Derek 2.0 Posted June 17, 2014 Report Posted June 17, 2014 Then why is CUPE standing side by side with the BCTF. I'll tell you why. It's called solidarity. We look out for each other against the corporatists who want to privatize everything. I was happy to see many NDP MLAs speak out against the LIberals showing support for public education, and realizing how bad conditions are in BC schools. CUPE, with their recent deal, is guarantied their wages through a teachers strike……their members can go and picket with the teachers, but unlike the teachers, CUPE members are being paid.
socialist Posted June 17, 2014 Author Report Posted June 17, 2014 A new poll by the CBC finds an overwhelming majority of BC residents support the BCTF and teachers. This is no surprise and the level of support will only increase as the residents of BC realize how under funded BC public education is. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/b-c-teachers-strike-schools-closed-as-talks-resume-1.2677897 Thankful to have become a free thinker.
Pct2017 Posted June 18, 2014 Report Posted June 18, 2014 I see the BCTF's latest publicity stunt is to set up food banks for the poor teachers who have lost 10% of their wages for two weeks plus 5 days pay for the strike. Yep, really speaks to the intelligence of teachers. So there young Socialist, last week you spoke so glowingly of the sacrifices that the selfless teachers were going to make in order to get back to teaching the children. Please explain to all of us in 100 words or less just where asking for $5000 per teacher as a signing bonus fits in with that particular thought. No citing your usual loopy websites or using other's words. Time starts now.
socialist Posted June 19, 2014 Author Report Posted June 19, 2014 I see the BCTF's latest publicity stunt is to set up food banks for the poor teachers who have lost 10% of their wages for two weeks plus 5 days pay for the strike. Yep, really speaks to the intelligence of teachers. So there young Socialist, last week you spoke so glowingly of the sacrifices that the selfless teachers were going to make in order to get back to teaching the children. Please explain to all of us in 100 words or less just where asking for $5000 per teacher as a signing bonus fits in with that particular thought. No citing your usual loopy websites or using other's words. Time starts now. That was a one time bonus to make up for the 10% pay cut teachers were forced to endure. Many teachers are struggling to pay their mortgages. This is a serious situation. Want real life stories. Check out this. https://twitter.com/search?f=realtime&q=%23bced&src=typd Thankful to have become a free thinker.
The_Squid Posted June 19, 2014 Report Posted June 19, 2014 The food banks are a ridiculous stunt. If you have issues with feeding yourself due to employment issues, get a job elsewhere! I wouldn't let a strike stop me from earning enough money to eat! These are people with supposed valuable university degrees.... and they can't earn enough to buy food??? It would be funny if it wasn't so stupid....
Pct2017 Posted June 19, 2014 Report Posted June 19, 2014 (edited) That was a one time bonus to make up for the 10% pay cut teachers were forced to endure. Many teachers are struggling to pay their mortgages. This is a serious situation. Want real life stories. Check out this. https://twitter.com/search?f=realtime&q=%23bced&src=typd You know there Socialist, as you grow up, you will learn that there are times that it is perfectly ok not to answer a question, particularly when you are going to look like a complete ass if you do answer it. So what you are telling us is that because the teachers lost 10% of three weeks wages, they need $5,000 to make up for it. So, let's do some math. Most teachers spread their pay over 44 weeks and forego getting paid over the summer holidays. So, divide by 3, multiply by 10, multiply by 44. You are saying that the average teacher gets paid $733,330.40 per year. Well, that certainly clears that question up. I now know that for sure everything that they are doing is for the students!! So, if they really are getting paid $733,330.40/year, could you explain the food bank idea? BTW, the average teacher makes something in the range of $75,000/year, so the most she lost was $511.36 due to the 10% wage rollback. Must be living pretty close to the financial edge if $511.36 is considered dire. But, hey, anything is possible when you are dealing with teachers. Edited June 19, 2014 by Pct2017
Pct2017 Posted June 19, 2014 Report Posted June 19, 2014 The food banks are a ridiculous stunt. If you have issues with feeding yourself due to employment issues, get a job elsewhere! I wouldn't let a strike stop me from earning enough money to eat! These are people with supposed valuable university degrees.... and they can't earn enough to buy food??? It would be funny if it wasn't so stupid.... Oh great, now we will have whiny teachers serving us Subway. "I would give you mustard on that sub if only they would hire three assistants for me. And, when on earth do I get to go home. I have been here 6 hours. Continuously. I am going to need that massage tonight."
