Keepitsimple Posted February 24, 2014 Report Posted February 24, 2014 So much for Trudeau's fresh new "open" approach to politics. He refused to have a media scrum after the convention - a tradition of every opposition leader going back 30 years or more. If the questions aren't known ahead of time, his handlers refuse to let him talk. And what about having the convention on the weekend of the Olympic hockey finals and the closing ceremonies. Another way of keeping Justin away from the media spotlight. It's getting pretty rediculous. Quote Back to Basics
Boges Posted February 24, 2014 Report Posted February 24, 2014 At this point, JT could say Poo Poo Pee Pee over and over again and people would call him inspiring and a breath of fresh air. Quote
Boges Posted February 24, 2014 Report Posted February 24, 2014 So much for Trudeau's fresh new "open" approach to politics. He refused to have a media scrum after the convention - a tradition of every opposition leader going back 30 years or more. If the questions aren't known ahead of time, his handlers refuse to let him talk. And what about having the convention on the weekend of the Olympic hockey finals and the closing ceremonies. Another way of keeping Justin away from the media spotlight. It's getting pretty rediculous. He didn't want to comment that his party decided to endorse doctors being able to kill people. Quote
Mighty AC Posted February 24, 2014 Report Posted February 24, 2014 At this point, JT could say Poo Poo Pee Pee over and over again and people would call him inspiring and a breath of fresh air.That's what happens when people become disillusioned with the sitting leader of our "benign dictatorship." Anyone, speaking of hope and change becomes a breathe of fresh air. He didn't want to comment that his party decided to endorse doctors being able to kill people.It's a tough spot for JT. Like Harper did for so long on social issues, leaders try to sit on the fence to appeal to as many voters as possible. I fully support the idea of assisted suicide, it's just the humane thing to do. Unfortunately, JT has to win a popularity contest and doesn't want to scare voters away over a single issue. Should he do the right thing by supporting it and appealing to the Lib and Dipper base, but scare away some of the disenfranchised CPC support? It's a very similar situation to Harper's gay marriage dilemma. Coming out in favour of human rights would have angered much of Harper's base. Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
Keepitsimple Posted February 24, 2014 Report Posted February 24, 2014 It's a tough spot for JT. Like Harper did for so long on social issues, leaders try to sit on the fence to appeal to as many voters as possible. I fully support the idea of assisted suicide, it's just the humane thing to do. Unfortunately, JT has to win a popularity contest and doesn't want to scare voters away over a single issue. It's not a tough spot at all - this is just a policy convention - not legislation. If he's truly beginning a new approach to politics - he should be willing to listen to all sides of any argument - not run away from them.......and a real leader would have explained it that way. The courage to confront polarized issues. Harper did it with abortion. Quote Back to Basics
Peter F Posted February 24, 2014 Report Posted February 24, 2014 ... Harper did it with abortion. Harper did absolutely nothing with abortion. Quote A bayonet is a tool with a worker at both ends
Boges Posted February 24, 2014 Report Posted February 24, 2014 Harper did absolutely nothing with abortion. Exactly, lots in him party wanted him to. No HIDDEN AGENDA!!!! Quote
Mighty AC Posted February 24, 2014 Report Posted February 24, 2014 Harper mostly avoided polarizing issues, which is to be expected when trying to win a popularity contest. JT is doing the same. If polling numbers show that it is advantageous to make assisted suicide part of the platform then he will. Otherwise he will sit on the fence like Steve. Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
PIK Posted February 24, 2014 Author Report Posted February 24, 2014 We shall see where the polls go after the Liberal convention. I think Trudeau's speech was right on the mark. He got in a couple good giggles at Harper and he didn't have to get nasty to do it. Granted he didn't reveal a lot of specifics, but he still has ample time for that . And when you are already ahead in the polls, you bide your time.And when has harper ever been nasty or even argry?? All media party talking points. I notice he has trouble with the word Mr. when it comes to the PM or official opp leader. And he revealed enough to know he is going left. And of course the leslie affair which shows the elite are heading back to the party. And he should be ahead by 30 not 4, if he was the real deal. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Keepitsimple Posted February 24, 2014 Report Posted February 24, 2014 Harper mostly avoided polarizing issues, which is to be expected when trying to win a popularity contest. JT is doing the same. If polling numbers show that it is advantageous to make assisted suicide part of the platform then he will. Otherwise he will sit on the fence like Steve. There's a big difference between sitting on the fence - and running away. On abortion - arguably one of the most polarized issues of all time - Harper was clear on what he would do - NOTHING. The usual suspects refused to believe him. Trudeau had an opportunity to show his "openness" by simply stating that he accepts all sorts of views from Party members - and it's his job to sift through and with the help of a magnificent team - do what's right for Canada. But the guy has no clue.....sorry - that's not sour grapes - it's just a fact. Quote Back to Basics
jbg Posted February 24, 2014 Report Posted February 24, 2014 But the guy has no clue.....sorry - that's not sour grapes - it's just a fact. I didn't like his father's policies but at least his IQ was up there. Justin's isn't. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
