HTML5, Calculators & Compilers: Three Paragraphs

[August1991]

First of all, I am absolutely astonished with HTML5. I dabble in programming (now called coding) and HTML5 with Javascript renders the Internet human and easy to access. I reckon that this is a revolution in the making, in part because of touch screens/events but also because how simple this coding is.

Second, many people are bad at math and I always tell such people to use a calculator. "A few smart people before you invented math. Don't re-invent the wheel! Use a calculator." IOW, we learn based on what others before us have learned. For example, people before us invented language, and even sarcasm. It is foolish to waste time re-writing code.

Third, I hate compiled programmes (but I have nothing against compilers). With HTML5, I am astonished with the power of the modern computer/browser.

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I have no desire to take sides in any Team/Hive/Fan/Nationalist debate.

Nevertheless, I reckon that Adobe's Flash and swf files are history. I have no idea where Microsoft or Oracle stand in this "revolution".

Edited December 11, 2013 by August1991

[Smallc]

[August1991]

Clueless.

But aside from HTML5, how do we Westerners teach these Chinese and Muslims/Iranians "Satire" or even "Irony"?

[irony]Are they as clueless as you Smallc?[/irony]

Edited December 11, 2013 by August1991

[cybercoma]

August, you're the Jackson Pollock of this forum. You throw words at your screen and hope they stick. Also, I like turtles. For example, Catholics and Protestants.

[Smallc]

Clueless.

But aside from HTML5, how do we Westerners teach these Chinese and Muslims/Iranians "Satire" or even "Irony"?

[irony]Are they as clueless as you Smallc?[/irony]

[Mighty AC]

I'm not astonished by HTML5, but it certainly does give developers a standard syntax with the power to make web apps behave in a more humane way. And I agree that Flash is dead, Adobe has even admitted it.

What is your beef with compiled code?

Developers need not learn assembly language to code in a modern syntax, but to excel at their craft they should generally understand how their software interacts with the OS and the machine itself. Similarly, calculators can be a very useful, time saving tool but users should understand the problems they are solving.

Edited December 11, 2013 by Mighty AC

[Michael Hardner]

Questions race through my mind. Is Auguste the only HTML programmer in Canada who knows who Voltaire is, for example ?

And what does THIS mean:

"But aside from HTML5, how do we Westerners teach these Chinese and Muslims/Iranians "Satire" or even "Irony"?"

So... he ISN'T an HTML5 programmer ?

And, a side matter - why does he think other cultures don't have satire or irony ?

[Argus]

And, a side matter - why does he think other cultures don't have satire or irony ?

Well, in the lands of Allah satire gets you killed and irony is that you thought that would be funny...

[GostHacked]

HTML 5 was to be the big thing some years ago. It still has to really make it's way into websites. Flash won't be going away anytime soon.

[August1991]

What is your beef with compiled code?

I have nothing against compiled code. I object to users compiling.

HTML 5 was to be the big thing some years ago. It still has to really make it's way into websites. Flash won't be going away anytime soon.

I think you're wrong.

Uh, any statement that it was a "big thing some years ago" about the future is, well, now.

GostHacked, you're too far on the "bleeding edge".

Edited December 12, 2013 by August1991

[August1991]

And what does THIS mean:

You mean .THIS?

Me too. Often.

Edited December 12, 2013 by August1991

[cybercoma]

I have nothing against compiled code. I object to users compiling.

You're an artist.

[August1991]

You're an artist.

Cybercoma, this is a revolution in the making.

In 2030 or so, the occupation "teacher" will not exist - or it will exist in the way the term "bank teller" today exists.

Edited January 7, 2014 by August1991

[Bonam]

Cybercoma, this is a revolution in the making.

In 2030 or so, the occupation "teacher" will not exist - or it will exist in the way the term "bank teller" today exists.