socialist Posted June 19, 2014 Author Report Posted June 19, 2014 You know there Socialist, as you grow up, you will learn that there are times that it is perfectly ok not to answer a question, particularly when you are going to look like a complete ass if you do answer it. So what you are telling us is that because the teachers lost 10% of three weeks wages, they need $5,000 to make up for it. So, let's do some math. Most teachers spread their pay over 44 weeks and forego getting paid over the summer holidays. So, divide by 3, multiply by 10, multiply by 44. You are saying that the average teacher gets paid $733,330.40 per year. Well, that certainly clears that question up. I now know that for sure everything that they are doing is for the students!! So, if they really are getting paid $733,330.40/year, could you explain the food bank idea? BTW, the average teacher makes something in the range of $75,000/year, so the most she lost was $511.36 due to the 10% wage rollback. Must be living pretty close to the financial edge if $511.36 is considered dire. But, hey, anything is possible when you are dealing with teachers. Take a look a public support. Overwhelming support for teachers. Sorry, your side is losing big time. But keep up with your ignorant, brain dead cliches. Here. have a look and close your yap for a few minutes. https://twitter.com/search?f=realtime&q=%23thisismystrikepay&src=tyah https://twitter.com/search?f=realtime&q=%23bced&src=typd Thankful to have become a free thinker.
socialist Posted June 19, 2014 Author Report Posted June 19, 2014 Oh great, now we will have whiny teachers serving us Subway. "I would give you mustard on that sub if only they would hire three assistants for me. And, when on earth do I get to go home. I have been here 6 hours. Continuously. I am going to need that massage tonight." Also, demands by the BCTF would be a lot less expensive had the BC Liberal government not ILLEGALLY tore up contracts in the first place. education funding in BC is $1000 less per student than the national average. Many needs left unaddressed. Real people and their thoughts on teachers. This is no loner a fight for teachers, but a fight for better education. $280.7 million of taxpayers money going to fund private schools while public schools are underfunded. 1,443 fewer specialist teachers in BC than in 2001–02, despite more designated students needing support. It's really quite shocking how many folks don't seem to care much that their own government flouts Supreme Court rulings. Anyone else ever wonder where we'd be now if parents, Trustees, Admin, AND teachers fought this fight back in 2002? Silence was costly. Lib gov didnt think much about balanced budget when gave themselves huge raises,some close to 70% over 0 yrs. When the government defies the Supreme Court, it becomes a fight for democracy. We live by the rule of law. These are some facts for you PCT, but you choose to play the ostrich. Thankful to have become a free thinker.
Derek 2.0 Posted June 19, 2014 Report Posted June 19, 2014 The food banks are a ridiculous stunt. If you have issues with feeding yourself due to employment issues, get a job elsewhere! I wouldn't let a strike stop me from earning enough money to eat! These are people with supposed valuable university degrees.... and they can't earn enough to buy food??? It would be funny if it wasn't so stupid.... I agree it’s a stunt to an extent, but like all segments of society, you’ll have some members that are fiscally inept or have more valid circumstances (teachers that are single parents or both partners teach etc). With that said, if I were a teacher (I’m not but my sister and brother in-law are) I’d be really asking what happened to the strike fund. With my sister and her husbands case, they’ve been paying dues since the early 80s and received $300 between the two of them…..Now they’ve paid off their mortgage, have little household debt and have significant savings, so even if the strike went into the following school year, they’d have very little in terms of financial difficulties. That is not the case though for many teachers that are held hostage by the secretive and unaccountable BCTF executive.
socialist Posted June 19, 2014 Author Report Posted June 19, 2014 I agree it’s a stunt to an extent, but like all segments of society, you’ll have some members that are fiscally inept or have more valid circumstances (teachers that are single parents or both partners teach etc). With that said, if I were a teacher (I’m not but my sister and brother in-law are) I’d be really asking what happened to the strike fund. With my sister and her husbands case, they’ve been paying dues since the early 80s and received $300 between the two of them…..Now they’ve paid off their mortgage, have little household debt and have significant savings, so even if the strike went into the following school year, they’d have very little in terms of financial difficulties. That is not the case though for many teachers that are held hostage by the secretive and unaccountable BCTF executive. Secretive and unaccountable? They are fighting for better conditions for kids. Your relatives know exactly how the government has screwed teachers and students, right? Thankful to have become a free thinker.