PIK Posted February 24, 2014 Author Report Posted February 24, 2014 (edited) http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/trudeau-should-disavow-joke-about-russian-intervention-in-ukraine-1.1701322 Leave it to trudeau to joke about a crisis, in which people are dying. IMO this is all a party for justin, he does not seem to be serious about anything but weed.Emabrressing, thank god for harper the only leader in the western world showing leadrship.Trudeau will be our version of obama and look how well he had done. Another guy in it for the party. Or I should say golf. Edited February 24, 2014 by PIK Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Boges Posted February 24, 2014 Report Posted February 24, 2014 http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/trudeau-should-disavow-joke-about-russian-intervention-in-ukraine-1.1701322Leave it to trudeau to joke about a crisis, in which people are dying. IMO this is all a party for justin, he does not seem to be serious about anything but weed.Emabrressing, thank god for harper the only leader in the western world showing leadrship.Trudeau will be our version of obama and look how well he had done. Another guy in it for the party. Or I should say golf. All the more idiotic because Russia led the medal standings. He should have gone with the "UKRAINE IS WEAK" blast if he wanted to be really funny. :-/ Quote
eyeball Posted February 25, 2014 Report Posted February 25, 2014 It's a little hard to get indignant about a joke from an opposition leader when the PM routinely gets a free pass for wheeling, dealing and trading with the sorts of networks of dictatorship that ultimately support places like North Korea, Syria and the Ukraine, to mention just a few. How much of the world's oligarch's ill-gotten wealth ends up being processed through our financial and investing systems? Apparently it's only in the last few days that western democracies have talked about targeted sanctions going after money and assets of the the corrupt bastards that have plundered Ukraine. Who the hell allowed them to squirrel this wealth away in the first place? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
On Guard for Thee Posted February 25, 2014 Report Posted February 25, 2014 At this point, JT could say Poo Poo Pee Pee over and over again and people would call him inspiring and a breath of fresh air. All Harper ever says these days is "poo poo, pee, pee" because if he get's into the facts he's in trouble, but he also reminds the speaker he has "been very clear about it". By this time next week, JT's flub about hockey will be off the horizon and the senate scandal will be right back. Quote
poliforthepeople Posted February 25, 2014 Report Posted February 25, 2014 (edited) Not sure he should resign, but he should definitly apologize for his latest comments in regards to the Ukraine. He seems to be slipping up over and over again. You don't expect these comments to be made by someone who wants to be the Prime Minister of Canada. Edited February 25, 2014 by poliforthepeople Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted February 25, 2014 Report Posted February 25, 2014 If you read the entire context you find it isn't quite so terrible as the press would have us believe with their carefully selected slices. Anyway, a week from now it will be so far in the back pages it will be at best a footnote. Quote
poliforthepeople Posted February 25, 2014 Report Posted February 25, 2014 Your right it will be gone. I did read a bunch of the transcript and I do agree the press is making a big deal of it, but still it wasn't a good thing to say. It came off as insensitive to the situation. Quote
Keepitsimple Posted February 25, 2014 Report Posted February 25, 2014 (edited) Your right it will be gone. I did read a bunch of the transcript and I do agree the press is making a big deal of it, but still it wasn't a good thing to say. It came off as insensitive to the situation. deleted - you made the point I was getting at in a previous post... Edited February 25, 2014 by Keepitsimple Quote Back to Basics
Boges Posted February 25, 2014 Report Posted February 25, 2014 Isolated this comment may not be a huge deal. But no one can deny there have been a number of gaffes JT has said to media in Quebec that many would find offensive, or at least tasteless. We got the line about wanting Quebec to separate in Stephen Harper's Canada, then we have the line about the Senate being find the way it is because it gives more power to Quebec over the West. And don't forget in the wake of the Boston Bombings, JT was more concerned about the reasons those two guys did what they did than condemning their murderous ways. It adds up. At this point a fifth grader could write the attack ads against him. Then if he decide to adopt assisted suicide there'll be much more fuel added to the fire. Yeah but SENATE SCANDAL!!! Notice the Liberal don't make much hay with that because the worst offending Senator was a Liberal? Quote
PIK Posted February 25, 2014 Author Report Posted February 25, 2014 (edited) So trudeau skips out on reporters after the convention and then does not show up for work on monday, I thought he was going to be open and transparent. What has happened . LMFAO Edited February 25, 2014 by PIK Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Boges Posted February 25, 2014 Report Posted February 25, 2014 So trudeau skips out on reporters after the convention and then does not show up for work on monday, I thought he was going to be open and transparent. What has happened . LMFAO He also said he wasn't going to go negative. Then he tells people who voted for Stephen Harper, that he's failed them. Quote
Spiderfish Posted February 25, 2014 Report Posted February 25, 2014 Yeah but SENATE SCANDAL!!! Notice the Liberal don't make much hay with that because the worst offending Senator was a Liberal? You mean "former" Liberal...now retired Independent, right? Because we all know there are no Liberals sitting as Senators anymore, with a wave of his magic wand, they all just gave that gig up...'member? Quote
PIK Posted February 25, 2014 Author Report Posted February 25, 2014 (edited) If trudeau fails to win ,this could be the total end of the liberal party, they have been given a second chance to prove to canadians they are real and do care. But no, they pick a leader hoping canadian will be stupid enough to trust him. They never did learn. Edited February 25, 2014 by PIK Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Boges Posted February 25, 2014 Report Posted February 25, 2014 You mean "former" Liberal...now retired Independent, right? Because we all know there are no Liberals sitting as Senators anymore, with a wave of his magic wand, they all just gave that gig up...'member? Didn't kick em out of the party though. Didn't politely ask them to stop calling themselves "Liberal". Those icky Senators are clearly hurting the brand by doing that. Quote
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