You do know banks still have tellers, yes? In fact, even as ATMs and online banking have proliferated, the number of real human bank tellers has also continued to grow:

http://polipundit.com/?p=31464

The number of ATMs more than doubled between 1998 and 2008, from 187,000 to 401,500, according to the American Bankers Association. Yet data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics show that during the same period, the number of bank tellers rose from 560,000 to 600,500. BLS expects “favorable” job prospects for bank tellers over the next decade.

[Michael Hardner]

In 2030 or so, the occupation "teacher" will not exist - or it will exist in the way the term "bank teller" today exists.

If the television didn't replace the teacher, then the personal computer certainly will not. To say so represents a misunderstanding of how humans interact, generally, and especially a misunderstanding of how adults and children interact.

[August1991]

If the television didn't replace the teacher, then the personal computer certainly will not. To say so represents a misunderstanding of how humans interact, generally, and especially a misunderstanding of how adults and children interact.

Uh, Netflix has replaced television. And ATMs have replaced bank tellers.

Well, not entirely. I think that Marshall McLuhan said that all obsolete technology becomes an "art form". I'm not sure that bank tellers, horse dealers or even low resolution NTSC TV recordings will ever become an "art form".

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But Michael, there is a tremendous change in the making. Decades ago, it started with scientific calculations. Then, banks and financial institutions changed. Now, it is newspapers and classified ads. Next, it will be teaching. Then, it will be health care.

Edited January 14, 2014 by August1991

[August1991]

You do know banks still have tellers, yes? In fact, even as ATMs and online banking have proliferated, the number of real human bank tellers has also continued to grow...:

http://polipundit.com/?p=31464

The number of ATMs more than doubled between 1998 and 2008, from 187,000 to 401,500, according to the American Bankers Association. Yet data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics show that during the same period, the number of bank tellers rose from 560,000 to 600,500. BLS expects “favorable” job prospects for bank tellers over the next decade.

So, some people still want to talk to a person at a bank. (According to your stats, the trend is not good. ATMs look better.)

But Bonam, what happens when a computer can do a teller's job better overall? Like Watson in Jeopardy.

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Will computers (or their owners) be rich and we (the rest of us) be poor? Is this the logic/reasoning underlying claims that the rich are getting richer and the poor are poorer?

Edited January 14, 2014 by August1991

[Michael Hardner]

Uh, Netflix has replaced television. And ATMs have replaced bank tellers.

Well, not entirely. I think that Marshall McLuhan said that all obsolete technology becomes an "art form". I'm not sure that bank tellers, horse dealers or even low resolution NTSC TV recordings will ever become an "art form".

Tellers are now 'personal banking specialists' or somesuch, and are much more than just change-makers. They are personal service points of contact, and the face of the bank. Horse dealers ... I don't know what that is. And HD is just replacing one technology with another, so it's different.

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But Michael, there is a tremendous change in the making. Decades ago, it started with scientific calculations. Then, banks and financial institutions changed. Now, it is newspapers and classified ads. Next, it will be teaching. Then, it will be health care.

I have explained over and over why teaching won't substantially change and you haven't yet come up with a reason that it will. Of course there is tremendous change in the making, but there's a progress of technology and certain jobs are replaced first, others are supplemented and still others are not changed much at all.

Otherwise, explain to me how chiropractors, psychotherapy and prostitution will be replaced by robots in the next twenty years.

Will computers (or their owners) be rich and we (the rest of us) be poor? Is this the logic/reasoning underlying claims that the rich are getting richer and the poor are poorer?

Well - this assertion is made but it's not exactly true. The rich get richer and the poor stay where they are. The economic game has rules that are set by the government, so they will do what gets them re-elected.

[Bonam]

Otherwise, explain to me how chiropractors, psychotherapy and prostitution will be replaced by robots in the next twenty years.

I dunno about chiropractors and psychotherapists, but prostitutes will certainly be replaced by robots. Pick your robot to be a replica of some ultra-hot pornstar, actress, or model, keep it in your closet for access whenever you want, only pay for it once, do whatever you want to it, no danger of STDs, no issues with illegality. The Japanese are hard at work on this technology.

