal Blood? Who cares?

Smallc · April 21, 2014

Now you don't want her raising children? You have taken a giant leap into ridiculous conclusions.

There are already too many people with racist ideas. We don't allow white supremacists to keep their children.

WestCoastRunner · April 21, 2014

There are already too many people with racist ideas. We don't allow white supremacists to keep their children.

Now you are comparing her to a white supremacist, when all she wants to do is make babies with a native man, and I quote "I want them to grow up strong and rooted in their culture and to be surrounded by a loving, traditional First Nations family". What is wrong with that statement?

Smallc · April 21, 2014

I have no problem with the cultural aspect or things, I have a problem with the fact that her whole argument is based on the pure was of blood. It's disgusting, and I don't have enough white guilt to see it any other way.

WestCoastRunner · April 21, 2014

I have no problem with the cultural aspect or things, I have a problem with the fact that her whole argument is based on the pure was of blood. It's disgusting, and I don't have enough white guilt to see it any other way.

Well, that is something you have to live with.

Smallc · April 21, 2014

And I can dispute it if I want.

WestCoastRunner · April 21, 2014

And I can dispute it if I want.

Of course you can.

kimmy · April 22, 2014

“It’s absolutely vital for us to actively be thinking of keeping our bloodline strong, within all aspects of our life,” said artist Sarain Fox (Ojibwa from Batchewana First Nation).

“That means only dating native, and it means making the decision to only have children with another indigenous person. I think these are things we have an obligation to consider.”

When white people talk about "preserving their bloodlines" they're fitted for white hoods and swastikas, but these people are diversity heroes. It's totally different, because... because...

-k

Big Guy · April 22, 2014

To use blood lines as a rationalization for any benefit or derision is just plain silly. Is the "full blooded" more entitled than the 1/2? What about the 1/4 and the 1/8? At what point does the blood line become so diluted that the person no longer has that ethnicity, heritage or biological essence of the evaluating group?

Wherever the issue of blood purity has become an issue to a point of passion then the letting of blood usually follows.

Silly, silly, silly!!

April 22, 2014

When white people talk about "preserving their bloodlines" they're fitted for white hoods and swastikas, but these people are diversity heroes. It's totally different, because... because...

-k

I suppose it's because their bloodline is more at risk than ours.

I personally don't believe in keeping any bloodline strong. If dinosaurs can go extinct so can cultures and languages. Eventually we're all gonna look alike anyway.

eyeball · April 22, 2014

Ah, the FUBAR times we live in, what would we do without them?

I suppose there will come a time when we can all just regard ourselves as full blooded aboriginal Earthlings but probably not until we've been invaded by Martians and enslaved. That said...

Who cares about your ancestry or your race, or, when it comes to love and personal interactions, even your culture? People's worth shouldn't be judged on such things. We're all human beings.

I think national governments must be the most concerned. And corporations of course, without nations they wouldn't have the means to play their shell games with their loot. The more divided we are/remain, along any lines, the easier it is to keep us conquered.

WestCoastRunner · April 22, 2014

When white people talk about "preserving their bloodlines" they're fitted for white hoods and swastikas, but these people are diversity heroes. It's totally different, because... because...

-k

There is a huge difference between white supremacists and white folks choosing a white partner. Plenty of people choose to marry someone of their own race, black people, east indians, etc. What exactly is the problem that she can't choose a male native man to father her children. I don't get the issue here.

kimmy · April 22, 2014

There is a huge difference between white supremacists and white folks choosing a white partner. Plenty of people choose to marry someone of their own race, black people, east indians, etc. What exactly is the problem that she can't choose a male native man to father her children. I don't get the issue here.

I have no issue at all with people choosing their partner based on their personal preferences. I wouldn't have it any other way.

In the snippet I quoted above, she's clearly talking about something beyond personal preference. She's suggesting aboriginal people have a duty or obligation to marry within their race to keep their bloodlines "pure" and preserve their culture and distinctive ethnicity. Aside from the particular skin tone, there's no difference between what this woman is saying and what the people who worry about "the extinction of the white race" are saying.

A few years ago, some people on this forum wrote all kinds of terrible things about me when I said that all other things being equal, I'd like to have children who carry my blonde hair and blue eyes on to the next generation.

-k

cybercoma · April 22, 2014

My fiancée is aboriginal, and I find the idea of this pretty offensive. Dating based on race? Attitudes like this really don't belong in 2014. This is similar to the ideas put forward by the Nazis in relation to blood purity and the worth of individuals.

Who cares about your ancestry or your race, or, when it comes to love and personal interactions, even your culture? People's worth shouldn't be judged on such things. We're all human beings.

http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/#!/content/1.2615016

it's easy to say "who cares about race and culture" when your race and culture is the reference group for all others.

April 22, 2014

There is a huge difference between white supremacists and white folks choosing a white partner. Plenty of people choose to marry someone of their own race, black people, east indians, etc. What exactly is the problem that she can't choose a male native man to father her children. I don't get the issue here.

Whilst I agree entirely with your post, I have to say, the post you quoted didn't mention marrying a partner. It said "talk about "preserving their bloodlines".

You could probably end up getting banned from Twitter.

