Argus Posted September 22, 2015 Author Report Posted September 22, 2015 (edited) Is this willful blindness or a "no true Scotsman" thing? You forgot the part where you're also complaining about all the other drivers who are speeding at 100K. That's what I'm talking about. I'm not complaining about the other drivers driving 100k. I'm complaining about the cops letting them drive 100k, and then occasionally stirring themselves to pull the odd person over before going back to sleep. What I would like to see is a more active moderation. I don't mean suspending or banning people, but simply deleting posts outright when they're considered to be going against the site's rules on insults and respectful dialogue. This is done sometimes now, but it needs to be done much more often and in a predictable fashion so people come to understand what is and is not acceptable conduct. Edited September 22, 2015 by Argus "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
drummindiver Posted September 22, 2015 Report Posted September 22, 2015 I'm not complaining about the other drivers driving 100k. I'm complaining about the cops letting them drive 100k, and then occasionally stirring themselves to pull the odd person over before going back to sleep. What I would like to see is a more active moderation. I don't mean suspending or banning people, but simply deleting posts outright when they're considered to be going against the site's rules on insults and respectful dialogue. This is done sometimes now, but it needs to be done much more often and in a predictable fashion so people come to understand what is and is not acceptable conduct. Have to disagree with you here. Given our moderators political leanings, there would be a considerable amount of the right's post being deleted, while the left are given their normal leeway. I like the moderation. They don't care that everyone knows they are bias, so at least it's easy to accept when they do bias things.
Argus Posted September 22, 2015 Author Report Posted September 22, 2015 Have to disagree with you here. Given our moderators political leanings, there would be a considerable amount of the right's post being deleted, while the left are given their normal leeway. I like the moderation. They don't care that everyone knows they are bias, so at least it's easy to accept when they do bias things. Bias also means you get suspended more often, you know. Better to have a post deleted, and then repost it with a change in tone. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted September 23, 2015 Report Posted September 23, 2015 Have to disagree with you here. Given our moderators political leanings, there would be a considerable amount of the right's post being deleted, while the left are given their normal leeway. I like the moderation. They don't care that everyone knows they are bias, so at least it's easy to accept when they do bias things. If you've had posts deleted, it's probably not just because you are right wing.
drummindiver Posted September 23, 2015 Report Posted September 23, 2015 If you've had posts deleted, it's probably not just because you are right wing. Oh. What would be the reason then?
On Guard for Thee Posted September 23, 2015 Report Posted September 23, 2015 Oh. What would be the reason then? Oh, probably something to do with forum rules would be my guess.
drummindiver Posted September 23, 2015 Report Posted September 23, 2015 Oh, probably something to do with forum rules would be my guess. Oh, what forum rules would they be?
On Guard for Thee Posted September 23, 2015 Report Posted September 23, 2015 Oh, what forum rules would they be? I have no idea what you had deleted, so you'll have to figure that one out for yourself.
drummindiver Posted September 23, 2015 Report Posted September 23, 2015 I have no idea what you had deleted, so you'll have to figure that one out for yourself. Never said I had any deleted. Why would you think I had?
On Guard for Thee Posted September 23, 2015 Report Posted September 23, 2015 Never said I had any deleted. Why would you think I had? You were complaining about right wing posts getting deleted, so I just assumed.
drummindiver Posted September 23, 2015 Report Posted September 23, 2015 (edited) You were complaining about right wing posts getting deleted, so I just assumed. There you go. Assuming. Thinking I was complaining. If you read it, it clearly stated I like the moderation. Hard to be right when you're left, isn't it? Edited September 23, 2015 by drummindiver
On Guard for Thee Posted September 23, 2015 Report Posted September 23, 2015 There you go. Assuming. Thinking I was complaining. If you read it, it clearly stated I like the moderation. Hard to be right when you're left, isn't it? I think you have that rejoinder a little mixed up. Should be when you're right you're often wrong.
drummindiver Posted September 23, 2015 Report Posted September 23, 2015 lol I think you have that rejoinder a little mixed up. Should be when you're right you're often wrong. lol nope. Mine is funny. Yours makes no sense.