[Michael Hardner]

I dunno about chiropractors and psychotherapists, but prostitutes will certainly be replaced by robots.

This is one of those topics that it's impossible to be objective about, I guess. I would expect that this would never happen, solely based on looking within myself and not wanting to make 'the move' on a 6 ft tall barbie tall that moves and moans passionately when you pull her string.

The Japanese are hard at work on this technology.

Nice one.

[Bonam]

This is one of those topics that it's impossible to be objective about, I guess. I would expect that this would never happen, solely based on looking within myself and not wanting to make 'the move' on a 6 ft tall barbie tall that moves and moans passionately when you pull her string.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that you aren't the kind of guy that frequents prostitutes currently. So what you see within yourself isn't necessarily relevant; it's what the people that are the current customers "see within themselves" that matters. Furthermore, the height and response of robots could be customized to whatever a particular individual wanted. If you want her to be 5'3" and playfully resist your advances, I'm sure that could be arranged too.

I also think the market for sex robots is substantially larger than the market for prostitutes. The overwhelming majority of people aren't going to go to prostitutes, especially in an environment where it is illegal. On the other hand, if you can order your sex robot on Amazon and keep it in your home on its charging station, your typical average person might order one on a lonely night.

Nice one.

I was serious, do some googling. From virtual reality technologies, handjob robots, androids with "soft and pliable" skin, androids that simulate the sounds of breathing and moaning, etc, there are dozens of Japanese companies working hard to capture this market segment.

[Michael Hardner]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that you aren't the kind of guy that frequents prostitutes currently.

I am not, however what person on here would admit to patronizing prostitution ?

So what you see within yourself isn't necessarily relevant; it's what the people that are the current customers "see within themselves" that matters. Furthermore, the height and response of robots could be customized to whatever a particular individual wanted. If you want her to be 5'3" and playfully resist your advances, I'm sure that could be arranged too.

I'm still a man, though. I'm aware of the fact that you could craft a prosti-bot to be the perfect height, skin tone, and have it look like a buxom version of Princess Leia or Yoda if you're into that - but the point is the same: it's a doll.

I also think the market for sex robots is substantially larger than the market for prostitutes. The overwhelming majority of people aren't going to go to prostitutes, especially in an environment where it is illegal. On the other hand, if you can order your sex robot on Amazon and keep it in your home on its charging station, your typical average person might order one on a lonely night.

I think this is one of those things where the two different products don't compete directly.

I was serious, do some googling.

Right... that's what I want... to see the NSA guys giggling at my profile whenever I cross the border in future...

[August1991]

I have explained over and over why teaching won't substantially change and you haven't yet come up with a reason that it will.

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Let me put aside discussions of prostitution and consider teaching instead.

Michael, I'm sorry if I missed your links to the eternity of "education" as a profession.

Nowadays, I generally learn more from the Internet than from wiser friends. When I want to learn something, I "google it." (Imagine a world where everyone can google anything.)

But Michael, I'm reaching further. About 2% of the world's population now understands differential calculus or the Central Limit Theorem. Computer games and smartphones make it possible to teach such mathematics to 4 year olds.

I don't know about prostitutes, lawyers or PR guys - but for bank tellers and (math) teachers (and pathologists), we are in a Brave New World.

Edited January 16, 2014 by August1991

[Bonam]

But Michael, I'm reaching further. About 2% of the world's population now understands differential calculus or the Central Limit Theorem.

If true, that's actually pretty impressive. Cite?

[Michael Hardner]

I don't know about prostitutes, lawyers or PR guys - but for bank tellers and (math) teachers (and pathologists), we are in a Brave New World.

I agree with your main premise - and even your idea of binding offshoring with technological change as they are related. Lawyers are now faced with the unthinkable situation where they are indeed being offshored, as I understand.