Could you imagine setting up group of white folks with the goal of preserving bloodlines on a Canadian Unversity campus?

Edited April 22, 2014 by bcsapper

WestCoastRunner · April 22, 2014

She's suggesting aboriginal people have a duty or obligation to marry within their race to keep their bloodlines "pure" and preserve their culture and distinctive ethnicity. Aside from the particular skin tone, there's no difference between what this woman is saying and what the people who worry about "the extinction of the white race" are saying.

A few years ago, some people on this forum wrote all kinds of terrible things about me when I said that all other things being equal, I'd like to have children who carry my blonde hair and blue eyes on to the next generation.

-k

I see no reason why she shouldn't have the choice to have her children fathered by a native man in order to preserve her culture and distinctive ethnicity. That is her choice and if she so chooses, why can't she? Who is she insulting by her choices?

WestCoastRunner · April 22, 2014

Whilst I agree entirely with your post, I have to say, the post you quoted didn't mention marrying a partner. It said "talk about "preserving their bloodlines".

You could probably end up getting banned from Twitter.

Could you imagine setting up group of white folks with the goal of preserving bloodlines on a Canadian Unversity campus?

How about a canadian christian university. We already have that.

cybercoma · April 22, 2014

When white people talk about "preserving their bloodlines" they're fitted for white hoods and swastikas, but these people are diversity heroes. It's totally different, because... because...

-k

because white "culture" is the one that our society is built upon and aboriginals and other racial and ethnic minorities are Othered by it? Because those who say they're proud of their white heritage aren't known for stopping there and are more generally interested in oppressing others than just being proud of who they are? Because as a white person it's not terribly difficult to find a other white person to be with?

cybercoma · April 22, 2014

I suppose it's because their bloodline is more at risk than ours.

I personally don't believe in keeping any bloodline strong. If dinosaurs can go extinct so can cultures and languages. Eventually we're all gonna look alike anyway.

it's not just their blood; it's their culture, language, and heritage that's going extinct. I don't know a single white person in Canada that has to worry about that, despite what some lunatics will claim about immigrants.

cybercoma · April 22, 2014

I have no issue at all with people choosing their partner based on their personal preferences. I wouldn't have it any other way.

In the snippet I quoted above, she's clearly talking about something beyond personal preference. She's suggesting aboriginal people have a duty or obligation to marry within their race to keep their bloodlines "pure" and preserve their culture and distinctive ethnicity. Aside from the particular skin tone, there's no difference between what this woman is saying and what the people who worry about "the extinction of the white race" are saying.

A few years ago, some people on this forum wrote all kinds of terrible things about me when I said that all other things being equal, I'd like to have children who carry my blonde hair and blue eyes on to the next generation.

-k

they have to keep their bloodlines pure because otherwise they won't be recognized as "Indians" by law. It's the legislation that's promoting the blood talk Edited April 22, 2014 by cybercoma

April 22, 2014

How about a canadian christian university. We already have that.

I would imagine the response would be the same. There are an awful lot of non-white christians out there.

However, I have to admit I was thinking more of SFU or UBC. I would be able to hear the outrage in Alberta.

April 22, 2014

it's not just their blood; it's their culture, language, and heritage that's going extinct. I don't know a single white person in Canada that has to worry about that, despite what some lunatics will claim about immigrants.

I know. I said as much. It's only the luck of the birth canal draw that I speak a language that seems to have legs. It will die eventually, I suppose. All cultures and languages fade and die eventually. I just don't see it as a bad (or good) thing. Just inevitable.

WestCoastRunner · April 22, 2014

Because as a white person it's not terribly difficult to find a other white person to be with?

This is why she says "My search for love has been a complex terrain to tread, but I feel that I’m now on the right path to ensure that my future generations are strong in their indigenous roots and grounding — even if that means I have to take longer to find love than most."

She feels so strongly about her cultural and indigenous roots, who the heck are we to deny her that cultural identity she wants to foster in her future family.

cybercoma · April 22, 2014

It's fine to shrug and say it's inevitable when your culture is the dominant one. If yours was the one dying, you would do what you could to preserve it.

Edited April 22, 2014 by cybercoma

kimmy · April 22, 2014

I see no reason why she shouldn't have the choice to have her children fathered by a native man in order to preserve her culture and distinctive ethnicity. That is her choice and if she so chooses, why can't she? Who is she insulting by her choices?

Again, she's not simply stating a personal preference, she's suggesting a duty.

they have to keep their bloodlines pure because otherwise they won't be recognized as "Indians" by law. It's the legislation that's promoting the blood talk

No, it's not simply about getting a treaty card for her kids. She's suggesting an intrinsic value in "race".

-k

cybercoma · April 22, 2014

This is why she says "My search for love has been a complex terrain to tread, but I feel that I’m now on the right path to ensure that my future generations are strong in their indigenous roots and grounding — even if that means I have to take longer to find love than most."

She feels so strongly about her cultural and indigenous roots, who the heck are we to deny her that cultural identity she wants to foster in her future family.

she's literally Hitler for trying to preserve her culture that Europeans have been trying to eradicate. She should just shut up and integrate into the dominant culture and put her heritage behind her,