Charles Anthony Posted September 24, 2015 Report Posted September 24, 2015 Bias also means you get suspended more often, you know. Better to have a post deleted, and then repost it with a change in tone. I agree but that is a lot of work for mod staff sometimes. Sometimes we get swamped and we can not send everybody a message with a copy of the post we took down. When we are swamped with an increase in trolling, our tolerance drops. If there is a personal attack snuck into the mix, we nix it due to the malintention demonstrated by the poster. It is a pity when the post-minus-the-snark addresses the discussion but C'est la vie! I am not surprised that you only perceive bias. If all you have is a hammer, how can you possibly screw something up?? Oh. What would be the reason then? Prejudice and or faith cloud perception. Prejudices lead folks to portray the world with only 2 sides. Folks will perceive moderator bias because most trolling is evenly spread amongst the membership. Every moderator intervention will appear-to-you to be for/against your opinions --- as opposed to for/against your posting decorum. The odds of a moderator intervention NOT distressing at least 1 person's sensitivities is slim. Most posts are taken down because they are clearly just snarky drive-bys that invariably lead to thread drift. If a post of yours is taken down, feel free to start a new thread. Instead of viewing the world thusly: "I am being censored!!!!" perhaps it is time to consider: "I have an opportunity to start a NEW THREAD on this micro-issue that concerns me!!! Hoooray!!! I am sooooo lucky! I can bring this micro-issue to the top of the forum list and garner more attention!" However, we get it: starting a new thread does NOT perpetuate thread drift. We get that some of you intend to create thread drift. ... a considerable amount of the right's post being deleted, while the left are given ... Oh, I get it now! Your opinions are so vastly different that they require and must fall into 1 of only 2 binary labels! It all makes sense! There can ONLY be a right side to a discussion since all other disagreeing sides must be sinister. We do not have time for a meeting of the flat earth society. << Où sont mes amis ? Ils sont ici, ils sont ici... >>
drummindiver Posted September 24, 2015 Report Posted September 24, 2015 I agree but that is a lot of work for mod staff sometimes. Sometimes we get swamped and we can not send everybody a message with a copy of the post we took down. When we are swamped with an increase in trolling, our tolerance drops. If there is a personal attack snuck into the mix, we nix it due to the malintention demonstrated by the poster. It is a pity when the post-minus-the-snark addresses the discussion but C'est la vie! I am not surprised that you only perceive bias. If all you have is a hammer, how can you possibly screw something up?? Prejudice and or faith cloud perception. Prejudices lead folks to portray the world with only 2 sides. Folks will perceive moderator bias because most trolling is evenly spread amongst the membership. Every moderator intervention will appear-to-you to be for/against your opinions --- as opposed to for/against your posting decorum. The odds of a moderator intervention NOT distressing at least 1 person's sensitivities is slim. Most posts are taken down because they are clearly just snarky drive-bys that invariably lead to thread drift. If a post of yours is taken down, feel free to start a new thread. Instead of viewing the world thusly: "I am being censored!!!!" perhaps it is time to consider: "I have an opportunity to start a NEW THREAD on this micro-issue that concerns me!!! Hoooray!!! I am sooooo lucky! I can bring this micro-issue to the top of the forum list and garner more attention!" However, we get it: starting a new thread does NOT perpetuate thread drift. We get that some of you intend to create thread drift. Oh, I get it now! Your opinions are so vastly different that they require and must fall into 1 of only 2 binary labels! It all makes sense! There can ONLY be a right side to a discussion since all other disagreeing sides must be sinister. lol What prattle. If you had read my post, you would know I never specified my posts, and I clearly stated I like the moderation. There is no perception of bias, you have clearly stated your support of a certain leftist ideology, in fact fairly recently. Clearly, your reading comprehension is at the level of Alex Johnstone's.
Canada_First Posted September 24, 2015 Report Posted September 24, 2015 You were complaining about right wing posts getting deleted, so I just assumed.Both mods are rabid left wingers. What do you expect? Of course they will give left wing posters more leeway. I don't see any left wing posters getting threatened with banning yet I am threatened with banning constantly.I'm an extreme right winger. Am xenophobic and view almost any immigration as an attack on our sovereignty. I don't like anyone who looks different from me or has different religious beliefs that are dangerous. When I honestly posy my opinions my posts are taken down and am threatened with being banned. So I now post a watered down version or avoid immigration threads altogether. I've watched our cities go from mostly white to mostly non white. I don't like that. Anyways. I don't know why Greg would appoint two rabid lefties as mods. Why not some balance? I have nothing against these guys personally. They seem like nice guys. However I think it's impossible to say they're not biased. Even just a little bit. It's human nature. I hope you don't take this the wrong way mods. Just posting my opinion.