Hal 9000 Posted June 19, 2014 Report Posted June 19, 2014 (edited) This whole food bank thing is a little over the top. I would feel truly insulted and patronized if I was someone who actually needed food banks for support. But here are the teachers portraying themselves as victims...again. Snapping up food cards! How embarrassing! It's a poorly conceived stunt with incredibly bad timing. At least wait until August to pull out that stunt. And...if it's not a stunt then we have to believe that these people who are teaching our kids, who know exactly how much they make and exactly when they'll be without work are so inept with budgeting that two weeks after school ends, they're out of cash! Are we to believe that every regular year that teachers are looking for handouts by mid july? Are these the people who we want teaching math to our children? Good grief, maybe the government needs to manage the teachers' money for them by spreading their pay equally over 12 months. P.S - Maybe the teachers should give those food cards to the parents who make squat in comparison and now have to pay daycare so their kids can be looked after while they go to their minimum wage job. Edited June 19, 2014 by Hal 9000 The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
The_Squid Posted June 19, 2014 Report Posted June 19, 2014 I'm sure people using food banks because they are poor would love to have a teacher's starting salary... I agree... it is insulting to those folks who legitimately need help affording food. The strike/lockout has cost them what? A week of pay? ...and they have been at work since September... and they now need food banks? It's laughable.
hitops Posted June 19, 2014 Report Posted June 19, 2014 (edited) And...if it's not a stunt then we have to believe that these people who are teaching our kids, who know exactly how much they make and exactly when they'll be without work are so inept with budgeting that two weeks after school ends, they're out of cash! LOL that is an amazing point. The teachers of our children......are financially utterly incompetent and irresponsible. Great message, good role model for life success guys. Perhaps lifeskills class now teaches that if you're living paycheck to paycheck, it's all good? Edited June 19, 2014 by hitops
socialist Posted June 19, 2014 Author Report Posted June 19, 2014 LOL that is an amazing point. The teachers of our children......are financially utterly incompetent and irresponsible. Great message, good role model for life success guys. Perhaps lifeskills class now teaches that if you're living paycheck to paycheck, it's all good? Teachers know a lot about finances. Some teachers are part time teachers. Some are single parents. BC teachers are 2nd lowest paid in Canada and it is expensive to live in BC. Thankful to have become a free thinker.
socialist Posted June 19, 2014 Author Report Posted June 19, 2014 Ontario teachers have given the BCTF $1 Million. What an awesome move by Onatrio teachers to show solidarity with their brothers and sisters on the coast. Ontario teachers realize how close they were to having this same charade play out in Ontario. Thankfully, Ontario residents were smart enough to see the potential destruction. http://www.cknw.com/2014/06/19/ontario-teachers/ Thankful to have become a free thinker.
AngusThermopyle Posted June 19, 2014 Report Posted June 19, 2014 Oh Socialist, I hate to break this to you buttercup, I guess you didn't hear the news yet. Your hero Wynne just announced recently in an interview that there is no new money for the unions. Do you comprehend what that means? Can you say wage freeze? Can you say howls of outrage from all the unions who supported her? Things are going to get interesting now. I yam what I yam - Popeye
socialist Posted June 19, 2014 Author Report Posted June 19, 2014 Oh Socialist, I hate to break this to you buttercup, I guess you didn't hear the news yet. Your hero Wynne just announced recently in an interview that there is no new money for the unions. Do you comprehend what that means? Can you say wage freeze? Can you say howls of outrage from all the unions who supported her? Things are going to get interesting now. As long as she doesn't cut teachers. The unions worked hard to get her elected. I am confident things will work out for teachers in Ontario. Thankful to have become a free thinker.
Derek 2.0 Posted June 20, 2014 Report Posted June 20, 2014 Secretive and unaccountable? They are fighting for better conditions for kids. Your relatives know exactly how the government has screwed teachers and students, right? Secretive because it’s a mystery as to where decades of dues have went, which in turn puts the BCTF members at a financial disadvantage when it comes to leveraging job action…..simply put, once the teachers that have saved for the regular summer break have exhausted their own savings, they will be left with no choice but accept an offer. Unaccountable because unlike most unions, the BCTF executive isn’t directly elected by their members.
