Northern Gateway Pipeline Lawsuit

[jacee]

The economic prosperity of Alberta oil benefits all of Canada.

It's less than 2% of GDP.

Manufacturing is still 13% (used to be over 20%)

Refining and manufacturing onsite would contribute more to Canada's gdp than transporting oil.

If producers and pipelines don't pay to clean up their own dilbit spills, oil will quickly become a net loss for the Canadian economy.

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[ReeferMadness]

Don't care...oil/bitumen production and distribution are more important than preventing oil spills. Fact.

I suppose when you're too apathetic to educate yourself on the basics of the subject you're debating, it's asking too much to go look at dictionary.com and educate yourself on the difference between fact and opinion.

[ReeferMadness]

The economic prosperity of Alberta oil benefits all of Canada.

The jury is out as to whether that is true in the short term. ie are the short term benefits of focusing on digging up a single commodity and selling it as quickly as possible outweigh the short term costs due to pollution, higher dollar, etc.

In the long term, it will prove very difficult to argue that the Harper petro state mentality has been a net benefit to Canada.

[jacee]

It's very relevant - your proposal to build refineries in Canada means that all the resulting products would be transported to their markets by truck or by rail. Is that what you would consider to be an acceptable compromise?

Liquified petroleum gas (LPG)

Gasoline (also known as petrol)

Naphtha

Kerosene and related jet aircraft fuels

Diesel fuel

Fuel oils

Lubricating oils

Paraffin wax

Asphalt and tar

Petroleum coke

Sulfur

They already are ... from somewhere else.

Why not within Canada.

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[Wilber]

Don't care...oil/bitumen production and distribution are more important than preventing oil spills. Fact.

As long as you are the spiller and not the spillee.

[jacee]

BC waters are Canadian waters.

This needs to change but it'll be up to BC's 1st Nations to make that call. I'd answer it in a heartbeat myself.

Aboriginals can't change the constitution. It doesn't need to change as the oceans are always of a natural interest.

I think you meant "national interest"?

And eyeball is right ... There will be challenges from Indigenous Nations of Canada, BC ... or Alberta's right to risk damage to coastal ecosystems.

It doesn't require change to the Constitution:

The challenges will be based in the Constitution.

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Edited July 18, 2014 by jacee

[bush_cheney2004]

I suppose when you're too apathetic to educate yourself on the basics of the subject you're debating, it's asking too much to go look at dictionary.com and educate yourself on the difference between fact and opinion.

Suppose whatever you wish....the economic facts say otherwise. Pretend that spills are more important....live the fantasy....Petroleum #5.

[On Guard for Thee]

Suppose whatever you wish....the economic facts say otherwise. Pretend that spills are more important....live the fantasy....Petroleum #5.

Suppose whatever you wish. Economic "facts" don't overule legal facts. Don't hold your breath waiting for NG.

[ReeferMadness]

Suppose whatever you wish....the economic facts say otherwise. Pretend that spills are more important....live the fantasy....Petroleum #5.

Bow before your one true god the economy. Once the fossil fuels have been wasted and the environment polluted, perhaps you'll learn the difference between price and value.

Most likely not, though. Religious fanatics will die with their beliefs intact.

[bush_cheney2004]

Bow before your one true god the economy. Once the fossil fuels have been wasted and the environment polluted, perhaps you'll learn the difference between price and value.

Most likely not, though. Religious fanatics will die with their beliefs intact.

That's right....unlike the delusional tree folk, I don't suffer from cognitive dissonance. Energy production is more important based on economic reality, not fantasy. Besides, I will be in carbon based unit heaven by then anyway.

[On Guard for Thee]

That's right....unlike the delusional tree folk, I don't suffer from cognitive dissonance. Energy production is more important based on economic reality, not fantasy. Besides, I will be in carbon based unit heaven by then anyway.

Likely hastened by air pollution.

[waldo]

Besides, I will be in carbon based unit heaven by then anyway.

that is a telling reflection on those who live for today/live for themselves... thinking nothing of the future or their grandchildren and their descendants.

[On Guard for Thee]

Perhaps a memeber of Harper's CAMA religion which reckons if we happen to stear the earth wrong then God will lend a hand and put us back right again. What a lovely fallback position.

[overthere]

Why the focus on AB?

What is the overall value of hydrocarbon industries to the Canadian economy, given that our former industrial base in Central Canada is rapidly leaving for more profitable places? BC, SK, NS and the Newfs all have significant investment too.

[jacee]

Perhaps a memeber of Harper's CAMA religion which reckons if we happen to stear the earth wrong then God will lend a hand and put us back right again. What a lovely fallback position.

I've heard Indigenous people say that if humans overburden mother earth, she will rumble and shake some of us off, like a wet dog shaking off water drops.

Cheery thought, eh?

Cling to large trees.

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[On Guard for Thee]

I've heard Indigenous people say that if humans overburden mother earth, she will rumble and shake some of us off, like a wet dog shaking off water drops.

Cheery thought, eh?

Cling to large trees.

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I seem to get on well with dogs, hopefully that will be helpful in the above scenario. In any case, I'm in BC so there are lots of large trees around.