Constitutional Monarchy and the "Nation to Nation" Relationshi

[jacee]

Apart from some rights granted FN's , such as fishing and hunting, we are all equal under the law.

Aboriginal people can fish and hunt and sustain themselves from the land, and we have to allow it:

We are all bound by the same laws and treaties, though our responsibilities under the law may be different.

[-1=e^ipi]

Apart from some rights granted FN's , such as fishing and hunting, we are all equal under the law.

You can keep repeating this lie all you want. Does not mean that it will become any truer.

What right does the HEad of State have that you dont?

Educate yourself:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_Canada#Federal_constitutional_role

Start with the ability to appoint the Governor General of Canada.

equal under the law.

Oh another person who continues to repeat this lie. Do you want me to point out all of the places in our charter that violate this principle (as I have already done)?

Who the hell cares.

I do.

This certainly looks like a typical too-bad so-sad thread about indigenous peoples that need to get over losing out to invasive races.

Yeah because their certainly aren't any progressive idiots in this thread trying to use some sort of ancestral guilt technique to justify state institutionalized racism. *sarcasm*

You keep claiming that the peoples that lived in Canada before European Immigration were hunter gatherer societies and that no clear legal system was present in the lands of Canada as if the legal system our ancestors arrived with dictates anything to do with sovereignty then or more importantly now and in the foreseeable future. It's ironic how our legal system has turned more than a few tables.

They were primarily hunter-gatherer societies. Admittedly a very small fraction in Southern Ontario practiced some agriculture. But most of the land of Canada was not viable for agricultural practices, especially given the level of technology available. Also, an agrarian society doesn't necessarily have a clear legal system either; it takes a long time for a society to develop that. My point that there was no clear legal system for people to own land still stands.

And who is 'our/us' in your sentence?

Edited May 22, 2014 by -1=e^ipi

[eyeball]

And who is 'our/us' in your sentence?

The dominant mostly European immigrant/invader society.

Edited May 22, 2014 by eyeball

[guyser]

You can keep repeating this lie all you want. Does not mean that it will become any truer.

Educate yourself:

Wow, so lame.

So the Head of State has ro appoint someone, but of course the PM does that and it is approved.

Wanna argue that you have no right to choose our PM too?

If you want to answer the question, fine. If not too bad.

[eyeball]

Yeah because their certainly aren't any progressive idiots in this thread trying to use some sort of ancestral guilt technique to justify state institutionalized racism. *sarcasm*

As a commercial fisherman I've probably had to grapple more directly than most around here with the swirl of emotions associated with being displaced by native rights. I can only dream of the freedom of opportunity afforded by the right to pretty much just gear up and go fishing without the usual hassle, headache and expense that non-natives have to attend too. That said I have a keener appreciation of how being displaced and dispossessed of that opportunity now feels so I can relate to how native people have been feeling for generations. I can also look to the stoic manner in which local Japanese fishing families have recovered from a truly unjustly engineered dispossession. I reserve getting all political and angry for the big institutions; governments, churches and corporations and such that all too often are more responsible for dividing Earthlings and keeping us divided in ways that have us all chasing our tails rather than organizing around each other's common needs. It's a long view to take and I expect your kids kids will likely still be at this when it comes their turn.

I have two choices, I can get all political and angry and torn up at people on the ground and water who like me are just trying to get by and maybe just a little bit ahead or I can hope for and speak to a future where all the acrimony begins to fade away. I'm content to elicit funny looks knowing that behind them gears are grinding around my comments about simply being an Earthling and putting yourself in other people's gumboots and doing unto them yadda yadda. Doing the latter is something our ancestors could have easily done but they didn't, instead they subscribed to the will of the same sort of big institutions that too many of us still follow to this day. That's why we're where we are now and our influence on where people are in the future will be just as tangible and real. I have a granddaughter now so...she's Chinese-Canadian, a real Earthling if there ever was one in my eye.

Edited May 22, 2014 by eyeball

[-1=e^ipi]

The dominant mostly European immigrant/invader society.

where does everyone else fit into this? Am I included in your 'our'?