On Guard for Thee Posted September 24, 2015 Report Posted September 24, 2015 (edited) Both mods are rabid left wingers. What do you expect? ---SNIP--- I hope you don't take this the wrong way mods. Just posting my opinion. And you don't see how that particular post is not only biased, but racist as well as bigoted? No wonder you get the odd one banned. Edited September 24, 2015 by Charles Anthony [---SNIP---]
Canada_First Posted September 24, 2015 Report Posted September 24, 2015 And you don't see how that particular post is not only biased, but racist as well as bigoted? No wonder you get the odd one banned.I'm not a bigot. A bigot is someone who doesn't like what he doesn't understand or out of ignorance. I understand them I just don't like them. Have anything in common with them and don't think my lifestyle is able to be intertwined. I don't hate anyone personally. I wouldn't be mean to anyone.I just don't see what I could possibly have in common with a family who lived in uncivilized areas before coming to Canada. Where often times they continue to act barbaric and or backward. Just wanted to clarify. I'm not trying to act inflammatory or offensive.
On Guard for Thee Posted September 24, 2015 Report Posted September 24, 2015 I'm not a bigot. A bigot is someone who doesn't like what he doesn't understand or out of ignorance. I understand them I just don't like them. Have anything in common with them and don't think my lifestyle is able to be intertwined. I don't hate anyone personally. I wouldn't be mean to anyone. I just don't see what I could possibly have in common with a family who lived in uncivilized areas before coming to Canada. Where often times they continue to act barbaric and or backward. Just wanted to clarify. I'm not trying to act inflammatory or offensive. THEM? Whoever them is sounds to me like you have grouped a lot of people who may be a bit different than you, and conveniently? decided you don't like them. Perhaps a little of world travel may be a tonic for that kind of bigotry.
Canada_First Posted September 24, 2015 Report Posted September 24, 2015 THEM? Whoever them is sounds to me like you have grouped a lot of people who may be a bit different than you, and conveniently? decided you don't like them. Perhaps a little of world travel may be a tonic for that kind of bigotry.I'm not a bigot. I've traveled quite a bit. I come to my conclusion through experience. I prefer to live near my own sort. Why is that bad? I don't understand why the left us trying to force everyone to live together.
poochy Posted September 24, 2015 Report Posted September 24, 2015 And you don't see how that particular post is not only biased, but racist as well as bigoted? No wonder you get the odd one banned. Im not defending the poster you replied to, i don't agree with that person, but, you are not the judge, but you and some others here freely judge and convict, and often, you do this when you presume or imagine the opinions of others, mostly just to 'win' an argument that you can't otherwise honestly fight. O but the rest of us rabble dare not point out the utter stupidity or outright lies of others, that just isn't acceptable. Well, neither should be if the other isn't, and either the powers that be can't see it, or agree with the tactics you and a few others employ. For example when you comment on a status update and claim the government made a grab for votes with the Terry Fox Foundation when in fact they were invited, well, that makes you ignorant, or a liar, but, im not really allowed to say that. But call someone a racist for objecting to a niqab, even if they provide a good non racist argument for objecting, well that's no problem. So maybe you're unscrupulous, or you think all is fair in politics, and maybe the moderators agree with you, but i don't, and others here don't, and if you can judge who is a racist, i can certainly judge you as a liar. Meanwhile, while the the moderators are protecting some of you from criticism while allowing others to be called the worst thing you can call someone, a racist, there is a far left (insert word im not allowed to use) being allowed to spam the status updates without ever making a post, while they claim to want better debates. There is so much logical inconsistency in that i can't help but question the truthfulness of what they really want, but, in the end I guess it doesn't matter, we can all leave, and perhaps should, let this be another rabble clone.
On Guard for Thee Posted September 24, 2015 Report Posted September 24, 2015 (edited) Im not defending the poster ... ---SNIP--- ... we can all leave, and perhaps should, let this be another rabble clone. Well you have already admitted you are xenophobic. Maybe you should start there. Edited September 24, 2015 by Charles Anthony [---SNIP---]
drummindiver Posted September 24, 2015 Report Posted September 24, 2015 (edited) THEM? Whoever them is sounds to me like you have grouped a lot of people who may be a bit different than you, and conveniently? decided you don't like them. Perhaps a little of world travel may be a tonic for that kind of bigotry.d Meanwhile, you are a bigot. damn muricans Edited September 24, 2015 by drummindiver
Michael Hardner Posted September 24, 2015 Report Posted September 24, 2015 Meanwhile, while the the moderators are protecting some of you from criticism while allowing others to be called the worst thing you can call someone, a racist, there is a far left (insert word im not allowed to use) being allowed to spam the status updates without ever making a post, while they claim to want better debates. Actually, use of the word as you're describing is NOT allowed. We don't see everything, so if you want action you have to report it clearly and plainly. Somebody yesterday claimed bias in a message to me because I didn't act on a post that I hadn't seen. Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
cybercoma Posted September 24, 2015 Report Posted September 24, 2015 It all makes sense! There can ONLY be a right side to a discussion since all other disagreeing sides must be sinister.Sinister coming from the latin word for "left."
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