Derek 2.0 Posted June 20, 2014 Report Posted June 20, 2014 Ontario teachers have given the BCTF $1 Million. What an awesome move by Onatrio teachers to show solidarity with their brothers and sisters on the coast. Ontario teachers realize how close they were to having this same charade play out in Ontario. Thankfully, Ontario residents were smart enough to see the potential destruction. http://www.cknw.com/2014/06/19/ontario-teachers/ And said sum translates into less than $25.00 for each member, or half of what a member should receive for one day strike pay……If this job action goes into October, and starts to bankrupt teachers, they could very well end up taking a lesser deal as to what’s offered today, and in turn splinter the BCTF…… As it stands now, if the Government accepted the latest BCTF proposal as is, the Province would go into the red by nearly $300 million…..The BC Liberals will not go back into deficit, just as I’m certain British Columbians will not be eager to see a tax increase to pay for a teacher pay hike.
Derek 2.0 Posted June 20, 2014 Report Posted June 20, 2014 I'm sure people using food banks because they are poor would love to have a teacher's starting salary... I agree... it is insulting to those folks who legitimately need help affording food. The strike/lockout has cost them what? A week of pay? ...and they have been at work since September... and they now need food banks? It's laughable. In fairness, said food bank was set-up amongst teachers and not relying upon the local resources….. I largely agree that most teachers, this close to Summer, shouldn’t be hurting yet, since most do make plans/arrangements for the summer break, where the teachers will start hurting is in September….. I do have a smidgen of sympathy for some of the members, namely the younger teachers that aren’t quite full time, both partners are teachers and for those that are single parents…….If one is honest, most folks (at some time in their lives) have built themselves a financial house of cards, as such, the slightest interruption will upset the household applecart……..It will be interesting to see if Canada student loans allows a grace period extension for those that apply for financial hardship during the summer.
socialist Posted June 20, 2014 Author Report Posted June 20, 2014 The government has finally made a decent move and are accepting mediation. The BCTF recommended Vince ready and the government agreed to let Ready mediate. To me, this is a slight way for the government to save face without admitting they were wrong in the first place. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/b-c-teachers-strike-government-agrees-to-vince-ready-as-mediator-1.2682810 Thankful to have become a free thinker.
Hal 9000 Posted June 21, 2014 Report Posted June 21, 2014 In fairness, said food bank was set-up amongst teachers and not relying upon the local resources….. I largely agree that most teachers, this close to Summer, shouldn’t be hurting yet, since most do make plans/arrangements for the summer break, where the teachers will start hurting is in September….. I do have a smidgen of sympathy for some of the members, namely the younger teachers that aren’t quite full time, both partners are teachers and for those that are single parents…….If one is honest, most folks (at some time in their lives) have built themselves a financial house of cards, as such, the slightest interruption will upset the household applecart……..It will be interesting to see if Canada student loans allows a grace period extension for those that apply for financial hardship during the summer. I'm sure we all know that the food bank was set-up amongst the teachers themselves, it's the visuals or the terminology used to compare themselves with those who are actually "poor" that I take issue with. And...I know loggers with 8th grade education who know to put money away for fire season and snow etc etc. I know fishermen, pickers, tree planters, yard people etc etc that all work seasonal and all have to deal with income interruptions - that's life! Teachers have spent every year of their life since the age of 5 knowing when school is in and when its not. If they haven't figured things out by now or are living beyond their means, then that's their fault. The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
socialist Posted June 21, 2014 Author Report Posted June 21, 2014 I'm sure we all know that the food bank was set-up amongst the teachers themselves, it's the visuals or the terminology used to compare themselves with those who are actually "poor" that I take issue with. And...I know loggers with 8th grade education who know to put money away for fire season and snow etc etc. I know fishermen, pickers, tree planters, yard people etc etc that all work seasonal and all have to deal with income interruptions - that's life! Teachers have spent every year of their life since the age of 5 knowing when school is in and when its not. If they haven't figured things out by now or are living beyond their means, then that's their fault. Guys like you and PCT fail to see the big picture. There is plenty of money to support proper funding for BCED. Maybe try expanding your horizons. Start here. http://www.policynote.ca/the-disconnect-between-economic-growth-and-teachers-wages/ Thankful to have become a free thinker.
socialist Posted June 21, 2014 Author Report Posted June 21, 2014 (edited) Canadian teachers are angry and have many reasons to be angry. Some of you need to start educating yourselves on the real issues at play. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/education/why-teachers-across-canada-are-so-angry/article19273676/ Also, an attack on public education is an attack on Democracy. http://seattleducation2010.wordpress.com/2014/04/01/bill-moyers-and-diane-ravitch-on-charter-schools-cashing-in-on-your-children/ Edited June 21, 2014 by socialist Thankful to have become a free thinker.
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