So the Head of State has ro appoint someone, but of course the PM does that and it is approved.

The head of state can appoint someone who can veto all our laws, dismiss parliament, etc.

Wanna argue that you have no right to choose our PM too?

The PM is chosen by parliament. Parliament is elected by the people. The PM is chosen indirectly by the people.

Blah blah blah... I am a fisherman. I have grandkids. I'm not angry.

What point are you trying to convey with this post?

[eyeball]

That I'm getting past ancestral responsibility and you're not.

[overthere]

To natives, taxes are rents designed to support the tribe so they do not need to work - to everyone else taxes are collective payments for services rendered and the tax rates depend only on the cost of services.

That sounds like anecdotal rubbish, and a grotesque generalization of the work ethic of a lot of people you clearly know little about.

First Nations see themselves as a level of government equal in some respecvts to the federal government though with different responsibilities.

The relationship between levels of govt regarding taxes is hierarchical. Perhaps you weren't aware, for example, that the federal governments does not pay "property taxes" to lower levels of government. They do pay what is called Grants in Lieu of Taxes in equivalent amounts, but they dont recognize soveriegnty over them of other levels of govt. There is a pecking order.

Since the First Nations do not generally recognize surrendering their soveriegnty except in limyted ways through treaties, why would they pay federal tax for money earned on their own national lands? The federal govt recognizes this readily for 150 years and counting, since they don't attempt to collect - having been signatory to those agreements in the first place.

You must really hate the relationship between govts in places where no treaties exist.....

[guyser]

The head of state can appoint someone who can veto all our laws, dismiss parliament, etc.

As if..

[-1=e^ipi]

That I'm getting past ancestral responsibility and you're not.

Wtf is ancestral responsibility?

As if..

Continue to deny reality if you wish.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governor_General_of_Canada

First Nations see themselves as a level of government equal in some respecvts to the federal government though with different responsibilities.

Since the First Nations do not generally recognize surrendering their soveriegnty except in limyted ways through treaties, why would they pay federal tax for money earned on their own national lands?

Some people support the idea of everyone being equal under the law regardless of race or ethnic background and do not agree with state institutionalized racism.

[eyeball]

Wtf is ancestral responsibility?

Whatever our legal system rules.

[-1=e^ipi]

Whatever our legal system rules.

So if our legal system rules slavery, that is ancestral responsibility?

[guyser]

Continue to deny reality if you wish.

Is there some sort of point you wish to make as concerns rights you think others have that you do not?

Throwing around the GG is nothing short of lazy, not to mention a right of anyones.It is however a job description.

[-1=e^ipi]

Is there some sort of point you wish to make as concerns rights you think others have that you do not?

Throwing around the GG is nothing short of lazy, not to mention a right of anyones.It is however a job description.

" the Canadian monarch appoints the governor general by commission issued under the royal sign-manual and Great Seal of Canada."

[eyeball]

So if our legal system rules slavery, that is ancestral responsibility?

I doubt that, but so long as our nation - our Parliament, some Minister or department or another - tries to do an end run around doing what's right our legal system will probably keep coming up with stuff that's bound to drive someone nuts.

Maybe our ancestors should have left it behind when they gave up the Old World for the new.

Going with do unto others starts looking better all the time don't you think?

Edited May 22, 2014 by eyeball

[guyser]

" the Canadian monarch appoints the governor general by commission issued under the royal sign-manual and Great Seal of Canada."

And ?

Is this hard for you? Im guessing it is, so far you have nothing.

[jacee]

Some people support the idea of everyone being equal under the law regardless of race or ethnic background and do not agree with state institutionalized racism.

A few zealots only, while the vast majority of Canadians support the laws, treaties and agreements that our leaders made with Indigenous Peoples to allow us to settle here in peace and friendship.

The Supreme Court agrees.

You are a bit of a lone voice plugging away at the racist idea that we somehow 'took away' the rights and sovereignty of Indigenous Nations.

Can you point to the laws, agreements, treaties, etc. where you think that happened?

eta

or ... are you lobbying to open up the Constitution?

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Edited June 7, 2014 by jacee