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The court was trying to navigate a fine line. It wanted governments to pay attention to native concerns but it did not want the country to be held hostage by greedy native groups. The requirement to consult was the compromise. Do you really believe that native groups should be able to hold the country hostage?

Kind of like being held hostage by greedy energy companies?

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To be "listened to", native and other local communities would have to be consulted, would they not?

As far as I can tell the people complaining simply want to stop development and do not have any constructive suggestions so they are now claiming there were not consulted because the development is going ahead. IOW - people complaining about not being consulted simply don't understand that consultation does not mean they get to dictate how and where development happens. It means they have an opportunity to provide input that should be listened to if it makes sense. If it does not make sense it will have to be ignored. Edited by TimG
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As far as I can tell the people complaining simply want to stop development and do not have any constructive suggestions so they are now claiming there were not consulted because the development is going ahead. IOW - people complaining about not being consulted simply don't understand that consultation does not mean they get to dictate how and where development happens. It means they have an opportunity to provide input that should be listened to if it makes sense. If it does not make sense it will have to be ignored.

How were they consulted?
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I can't help but wonder how you'd feel if your mayor was bribed to rubber-stamp something you were otherwise following legal channels to oppose.

Isn't that basically the way most of our cities are run? Developers put money into the pockets of the mayor and councillors and then generally get their way, no matter what private citizens want, or what the rules say.

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Isn't that basically the way most of our cities are run? Developers put money into the pockets of the mayor and councillors and then generally get their way, no matter what private citizens want, or what the rules say.

Basically, but the question was how would you feel about it?

I mean, why should back room bribery be any more acceptable than burning cars in terms of getting things done?

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Isn't that basically the way most of our cities are run? Developers put money into the pockets of the mayor and councillors and then generally get their way, no matter what private citizens want, or what the rules say.

Less so all the time, thanks to more active communities willing to take the trouble and risk of protesting.

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First Nations are being used as pawns yet again because FNs can get away with civil disobedience far easier than a bunch of white environmentalists blocking a road. The cost of that entire affair should be levied from the federal transfer payments given to that band IMO. Instead, us working folk fit the bill for this nonsense yet again.

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Because people shouldn't be thrown in jail for burning hundreds of thousands of dollars in public property.

People should be thrown in jail for bribery too.

eyeball said

I mean, why should back room bribery be any more acceptable than burning cars in terms of getting things done?

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cybercoma, on 29 Oct 2013 - 9:10 PM, said:

If they had money, they would be able to game the system in other ways, namely influence peddling and bribery.

Like what?
Oh ... I don't know ... "Don't frack here ... frack waaaay over there $$$$$$"

In the case of First Nations, they could afford to go to court for an injunction to stop exploration.

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