WestCoastRunner Posted June 20, 2015 Report Posted June 20, 2015 We are allowed to be critical of the actions of others regardless of what race they happen to be. There is a difference between critical and absolutely racism. I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 20, 2015 Report Posted June 20, 2015 Your moderation team? Calling people out for who they are isn't a personal attack. So would it be OK to call abortion rights advocates "baby killers" ? Economics trumps Virtue.
WestCoastRunner Posted June 20, 2015 Report Posted June 20, 2015 So would it be OK to call abortion rights advocates "baby killers" ? Racism is racism. nice try. I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
poochy Posted June 20, 2015 Report Posted June 20, 2015 Jaycee, including me and others are tired of posters hiding behind bs, when clearly they are racist. And we are calling it like it is. And if we get suspended, then ok, that's the way it is. I don't think you have the abilities required to make that determination, but since you so clearly do, please name names. Yes, if you wish to throw around baseless insults at people, people who simply don't buy your version of reality (i know, how could we not agree with you?) then hopefully you will also be banned. If you can't intelligently discuss a topic and defend you're position without constantly hurling smears at people you might want to reconsider your opinion.
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 20, 2015 Report Posted June 20, 2015 Racism is racism. nice try. So is that a yes ? The answer is no...as it violates forum rules. No exceptions....for any group or cause. Economics trumps Virtue.
WestCoastRunner Posted June 20, 2015 Report Posted June 20, 2015 (edited) I don't think you have the abilities required to make that determination, but since you so clearly do, please name names. Yes, if you wish to throw around baseless insults at people, people who simply don't buy your version of reality (i know, how could we not agree with you?) then hopefully you will also be banned. If you can't intelligently discuss a topic and defend you're position without constantly hurling smears at people you might want to reconsider your opinion. I'm actually trying to intelligently discuss this but of course that can't happen without the real reasons as to why Jaycee was suspended. I am disturbed by her suspension and I think we should know why. Edited June 20, 2015 by WestCoastRunner I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 20, 2015 Report Posted June 20, 2015 (edited) I'm actually trying to intelligently discuss this but of course that can't happen without the real reasons as to why Jaycee was suspended. I am disturbed by her suspension and I think we should know why. What's the big deal...many of us have been suspended (welcome to zee kooler). Do the crime...do the time. Edited June 20, 2015 by bush_cheney2004 Economics trumps Virtue.
WestCoastRunner Posted June 20, 2015 Report Posted June 20, 2015 (edited) What's the big deal...many of us have been suspended (welcome to zee kooler). Do the crime...do the time. The big deal is that she was probably suspended for calling out posters who were racist and she probably wasn't wrong. Edited June 20, 2015 by WestCoastRunner I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Smallc Posted June 20, 2015 Report Posted June 20, 2015 Someone posting as a racist and being called out for it is not a personal attack. What if they get called racist when they're not?
WestCoastRunner Posted June 20, 2015 Report Posted June 20, 2015 What if they get called racist when they're not? What if they are? I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 20, 2015 Report Posted June 20, 2015 The big deal is that she was probably suspended for calling out posters who were racist and she probably wasn't wrong. Doesn't matter...we are not permitted to do that here. Personal attacks are verbotten. Economics trumps Virtue.
Smallc Posted June 20, 2015 Report Posted June 20, 2015 What if they are? Who makes that determination?
WestCoastRunner Posted June 20, 2015 Report Posted June 20, 2015 Doesn't matter...we are not permitted to do that here. Personal attacks are verbotten. What if it's not a personal attack. It's calling out a poster for racism. Calling someone out for posting a racist post is not a personal attack. I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
WestCoastRunner Posted June 20, 2015 Report Posted June 20, 2015 (edited) Who makes that determination? Well, apparently the mods do. Look, racism needs to be called out for what it is! Period! Full stop!!! Edited June 20, 2015 by WestCoastRunner I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 20, 2015 Report Posted June 20, 2015 (edited) What if it's not a personal attack. It's calling out a poster for racism. Calling someone out for posting a racist post is not a personal attack. Yes it is...at several levels. Nobody here is an expert on "racists" anyway....Buffy slayed vampires...not racists. Ideas can be called out as racism...not members. Edited June 20, 2015 by bush_cheney2004 Economics trumps Virtue.
WestCoastRunner Posted June 20, 2015 Report Posted June 20, 2015 (edited) Yes it is...at several levels. Nobody here is an expert on "racists" anyway....Buffy slayed vampires...not racists. Ideas can be called out as racism...not members. So if no one is an expert, why was jaycee suspended? Seems a bit heavy handed to me. Especially for as long as she was. I don't think anyone here would agree with that suspension. Edited June 20, 2015 by WestCoastRunner I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 20, 2015 Report Posted June 20, 2015 So if no one is an expert, why was jaycee suspended? Seems a bit heavy handed to me. Especially for as long as she was. I don't think anyone here would agree with that suspension. Not relevant if it was a personal attack in violation of forum rules. The exact nature of the attack is secondary. Could have just as easily been "rapist", or "sexist", or "Nazi". Economics trumps Virtue.
Smallc Posted June 20, 2015 Report Posted June 20, 2015 So if no one is an expert, why was jaycee suspended? Seems a bit heavy handed to me. Especially for as long as she was. I don't think anyone here would agree with that suspension. I do. That proves you wrong.
Canada_First Posted June 20, 2015 Report Posted June 20, 2015 Your moderation team? Calling people out for who they are isn't a personal attack. NOt mine, ours. As in our community here, collective ownership. Just like our PM. Do I own the PM? No but he' still our PM. Your idea of what's racist may be different from what the moderation team deems to be racist.
Canada_First Posted June 20, 2015 Report Posted June 20, 2015 What if they are? Being a racist is not illegal. We are all free to have any attitudes we wish.
Canada_First Posted June 20, 2015 Report Posted June 20, 2015 I'm actually trying to intelligently discuss this but of course that can't happen without the real reasons as to why Jaycee was suspended. I am disturbed by her suspension and I think we should know why. NO, we should not know why. The reason why is between our moderation team and the person who faced the discipline.
poochy Posted June 20, 2015 Report Posted June 20, 2015 I do. That proves you wrong. As do I, but i guess we must be wrong since she does not agree.
Bob Macadoo Posted June 20, 2015 Report Posted June 20, 2015 (edited) Right, and you are one of the moderators. ....oh you still haven't figured that out.......MH.....calls it facilitating.......BC/CA calls it shit disturbing.......it's all about the debate Edited June 20, 2015 by Bob Macadoo
msj Posted June 20, 2015 Report Posted June 20, 2015 I do. That proves you wrong. I also agree. As BC_2004 has rightly pointed out: call out the ideas as racist and ignore making it personal about the member. Also report it if it is racist so CA can deal with it. This is not rocket science and yet here we are in multiple threads about this basic stuff. If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
drummindiver Posted June 20, 2015 Report Posted June 20, 2015 Oh for crying out loud. They cut her off at the knees while she was defending vulnerable groups. Seriously,did she really offend anyone for calling them out for their racist beliefs. It is simply disturbing to me that they gave her a suspension. She was calling anybody who didn't agree with her racist. How is that promoting open dialogue?
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